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No, I'm not serious. But if people are so "let's move on" with Greg, what would other teams give up for him?

I'm pretty sure it'd be alot.

I'd say any of the rookies from this year or last year IN ADDITION to any player on most of their rosters would be available for Greg. Yes, I think other teams would still KILL to get him.
 
Right now? We'd probably be lucky to get two second round picks.

I think Greg still has a helluva good chance to end up as a productive or maybe even phenomenal center in the league. But I think what this injury scare does is hopefully check expectations a little bit around here and brings into focus that there are still some really exciting players on this roster and we have a lot to look forward to with or without Greg.
 
No, I'm not serious. But if people are so "let's move on" with Greg, what would other teams give up for him?

I'm pretty sure it'd be alot.

I'd say any of the rookies from this year or last year IN ADDITION to any player on most of their rosters would be available for Greg. Yes, I think other teams would still KILL to get him.


If we are being totally honest, I might be interested in a deal that involved Derek Rose, but I don't see Chicago jumping on that one right now.

You are inflating Oden's trade value right now. KP would be dealing from a terrible position, and I doubt it is even on his radar.

Seriously.
 
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Oden's trade value is about as low as it's going to be right now . . . check that . . . it is the lowest it has been to date. Point is, you won't get much for him right now.

Blazers are going to have to ride Oden out and hope this isn't Bowie all over again.
 
No, I'm not serious. But if people are so "let's move on" with Greg, what would other teams give up for him?

I'm pretty sure it'd be alot.

I'd say any of the rookies from this year or last year IN ADDITION to any player on most of their rosters would be available for Greg. Yes, I think other teams would still KILL to get him.

If other teams would kill to get him I'm not sure why WE would give up on him?
 
exactly. I do not want to give up on him. Which is essentially what Canzano is advocating.

If he's not part of the "big 3", he's expendable. Oden is not expendable. I think good centers are a rarity and am pretty sure that most GMs in the league would rather have Oden over their young superstar (LeBron and probably Bynum excluded)
 
exactly. I do not want to give up on him. Which is essentially what Canzano is advocating.

If he's not part of the "big 3", he's expendable. Oden is not expendable. I think good centers are a rarity and am pretty sure that most GMs in the league would rather have Oden over their young superstar (LeBron and probably Bynum excluded)


I dunnol. Derek Rose is a special talent at PG. I would have to consider that move.
 
Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng for Greg Oden? Watching Oden last night, before he got injured, he looked slower than Aaron Gray. I don't think he'd be fast enough to play with Derrick Rose. I think I'd rather have Tyson Chandler in Chicago than Greg Oden at this point. Rose for Oden trades are a mute point. There is a very small chance that Oden ends up being better than Rose.
 
Kirk Hinrich and Luol Deng for Greg Oden? Watching Oden last night, before he got injured, he looked slower than Aaron Gray. I don't think he'd be fast enough to play with Derrick Rose. I think I'd rather have Tyson Chandler in Chicago than Greg Oden at this point. Rose for Oden trades are a mute point. There is a very small chance that Oden ends up being better than Rose.

Again, big men win championships. Point guards don't. Historically, most champions have an upper echelon big man, and there are only so many of those.

Oden will be fine. You saw 2-3 plays of his before he got injured, he will be back. He'll get stronger. Oden will be good. Long run, he's a franchise player, these injuries do not bother me. The only injury that does is a knee.
 
Again, big men win championships. Point guards don't. Historically, most champions have an upper echelon big man, and there are only so many of those.

Oden will be fine. You saw 2-3 plays of his before he got injured, he will be back. He'll get stronger. Oden will be good. Long run, he's a franchise player, these injuries do not bother me. The only injury that does is a knee.

Superstars win championships. Derrick Rose looks like one of those already. Greg Oden? Nope. He may become one, but he doesn't show signs of being one yet.
 
Hubie called Oden out on the floor last night, "just another guy".

S. Scott just joked that Oden has more MRI's this season than points.

Is it a great day to be a Blazer?
 
I wouldn't advocate trading Oden now, for the simple reason that his value is at rock bottom. That doesn't mean the Blazers shouldn't have a contingency plan for the possibility that he doesn't make a major contribution.

Yes, that means he is NOT part of any "big 3". Roy and LMA are our best players until ON COURT productivity proves otherwise.
 
Hubie called Oden out on the floor last night, "just another guy".

S. Scott just joked that Oden has more MRI's this season than points.

Is it a great day to be a Blazer?

Get bent, and Stuart Scott has as many real eyes as Oden has MRIs this season.

No go talk "soul" like Stuey and act relevant, TROLL.
 
Tyson Chandler his second year in the league, looked like he had the potential to be a superstar. He looked really good offensively, he was so athletic and quick, and with his type of length, he was able to score at ease.

In that year, Chandler was able to get in 23 games of over 30 MPG, before being limited by his injury. In those games, he averaged 13.7 PPG 11.0 RPG 1.8 BPG.

He had some just monster games. 27 points 18 rebounds 2 blocks. 23 points 14 rebounds 3 blocks. 21 points 17 rebounds 7 blocks. 15 points 12 rebounds 6 blocks. 19 points 22 rebounds 3 blocks.

This is a guy who was impressive. This guy looked like he had superstar potential. Oden hasn't even been close to what Chandler was at this age.

Chandler dove over some seats on a hustle play and hurt his back. When Chandler came back, he struggled. He recovered in 2004-2005 to become the Bulls first big man sub off the bench, and made plenty of key stops, but his offense never came back. Then he had another year struggling with health problems and the Bulls traded him. He recovered with the Hornets, and last year was one of the best defensive big men in the league and best alley oop options.

And there is another big difference between Oden and Chandler. Chandler isn't what you identify as "injury prone". Chandler had a freak injury diving for a loose ball out of bounds. He had an esophagus infection in 2005-2006. Greg Oden is injury prone. Wrist at Ohio St., the knee, and now he can't even stay healthy for an entire game in the NBA yet. I remember around draft time, someone was talking about Oden's medical report, and said something like it looked like Oden was a 15 year NBA veteran from his medical records...and then went on to say you still have to draft Oden on his side.

I guess on the brightside for Blazers fans, it doesn't look like Durant will be a Kobe/Lebron/Duncan/Shaq level superstar, so you didn't miss out on a legend of the game by passing on Durant.
 
Tyson Chandler his second year in the league, looked like he had the potential to be a superstar. He looked really good offensively, he was so athletic and quick, and with his type of length, he was able to score at ease.
tyson chandler looked like he could be a superstar to sloth the incredible bulls homer, but not to anyone else.
 
Cool, a guy sprains his foot and now he is worthless.

He is probably reading this board or some other board to see what people are saying about him.

If he is I hope he reads this........

If he had that injury that looked like a sprain to most people and instead had a broken foot and was out for the year THEN I could see the reason to panic.

He is a big dude and rolled his foot in a bad way and he is only out a couple weeks or a bit more. Just like what would have happened to any other player.

THAT is normal. Not injury prone.


The game probably seemed like a blur, it was his first game and the year of rehab must have seemed like it took forever. It seemed that way to me.
 
tyson chandler looked like he could be a superstar to sloth the incredible bulls homer, but not to anyone else.

Another day and another Kevin Garnett trade rumor, this time to the Chicago Bulls. here's the deal: The Timberwolves get Jalen Rose. They like him. They were in preliminary talks with several teams, including the Bulls, in a multiteam deal that would have sent Rose to Minnesota. They also gets Tyson Chandler, who is considered Garnett-like, plus either Jamal Crawford or Jay Williams, Eddie Robinson and some extra like Dalibor Bagaric to satisfy salary-cap requirements.

http://www.benmaller.com/archives/rumorsnotes/2003_04_23_rumorsnotesarch.shtml
 
Other GM's would lowball you guys, exaggerate the risk, emphasize the uncertainty, and then cherish their new acquisition once they traded for him.
 
Other GM's would lowball you guys, exaggerate the risk, emphasize the uncertainty, and then cherish their new acquisition once they traded for him.

I think he's going to be more valuable than most of the offers. Pritch wouldn't even consider it. I still firmly believe Oden - Roy - Aldridge is the cornerstone for championship contention. Nothing has changed. Trading Oden, or "moving on" is foolish.
 
Tyson Chandler his second year in the league, looked like he had the potential to be a superstar. He looked really good offensively, he was so athletic and quick, and with his type of length, he was able to score at ease.

This is a guy who was impressive. This guy looked like he had superstar potential. Oden hasn't even been close to what Chandler was at this age.

I guess on the brightside for Blazers fans, it doesn't look like Durant will be a Kobe/Lebron/Duncan/Shaq level superstar, so you didn't miss out on a legend of the game by passing on Durant.

Superstars win championships. Derrick Rose looks like one of those already. Greg Oden? Nope. He may become one, but he doesn't show signs of being one yet.

Let me just see if I understand you correctly. You say Tyson looked like he had superstar potential his 2nd year in the league, yet that clearly hasn't happened, yet you're willing to claim that Derrick Rose looks like a superstar after he's played in one game... And both Durant and Oden aren't going to be based on their opening poor performances, even though Durant was rookie of the year. Do you not see how hypocritcal you're being?

If you're basing your opinion of Greg solely on last night then you don't really deserve an opinion on the matter since you haven't watched him enough. Most people are going to be bad when they have to play on a sprain. Greg had several instances during the preseason where he showed why he is so highly regarded by those who know what they're talking about. Obviously he's injury prone, and because of that he might never realize his potential, but the talent is there.

The bottom line is it's too early (by years) to come to any conclusion about any of these players reaching superstar status. What a homer.
 
Other GM's would lowball you guys, exaggerate the risk, emphasize the uncertainty, and then cherish their new acquisition once they traded for him.

It'll depend. Some GM might want to take a risk on Oden. It's like the old water balloon toss game. Get $10,000 if you land it, but lose $50 if you miss. The distance is set at 50 feet. You have to throw the waterballoon to your partner form that distance, have him catch it and not pop it. Doable, yes, but a big risk in doing that.
 
Let me just see if I understand you correctly. You say Tyson looked like he had superstar potential his 2nd year in the league, yet that clearly hasn't happened, yet you're willing to claim that Derrick Rose looks like a superstar after he's played in one game... And both Durant and Oden aren't going to be based on their opening poor performances, even though Durant was rookie of the year. Do you not see how hypocritcal you're being?

If you're basing your opinion of Greg solely on last night then you don't really deserve an opinion on the matter since you haven't watched him enough. Most people are going to be bad when they have to play on a sprain. Greg had several instances during the preseason where he showed why he is so highly regarded by those who know what they're talking about. Obviously he's injury prone, and because of that he might never realize his potential, but the talent is there.

The bottom line is it's too early (by years) to come to any conclusion about any of these players reaching superstar status. What a homer.

I had serious doubts about Oden being a superstar at draft time. A year of injuries...and a new year started with more injuries isn't doing much for him to help his case to me. Still possible, but I dont' see him (or Durant, based what I saw last year from him) becoming the elite level superstars. Maybe they become allstar level players. Maybe have an Elton Brand impact for a team, but they look very unlikely to be one of the NBA's elite players.
 
I think he's going to be more valuable than most of the offers. Pritch wouldn't even consider it. I still firmly believe Oden - Roy - Aldridge is the cornerstone for championship contention. Nothing has changed. Trading Oden, or "moving on" is foolish.

So what's your alternative? Should the team (and the fans) just sit on their thumbs and hope Greg someday arrives to save us? Should one guy be allowed to hold the entire franchise hostage?
 
I had serious doubts about Oden being a superstar at draft time. A year of injuries...and a new year started with more injuries isn't doing much for him to help his case to me. Still possible, but I dont' see him (or Durant, based what I saw last year from him) becoming the elite level superstars. Maybe they become allstar level players. Maybe have an Elton Brand impact for a team, but they look very unlikely to be one of the NBA's elite players.

Yeah, you already made your opinion very clear, I guess you completely glossed over everything I said in my previous post..
 
So what's your alternative? Should the team (and the fans) just sit on their thumbs and hope Greg someday arrives to save us? Should one guy be allowed to hold the entire franchise hostage?

He's not holding anyone hostage. Pritch is builidng a good, balanced team. Oden is 20 years old and we have all the flexibility on earth. This team is not centered around Oden, although he has the biggest chance to greatly increase our championship odds.

Tell me how Oden is "holding the entire franchise hostage"? That is bunk.

He's 20 years old on a rookie contract. Legit low post defensive and offensive threat, commands double and triple teams. We don't have to "move on" from Oden. It sucks that he's injured but the things I see are rediculous.
 

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