Trade Trent

[RR7]

 

[wizenheimer]

I really wonder what level of trade value Trent has. On one hand, he certainly can shoot the three-ball and at least offers the potential of a 3&D guy, and that has value. On the other hand, his defense is not close to established and he doesn't offer passing or positional rebounding. He also doesn't dribble-drive

but he has a minimal salary and he's RFA this summer. A team won't know what kind of obligation they are trading for

 

[Natebishop3]

I really wonder what level of trade value Trent has. On one hand, he certainly can shoot the three-ball and at least offers the potential of a 3&D guy, and that has value. On the other hand, his defense is not close to established and he doesn't offer passing or positional rebounding. He also doesn't dribble-drive

but he has a minimal salary and he's RFA this summer. A team won't know what kind of obligation they are trading for

He's young, he's a good shooter, and he presents the illusion of defense. I think he'll get a decent contract. Look at what DJJ got. He can't shoot at all.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The writing had been on the wall for YEARS that LMA was going to bail. It was flat out stupid to not trade him.

OK, is the writing on the wall for Trent?
The speculation is that he wants to start, and get paid starter's $$$.
Is he leaving? Should we trade him?

Isn't he restricted?

 

[Natebishop3]

OK, is the writing on the wall for Trent?
The speculation is that he wants to start, and get paid starter's $$$.
Is he leaving? Should we trade him?

Isn't he restricted?

The writing is on the wall that he's going to get paid. He can't leave. That's not the concern. But do we want to pay him with CJ making 30+ million?

 

[Lanny]

Good grief dude, use your eyeballs and read before you lose your shit over a straw man. I said "I'd love to swing some sort of a package deal that brings back a mid to late 1st for him in this loaded next draft." Whats in that hypothetical package deal was not defined and obviously could vary wildly.

I also made suggestions that the 76ers and Bucks could be motivated trade partners looking to upgrade their title aspirations. Phili is starting 33 year old Danny Green who, besides largely sucking ass this season, is about to be an UFA. Can your logically challenged brain see how they might be interested in holding Trent's Bird rights? The Bucks feature a guard rotation of Jrue Holiday, Donte Divincenzo, DJ Augustin & Bryn Forbes... pretty sure they'd love to add a SG sized sniper to displace some of that dreck. Hell yes they'd plan on resigning him too. Both of those teams are in win now mode. Their incentive in potentially acquiring Trent is obvious... they have a need for wing sized legit outside threats to spread the court in support of their superstar.

STOMP

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush and the NBA draft bears this out. Don't be so fast to get rid of Gary Trent.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I think trents current value around the league is at 15-18 mill a season for four years. He has shown signs of being a potentially elite 3 and D guy which is highly valued in this current nba style. He is still inconsistent, but young. He is known to be a hard worker and a decent bbiq, so i think most believe there is still a good upside with him.

The big question is salary cap concerns vs return vs what NO values.

Cj is part of his core, but trent has proven pivital.

Who do you think will be the better defensive player? Ant or trent? If trent, you pay him aNd trade simons, hood etc.

If Simons, you trade trent. Neither are a point guard. I think the decision is between trent and simons. Not cj and trent.

 

[Orion Bailey]

i didn't do it!

 

[blazerkor]

I think trents current value around the league is at 15-18 mill a season for four years. He has shown signs of being a potentially elite 3 and D guy which is highly valued in this current nba style. He is still inconsistent, but young. He is known to be a hard worker and a decent bbiq, so i think most believe there is still a good upside with him.

The big question is salary cap concerns vs return vs what NO values.

Cj is part of his core, but trent has proven pivital.

Who do you think will be the better defensive player? Ant or trent? If trent, you pay him aNd trade simons, hood etc.

If Simons, you trade trent. Neither are a point guard. I think the decision is between trent and simons. Not cj and trent.

The problem is that if we spend 15M on Trent next season and keep both Dame and CJ then we're committing 90M to our back court. That leaves 40M for the other 11 players before the luxury tax. I don't think that can come close to happening. The question really has to be, when looking at what happens after CJ comes back, is CJ worth 30M on a team that has Trent?

 

[Hoopguru]

The problem is that if we spend 15M on Trent next season and keep both Dame and CJ then we're committing 90M to our back court. That leaves 40M for the other 11 players before the luxury tax. I don't think that can come close to happening. The question really has to be, when looking at what happens after CJ comes back, is CJ worth 30M on a team that has Trent?

Thats very true, but could they decide not to re-sign Nurk when his deals up? If you can get equal value for CJ and it improves the team go for it. But to lose out on a player like Trent, who has the "eye of the tiger" could be a negative?
What id Dame & CJ where to restructure their contracts to improve the team?

 

[wizenheimer]

What id Dame & CJ where to restructure their contracts to improve the team?

CJ won't be able to restructure. That can't happen till after the 3rd anniversary of his extension and he only signed a 3 year deal, and that begins next season

Dame can restructure, but not until 2024-25. However, the CBA prohibits players from re-working their contracts to create more space for the team. A renegotiation can only be for a salary increase

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q59

 

[blazerkor]

Thats very true, but could they decide not to re-sign Nurk when his deals up? If you can get equal value for CJ and it improves the team go for it. But to lose out on a player like Trent, who has the "eye of the tiger" could be a negative?
What id Dame & CJ where to restructure their contracts to improve the team?

I agree that we can't let Trent walk but I've been so solidly in the trade CJ camp for years now that my opinion doesn't hold a lot of weight around here. As far as NBA players restructuring their contracts, that's without precedent and the NBAPA that CJ is VP of would go ape shit because then teams would ask that a lot like they do in the NFL. No player should give up guaranteed money with this labor situation. Nurk still has a year left on his deal and that year is at 12M. In fact if DJ opts in and we get Gary at 15M we will be at 134M with 5 roster spots open... and that means letting Collins walk, cutting Hood and letting Kanter walk. If we keep those guys (assuming Kanter will stay for 5M and Zach takes his QO) we're 157M with two roster spots left. If they're both minimum contracts and one of them is Melo then we're at 160M.

Looking at this season because the cap isn't likely to go up more than two million dollars that will give us the third highest payroll in the league for a team that the don't fire Stotts crowd says isn't fair to expect a coach to compete for a championship with. That hardly screams the fiscal responsibility that the team seems to be committed to lately.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Thats very true, but could they decide not to re-sign Nurk when his deals up? If you can get equal value for CJ and it improves the team go for it. But to lose out on a player like Trent, who has the "eye of the tiger" could be a negative?
What id Dame & CJ where to restructure their contracts to improve the team?

i said if they wanted to win and wanted whats best for the team they should have taken less and not maxed out.
I was laughed and mocked at. Lol.

 

[wizenheimer]

the big issue in re-signing Trent would be the repeater tax. But that threat would be down the road a ways, assuming Portland stays out of the tax this season

the CBA repeater rule is that a team pays repeater tax if it was a taxpayer in 3 of the 4 previous seasons. Portland's current calendar:

2017-18: no tax (Blazers were $735 dollars under...yes, $735)
2018-19: paid tax
2019-20: paid tax
2020-21: no tax (assumption)

so then, for next season, those 4 seasons right there would be the repeater gauge, and even if Portland was over the tax line next season, they wouldn't pay repeater tax. But the following season, they'd be liable for repeater if they were taxpayers again. But they would have till the trade deadline in 2022-23 to reduce payroll enough to dodge the tax

so Portland does have major incentive to stay under the tax line this season. I'm pretty sure they will do that, just so they have that extra year's margin

of course, it could be that Olshey has orders out of Seattle to stay out of the tax altogether. That wouldn't surprise me at all. If that's true, there could be some hard choices in the GM's office because over the next 15 months because all of these players will be signing new contracts somewhere: Nurkic, Covington, Hood, Jones, Zach, Kanter, Simons, Trent, Melo, and Giles. 10 players. This summer it could be that Hood, Jones, Zach, Trent, Melo, and Giles are all free agents. And if there is a no-tax edict out of Seattle, it will be a scramble

 

[James lamphear]

More likely Olshey will trade Trent that's his past history with all his 2nd rounders. If Hood don't get together here soon I think he will be gone too.