Notice Trading Batum makes sense

[blue9]

In G1 of the Finals SVG said something that I think bears repeating: [paraphrasing] Everybody says if these guys could just be more consistent... But that's the thing, that's what makes guys like LBJ special. They're consistent. If you could be consistent you'd by like them, but you can't.

So when you're bagging on Nic for not being consistent, you're bagging on him for not being LBJ. Because if he was able to play at his best every single night, that's exactly the type of player he'd be. We should be blessed that we have a player like that as our "glue guy" and 4th/5th offensive option.

 

[BonesJones]

In G1 of the Finals SVG said something that I think bears repeating: [paraphrasing] Everybody says if these guys could just be more consistent... But that's the thing, that's what makes guys like LBJ special. They're consistent. If you could be consistent you'd by like them, but you can't.

So when you're bagging on Nic for not being consistent, you're bagging on him for not being LBJ. Because if he was able to play at his best every single night, that's exactly the type of player he'd be. We should be blessed that we have a player like that as our "glue guy" and 4th/5th offensive option.

When was the last time Batum had 25 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists in a game??? That's what Lebron AVERAGES, and Nic has had maybe 1 or 2 better games in his career...So no, if Batum was as consistent as Lebron, he still wouldn't be Lebron. That's like saying if I had Kyrie's handles, that I'd be as good as Kyrie. That is such a far stretch.
You essentially assume that consistency is all that matters. So you're saying to disregard the fact that Lebron is so much more talented than Batum, because the only reason Batum is worse because he's not as consistent... hah
Nic is one of the most inconsistent players in the league.. that's why people want him gone, because if it was ever going to change, it would've changed by now

 

[riverman]

When was the last time Batum had 25 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists in a game??? That's what Lebron AVERAGES, and Nic has had maybe 1 or 2 better games in his career...So no, if Batum was as consistent as Lebron, he still wouldn't be Lebron. That's like dating if I had Kyrie's hsndles, that I'd be as good as Kyrie. That is such a far stretch.
You essentially assume that consistency is all that matters. So you're saying to disregard the fact that Lebron is so much more talented than Batum, because the only reason Batum is worse because he's not as consistent... hah
Nic is one of the most inconsistent players in the league.. that's why people want him gone, because if it was ever going to change, it would've changed by now

dating if you had Kyrie's handles? wow dude..what are you talking about?

 

[BonesJones]

Looking at the small school players - This year I've got Cameron Payne rated #4. He's from Murry State. That's quite a bit higher than most boards show him. Tyler Harvey from Eastern Washington is rated higher than most boards show him coming in at #27.

Here are Warren Gillis' numbers: Coastal Carolina, 6'3", 13.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 3.2 apg, 0.1 bpg, 1.4 spg, 2.2 fpg, 2.6 tpg, 43.7% fg, 30.6% 3pt. The main goal of my rating system is a predictor of NBA success. Is a BdB score of 6.0 too low? Perhaps. But I give it pretty long odds that he plays a game in the NBA. Stranger things have happened though I guess.

You've hit a key component of any rating system. Comparing a Duke player to a Coastal Carolina player. A rebound at one school isn't equal to a rebound at another school. Rating players from small schools is hit-and-miss. Lillard was a bit of an exception as far as small school success. I certainly liked him going into the draft, and this version of my rating system only had him at #10. Being a Blazer fan, I'm certainly glad he proved that to be too low.

dating if you had Kyrie's handles? wow dude..what are you talking about?

*saying. My phone loves to say random shit haha. I'm sure you could've figured it out. Then again with my smile and Kyrie's handles, I'd be dating dimepieces
...So I guess I see your confusion.

 

[blue9]

When was the last time Batum had 25 points, 7 rebounds, and 6 assists in a game??? That's what Lebron AVERAGES, and Nic has had maybe 1 or 2 better games in his career...So no, if Batum was as consistent as Lebron, he still wouldn't be Lebron. That's like saying if I had Kyrie's handles, that I'd be as good as Kyrie. That is such a far stretch.
You essentially assume that consistency is all that matters. So you're saying to disregard the fact that Lebron is so much more talented than Batum, because the only reason Batum is worse because he's not as consistent... hah
Nic is one of the most inconsistent players in the league.. that's why people want him gone, because if it was ever going to change, it would've changed by now

Wow, the point of SVG's statement went completely over your head.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Nic is one of the most inconsistent players in the league.. that's why people want him gone, because if it was ever going to change, it would've changed by now

This is a verifiable statement. What are the variances (or stdevs) in his points, rebounds, and assists? What are those numbers for all small forwards, what's league average? I'd actually like to know. Anyone?

 

[dviss1]

Well DeAndre Jordan can dunk from 10 feet so....

You're not making sense....

 

[blue9]

This is a verifiable statement. What are the variances (or stdevs) in his points, rebounds, and assists? What are those numbers for all small forwards, what's league average? I'd actually like to know. Anyone?

I don't know the answer to those questions, but...

In looking just at FG% Nic is no worse than our #1 offensive option. (Of course I'm using Nic's 13/14 season, because there's no getting around just how bad he was this year - which I believe to be an anomaly until it becomes more.)

During the 13/14 season Nic’s FG% breaks out in the following manner:

Great – 14.63% (12 games)
Good – 31.71% (26 games)
Average – 28.05% (23 games)
Bad – 15.85% (13 games)
Terrible – 9.76% (8 games)

I’ve defined these categories in simple 10% blocks:

Great = 60%+
Good = 50-59.9%
Average = 40-49.9%
Bad = 30-39.9%
Terrible = <30%

Using the same criteria (ignoring the fact that PFs should have a higher FG% than wings), LMA’s FG% this past season breaks out as follows:

Great – 15.49% (11 games)
Good – 29.58% (21 games)
Average – 25.35% (18 games)
Bad – 25.35% (18 games)
Terrible – 4.23% (3 games)

For every great game LMA has 2 bad/terrible games, and for every good game he has an average game. This is our #1 scoring option. And yet Nic – our 4th/5th scoring option – is the one who is labeled as the problem despite having nearly identical swings in FG% as our “best” player.

 

[dviss1]

Why do you hate Noah??? And yesterday weren't you hating on Paul Pierce? Haha

He doesn't like Noah's hair... And Paul Pierce is a certifiable asshole. Not a nice guy at all.

 

[BlazerWookee]

He doesn't like Noah's hair... And Paul Pierce is a certifiable asshole. Not a nice guy at all.

It's not about his hair. It's about him being a douche nozzle. I didn't think it possible, but he's an even bigger douche than his father...

 

[dviss1]

It's not about his hair. It's about him being a douche nozzle. I didn't think it possible, but he's an even bigger douche than his father...

I'm sorry, I've been to Cleveland and this shit is HILARIOUS:

 

[dviss1]

1.) They're looking to change it
2.) If they pull that cap you just put in Meyers

Everybody loved T-Rob. All he did was dunk, rebound, and brick free throws...

They aren't changing it nor should they, Hit your goddamn freethrows. You see they don't hack a Griffin anymore.

 

[riverman]

I'm sorry, I've been to Cleveland and this shit is HILARIOUS:

So you are the one person who went on vacation to Cleveland?

 

[dviss1]

So you are the one person who went on vacation to Cleveland?

Lol no! Haha! On business.

 

[BonesJones]

They aren't changing it nor should they, Hit your goddamn freethrows. You see they don't hack a Griffin anymore.

they said they won't right after I posted..

 

[BonesJones]

I don't know the answer to those questions, but...

In looking just at FG% Nic is no worse than our #1 offensive option. (Of course I'm using Nic's 13/14 season, because there's no getting around just how bad he was this year - which I believe to be an anomaly until it becomes more.)

During the 13/14 season Nic’s FG% breaks out in the following manner:

Great – 14.63% (12 games)
Good – 31.71% (26 games)
Average – 28.05% (23 games)
Bad – 15.85% (13 games)
Terrible – 9.76% (8 games)

I’ve defined these categories in simple 10% blocks:

Great = 60%+
Good = 50-59.9%
Average = 40-49.9%
Bad = 30-39.9%
Terrible = <30%

Using the same criteria (ignoring the fact that PFs should have a higher FG% than wings), LMA’s FG% this past season breaks out as follows:

Great – 15.49% (11 games)
Good – 29.58% (21 games)
Average – 25.35% (18 games)
Bad – 25.35% (18 games)
Terrible – 4.23% (3 games)

For every great game LMA has 2 bad/terrible games, and for every good game he has an average game. This is our #1 scoring option. And yet Nic – our 4th/5th scoring option – is the one who is labeled as the problem despite having nearly identical swings in FG% as our “best” player.

the fact is nobody pays attention to Nic.. while Aldridge is #1 on the scouting report. Theres so much more that goes into it than FG%.

 

[BonesJones]

You're not making sense....

you're talking about getting a center that can make shots from 10 feet... DeAndre's athletic enough that he's dunking from there

 

[blue9]

the fact is nobody pays attention to Nic.. while Aldridge is #1 on the scouting report. Theres so much more that goes into it than FG%.

The fact is, nobody pays attention to LMA unless he's within 15' of the hoop - which is seldom. Teams double Lillard and let LMA have WIDE OPEN jumpers from 18' every single time we run the pick/pop.
And the fact remains that LMA's no more consistent than Nic when it comes to shooting the ball - one great game, two bad games.
Yes, there's A LOT more to basketball than FG%. But it seems most people peg Nic as "inconsistent" when it comes to scoring, yet he's no more inconsistent at it than LMA.

 

[BBert]

The fact is, nobody pays attention to LMA unless he's within 15' of the hoop - which is seldom. Teams double Lillard and let LMA have WIDE OPEN jumpers from 18' every single time we run the pick/pop.
And the fact remains that LMA's no more consistent than Nic when it comes to shooting the ball - one great game, two bad games.
Yes, there's A LOT more to basketball than FG%. But it seems most people peg Nic as "inconsistent" when it comes to scoring, yet he's no more inconsistent at it than LMA.

And Batum provides a lot more than (inconsistent) scoring. Just as there is more to the game than FG%, there is more to team basketball than who takes, and makes, the shots.

 

[BlazerWookee]

We don't need consistent stat lines from Nic. We need consistent effort, and consistent adjustments to his focus depending on what's going on in the game. He's a fill-in-the-cracks guy, and he's really good at it.

 

[BBert]

We don't need consistent stat lines from Nic. We need consistent effort, and consistent adjustments to his focus depending on what's going on in the game. He's a fill-in-the-cracks guy, and he's really good at it.

I just hope he does get healed and rested this summer. I believe it will make a world of difference.

 

[BonesJones]

We don't need consistent stat lines from Nic. We need consistent effort, and consistent adjustments to his focus depending on what's going on in the game. He's a fill-in-the-cracks guy, and he's really good at it.

Spot on.. the thing is is his rebound and assist stats somewhat inflate his value. He never gets the boards that matter, the contested ones in traffic. His assists aren't because of him creating something, they're off set plays and basic pick n rolls which he dumps off a basic bounce pass to a center that scores (sometimes when he could've gotten a better shot himself). Yes he can pass the ball well, but it's not like he puts pressure on the defense and is much of a threat. FG% wise, Batum passes up good shots a lot of the time. Often he can drive in for a layin but dumps it off for a harder shot from someone else. There are many times where he only shoots when he's completely wide open or has a completely wide open dunk. Yes this will make his FG% look good, but is it really better for the team as a whole?

 

[BonesJones]

I just hope he does get healed and rested this summer. I believe it will make a world of difference.

that's like Lebron passing up an NBA season to get rested for the FIBA world championships... Batum's season is in the summer, the NBA is just his paycheck..

 

[BlazerWookee]

Spot on.. the thing is is his rebound and assist stats somewhat inflate his value. He never gets the boards that matter, the contested ones in traffic. His assists aren't because of him creating something, they're off set plays and basic pick n rolls which he dumps off a basic bounce pass to a center that scores (sometimes when he could've gotten a better shot himself). Yes he can pass the ball well, but it's not like he puts pressure on the defense and is much of a threat. FG% wise, Batum passes up good shots a lot of the time. Often he can drive in for a layin but dumps it off for a harder shot from someone else. There are many times where he only shoots when he's completely wide open or has a completely wide open dunk. Yes this will make his FG% look good, but is it really better for the team as a whole?

So... you say I was spot on, but then say exactly the opposite of the point I was trying (and obviously failed) to make? I'm saying we do get consistent effort from him, and even when his numbers look measly, his efforts pay of in the players around him being more effective while he's on the floor.

 

[blue9]

So... you say I was spot on, but then say exactly the opposite of the point I was trying (and obviously failed) to make? I'm saying we do get consistent effort from him, and even when his numbers look measly, his efforts pay of in the players around him being more effective while he's on the floor.

Don't worry - he didn't understand the point SVG was trying to make that I (poorly?) paraphrased.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I've been to Cleveland on vacation.

 

[BonesJones]

"We need consistent effort, and consistent adjustments to his focus depending on what's going on in the game." That is what we need from him... that's what I was agreeing with, and we never get that from him, I guess that's where we disagree

 

[BonesJones]

"So when you're bagging on Nic for not being consistent, you're bagging on him for not being LBJ. Because if he was able to play at his best every single night, that's exactly the type of player he'd be."

How am I missing the point? That's completely wrong. Even if Nic played his best consistently he wouldn't be an LBJ type player. An LBJ type player is a superstar, and Nic doesnt have the talent to be that type of player.

I think I understand the comparison in terms of playing style, but that's still wrong. Lebron always puts pressure on the defense when he has the ball. He can attack the rim and create for himself and others. Nic doesn't attack, that's the problem I have with him. On his best day he's a guy who can hit a couple 3s, make solid passes and defend 3 positions at an above-average level.. the problem is that that doesn't happen enough