Trades before July 1st, 2011

[magnifier661]

So give your best deal possible...

Mine is (And it's a lot to give up):

Portland trades: Andre Miller and N. Batum

Washington trades: JaVale McGee and John Wall

Hollinger has us losing 5 games with this deal.

Here is John Wall's numbers:

PPG: 16.4, APG: 8.3, RPG: 4.6, SPG: 1.8

Here is JaVale McGee's numbers:

PPG: 10, RPG: 8, BPG: 2.4 FG%: 55% (minutes averaged 27 per game)

The reason why I like this is because McGee is CJ on steriods. 27 minutes is a perfect rotation between Camby, Oden, LMA. I even look at McGee as a younger Camby type player. He definitely has the attitude to bring in more toughness to this ball club.

John Wall is the curious thing. He is a scoring point, but not a very good shooter. Basically a quicker version of Miller. Sucks from 3, and shoots a dismal 40% from the floor.

Thoughts????

 

[Wheels]

Washington says no

 

[magnifier661]

Washington says no

Yeah McGee is a game changer. Doubt Washington does it.

 

[Wheels]

hee hee

 

[magnifier661]

What about Batum and Johnson for McGee? Anyone? Anyone?

 

[Rhal]

Any deal with Washington including john wall would have to include a superstar for them to think about trading him.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Maybe trading Oden and Nic gets it done in the eyes of Washington.

 

[magnifier661]

Any deal with Washington including john wall would have to include a superstar for them to think about trading him.

I don't even want Wall. I actually wanted McGee. What about just Batum and Johnson for McGee like I mentioned above.

 

[RR7]

Alright, I got a ridiculous one for you.

Portland - Milwaukee


Portland In: Andrew Bogut, Brandon Jennings, John Salmons, Drew Gooden, Keyon Dooling Jon Brockman
Portland Out: Marcus Camby, Andre Miller, Nicolas batum, Rudy fernandez, Luke Babbitt

Jennings/Dooling/Armon(sign a backup PG in free agency)
Matthews/Roy/Salmons/Williams
Wallace/Salmons
Aldridge/Gooden
Bogut/Oden/Chris johnson

Why? Blazers take on a TON of future salary. Add experienced players, but also add younger guys, in Jennings and Bogut.

For Milwaukee, the outgoing players combined have over 100 million dollars in salary owed to them over the next 4 year. Incoming is under 30, and Miller could be waived, to make it roughly 22 or so. Could go lower if Rudy decides to leave for Europe. And, even lower if Camby retires. I doubt they'd do it, even with the huge financial savings, because they would have nothing to build around. May e take Knight or Walker with their pick, and a core of Knight/Batum/Sanders. It's ugly for them, so most likely a no. But they get out of those salaries they just doled out, which were terrible.

 

[magnifier661]

Alright, I got a ridiculous one for you.

Portland - Milwaukee


Portland In: Andrew Bogut, Brandon Jennings, John Salmons, Drew Gooden, Keyon Dooling Jon Brockman
Portland Out: Marcus Camby, Andre Miller, Nicolas batum, Rudy fernandez, Luke Babbitt

Jennings/Dooling/Armon(sign a backup PG in free agency)
Matthews/Roy/Salmons/Williams
Wallace/Salmons
Aldridge/Gooden
Bogut/Oden/Chris johnson

Why? Blazers take on a TON of future salary. Add experienced players, but also add younger guys, in Jennings and Bogut.

For Milwaukee, the outgoing players combined have over 100 million dollars in salary owed to them over the next 4 year. Incoming is under 30, and Miller could be waived, to make it roughly 22 or so. Could go lower if Rudy decides to leave for Europe. And, even lower if Camby retires. I doubt they'd do it, even with the huge financial savings, because they would have nothing to build around. May e take Knight or Walker with their pick, and a core of Knight/Batum/Sanders. It's ugly for them, so most likely a no. But they get out of those salaries they just doled out, which were terrible.

I just don't see this happening. I don't think I've ever seen any deal with that many key pieces in the mix. The last one that was off the top was Williams, Cato, and a few other players for Pippen. That took a lot of players from Portland just to get it done. We didn't trade that many just to do it, nor did Houston really want them. Just had to make salaries match.

This deal is basically trading away Mil's starting line-up. And you are right about the "rebuilding" after the fact. I doubt Miller stays in that situation, nor Fernandez for that matter. Camby is a sure retirement too. Too big of a risk for the Bucks, IMO.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Miller's not tradeable, because his contract has the potential to end this summer. Only players whose contracts are guaranteed past July 1st can be traded before then.

 

[e_blazer]

Miller's not tradeable, because his contract has the potential to end this summer. Only players whose contracts are guaranteed past July 1st can be traded before then.

I believe that if the Blazers pick up the option, then he can be traded.

 

[RR7]

Miller's not tradeable, because his contract has the potential to end this summer. Only players whose contracts are guaranteed past July 1st can be traded before then.

That's only if it is an option. If it is just unguaranteed, he can be traded. His contract, from what i can tell, is similar to Dampier's from last season. They traded him to Charlotte, and then Charlotte elected to cut him. Miller is unguaranteed if waived before a certain date.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

That's only if it is an option. If it is just unguaranteed, he can be traded. His contract, from what i can tell, is similar to Dampier's from last season. They traded him to Charlotte, and then Charlotte elected to cut him. Miller is unguaranteed if waived before a certain date.

Gotcha--didn't realize the distinction. Just double-checked it on storytellers site and it appears you're absolutely correct. That's a fascinating loophole. I wonder if the league will let that continue to exist when/if the new CBA is settled.

 

[Blaze01]

You couldn't even get Wall for Batum & Miller....

Maybe for Aldridge? But do you want to do that?

 

[magnifier661]

You couldn't even get Wall for Batum & Miller....

Maybe for Aldridge? But do you want to do that?

Yeah forget about Wall. What about just getting McGee?

 

[KevinJBonn]

I'm not too hip on trading Batum. It isn't that I think he's jesus or something like that, it's a depth thing. Gerry is notoriously injury prone, and I think we were lucky we didn't have to see that this past season. If he goes down with another collapsed lung or something and Batum is gone, then what? Our starting SF is Rudy? Luke Babbit? It gives me a heart attack just thinking about it.

 

[B-Roy]

Yeah forget about Wall. What about just getting McGee?

Wall is a throw in, we could leave him out.

 

[Blazinaway]

Come on Mags, at least try to be realistic, your opening post trade is a joke and totally a homer trade - I know you can do better. Was it meant to be a joke?

 

[magnifier661]

Come on Mags, at least try to be realistic, your opening post trade is a joke and totally a homer trade - I know you can do better. Was it meant to be a joke?

LOL you're right about Wall. Honestly, I'm no fan of him but everyone else is. So forget Wall is even in the mix.

 

[PapaG]

Gotcha--didn't realize the distinction. Just double-checked it on storytellers site and it appears you're absolutely correct. That's a fascinating loophole. I wonder if the league will let that continue to exist when/if the new CBA is settled.

Didn't Portland do the exact same thing with Ryan Gomes last summer? Traded for him during the draft, then waive him?

 

[magnifier661]

3 team deal:

Portland trades: Camby, R. Fern, and Batum

Denver trades: Nene, Felton and Anderson

Washington trades: McGee and Lewis

Portland gets: McGee, Anderson and Felton

Washington gets: Nene and Fernandez

Denver gets: Camby, Batum and Lewis

Portland player rotation: PG: Miller, Felton : SG: Matthews, Roy : SF: Wallace, Roy, Anderson : PF: Aldridge, Anderson, McGee, and Wallace : Center: McGee, Oden, LMA.

This maybe a very homer. So don't shoot me.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Didn't Portland do the exact same thing with Ryan Gomes last summer? Traded for him during the draft, then waive him?

I thought Gomes' contract was partially guaranteed (for like $1m or so).

 

[magnifier661]

Or you could swap McGee with Denver. Basically giving Denver McGee and we would have Nene.

 

[PapaG]

I thought Gomes' contract was partially guaranteed (for like $1m or so).

Here is a link that explains it. I didn't know that Gomes had 3 more years on his deal.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/blazers/2010/06/waiving_goodbye_to_ryan_gomes.html

 

[RR7]

I thought Gomes' contract was partially guaranteed (for like $1m or so).

Correct, but still a similar situation. Dampier is the other one from last season that was the same.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

since we're talking about Washington and maybe looking for a young PG, here is a couple ideas:

We give them Camby, Miller , Elliot Williams, Batum and Armon Johnson.

We get back Rashard Lewis, Ja Vale Mc Gee and the draft rights to Brandon Knight. Since this is a big money saving deal for them, they don't exercise Miller's contract and we sign him back. We don't make the trade if Knight is not available when they pick.

For Portland they are basically giving up Batum for a great young center and for hopefully the PGOTF. It will cost them a lot of money. It makes them younger and more athletic and maybe lewis can still shoot threes (he has shot .390 for his career though he had a bad year last year).

For Washington it saves them a ton of money and they get Batum; Mc Gee might be expendable with young Seraphim ready to take over, these guys are somewhat similar, athletic defenders with not much offense.

If Portland doesn't think Knight could be another Russel Westbrook, they probably don't make the trade.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

OK, here's another trade with Washington if Portland is interested in Brandon Knight:

Camby and Miller for Lewis and Seraphim and rights to Knight (if available). Again try to get Miller back. Again this makes us younger and more athletic and maybe adds shooting with Lewis.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Wishful thinking is wishful.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Wishful thinking is wishful.

I don't know if you are referring to my ideas or not; but Washington saves at least 31 million dollars on the first trade and 38 million dollars on the 2nd trade, that is not chickenfeed. I still think we have one of the few owners who might be willing to do a trade like this. Lewis had a really bad year and I think they would be glad to get rid of him at almost any cost. We could certainly throw our pick in there too.

If you think these trades are wishful thinking then you must value Knight really highly; would you be willing to do the first trade but take back Seraphim instead of McGee? I don't think I would.