Trading CJ should be #1 on Blazers agenda...

[Reep]

Here is the biggest problem I'm having with trading CJ--who for? I did a quick search of guards with six seasons or less, who are 6'4" or taller, with defensive ratings (I know it isn't perfect, but it does provide information) below 110 with 3pt% 33 or above (for the last two seasons). Here is the list:

Player
1 Victor Oladipo
2 Klay Thompson
3 Tyler Johnson
4 Josh Richardson
5 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
6 Delon Wright
7 Tyler Johnson
8 Victor Oladipo
9 Josh Hart
10 Rodney Hood
11 Jerian Grant
12 Kent Bazemore
13 Josh Richardson
14 Kent Bazemore
15 Patrick McCaw
16 Dion Waiters
17 Justin Anderson
18 Delon Wright
19 Reggie Bullock
20 Alec Burks
Rk Player
21 Kris Dunn
22 JaKarr Sampson
23 Denzel Valentine
24 DeAndre Liggins
25 Derrick White
26 Wade Baldwin
27 Jabari Bird
28 Nicolas Laprovittola
29 Daniel Hamilton
30 Antonius Cleveland
31 Dejounte Murray

Who is really obtainable on that list? Hood, maybe, but would we trade with Utah? Doubtful. Bazemore has been brought up before. We already have Baldwin.

 

[tester551]

If you define stink as did we win or not then yes we stank but if you judge by how well we played then the worst you can say is that we didn't play our best.

You know, when we were winning nobody ragged on our team. You get a little down and the boo birds come out of the woodwork.

How about if you consider Portland never had a lead larger than 10 pts?
How about if you consider that Portland only had a lead for approximately 20-minutes (10%) out of the 192-minutes the series? It was never close.

Portland didn't play their best... but what CAUSED that? The physicality and intensity of the Pels. Stott's teams are soft, and they are going to remain soft as long as he's at the helm.

 

[Reep]

No, our plans for next year are to improve the bulk of our second youngest team in the NBA.

Which doesn't apply when you average the ages of the rotation players and leave the end of the bench out. Nurk is our only youngish starter and Collins off the bench. The rest are in their prime.

 

[Reep]

For those who want to trade CJ, who do you realistically want in return? I'm kind of stuck.

 

[craigehlo]

For those who want to trade CJ, who do you realistically want in return? I'm kind of stuck.

If the price for Kawhi is CJ and Zach, it's fine with me.

 

[rotary111]

Tyreke Evans if he is obtainable would be a great fit.

 

[Reep]

If the price for Kawhi is CJ and Zach, it's fine with me.

You might have provided the solution there. Don't replace him with another guard, but with a high end forward. Let ET or Baldwin try out the guard spot. I still can't find a youngish guard who would be realistic in return for CJ.

 

[TBpup]

No, our plans for next year are to improve the bulk of our second youngest team in the NBA.

Which doesn't apply when you average the ages of the rotation players and leave the end of the bench out. Nurk is our only youngish starter and Collins off the bench. The rest are in their prime.

Of their two best players in the series, Davis is 25 and Holiday 27. Portland's two best players are 27 and 26. Their two dominated our two....and are a bit younger. The rest are support players and I really don't care if one player here or there is 1 or 2 years younger than another. Zach is the outlier but one smaller minute role player wasn't making the difference.

Portland's oldest player on the roster is Turner at 29. New Orlean's oldest player is Okafor who played a grand total of 4 minutes in the entire series....yet his age skews the age to make New Orleans an 'older team. Similar is Liggins who is 30 and rarely plays much.

 

[Pinwheel1]

They just need guys to hit shots around them to spread the floor. It's going to be so much harder to replace Dame, CJ, Stotts, or Olshey than bring in some 3&D wings.

This is true but I think we need more. Harkless is a decent 3 & D wing, but to keep teams in the playoffs from pressuring our guards, that 3&D guy needs some handles as well.

N.O has 3 guys plus AD who are all decent ball handlers. GS starts 4 as well. We often only have 2.
I am not sure just a 3 &D guys is enough.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

CJ as the primary option could vault his production into James Harden-esque rise IMO - w/o the PG caliber passing of course.

I'd do it if we can land Doncic.

 

[Reep]

CJ as the primary option could vault his production into James Harden-esque rise IMO - w/o the PG caliber passing of course.

I'd do it if we can land Doncic.

And--I can't believe I'm saying this--without the defensive chops. CJ scores. That's it. He doesn't distribute and he doesn't defend or rebound well.

 

[Mediocre Man]

For those who want to trade CJ, who do you realistically want in return? I'm kind of stuck.

This is where I am slso. I'm all for trading him, but for who?

 

[Sarni]

Here is the biggest problem I'm having with trading CJ--who for? I did a quick search of guards with six seasons or less, who are 6'4" or taller, with defensive ratings (I know it isn't perfect, but it does provide information) below 110 with 3pt% 33 or above (for the last two seasons). Here is the list:


Who is really obtainable on that list? Hood, maybe, but would we trade with Utah? Doubtful. Bazemore has been brought up before. We already have Baldwin.

Hood hasn’t been with Utah for a few months and he will be available in the Sunmer as a FA. He’s also not very good.

I agree that there’s not an obvious trade to make.

 

[e_blazer]

This is where I am slso. I'm all for trading him, but for who?

The problem with most trade ideas that get posted here is that they usually start from the standpoint of “I want to get rid of Player X, who can we trade him for”. I think most NBA trades that take place start the other way around: “We want to get Player Y, what package can we put together that would interest the other team?”

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Here is the biggest problem I'm having with trading CJ--who for? I did a quick search of guards with six seasons or less, who are 6'4" or taller, with defensive ratings (I know it isn't perfect, but it does provide information) below 110 with 3pt% 33 or above (for the last two seasons). Here is the list:


Who is really obtainable on that list? Hood, maybe, but would we trade with Utah? Doubtful. Bazemore has been brought up before. We already have Baldwin.

Good job putting that list up. Is Josh Hart any good? Seems like he would be attainable. Trade our TPE for Channing Frye to help clear space for the Lakers. Trade them Turner for Deng and Hart; they would save another 1.5 million and have a younger more useful player for the same bad contract.
Of course Caldwell-Pope would be a better get, he is a free agent, right?. I know it seems teams don't do sign and trades anymore but if Pope for some strange reason wanted to go to Portland, CJ for him and the TPE for Frye.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The problem with most trade ideas that get posted here is that they usually start from the standpoint of “I want to get rid of Player X, who can we trade him for”. I think most NBA trades that take place start the other way around: “We want to get Player Y, what package can we put together that would interest the other team?”

Ive said multiple times thats how i look at it. Only way to do it

 

[CupWizier]

The problem with most trade ideas that get posted here is that they usually start from the standpoint of “I want to get rid of Player X, who can we trade him for”. I think most NBA trades that take place start the other way around: “We want to get Player Y, what package can we put together that would interest the other team?”

Exactly. Target a player or players and then see what it will take to acquire them and then a decision can be made.

 

[Sarni]

Good job putting that list up. Is Josh Hart any good? Seems like he would be attainable. Trade our TPE for Channing Frye to help clear space for the Lakers. Trade them Turner for Deng and Hart; they would save another 1.5 million and have a younger more useful player for the same bad contract.
Of course Caldwell-Pope would be a better get, he is a free agent, right?. I know it seems teams don't do sign and trades anymore but if Pope for some strange reason wanted to go to Portland, CJ for him and the TPE for Frye.

CJ is much better than KCP.

 

[Reep]

Ok, I want Klay Thompson. How do I get him?

Start feeding in his mind that he's a max player and that GS won't pay him what he's worth? Also, he wouldn't have to be third wheel?

I know we aren't getting Klay, but someone like him is exactly what we need. I would pay ET another $1M if he could spend all summer getting proficient from three. He has the rest of the tools.

 

[blue9]

For those who want to trade CJ, who do you realistically want in return? I'm kind of stuck.

EXACTLY! I'm glad more and more people are seeing the issue here. Unlike years back when everyone wanted to trade Nic, despite it posing exactly the same issue (nobody better available). Hopefully we learned our lesson?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

CJ/Collins for Kawhi/Pau
AFA/Mo/Caleb for Love
TPE for Lee
Re-sign Nurkic/Davis

Dame/Baldwin
Lee/Turner
Kawhi/Turner
Love/Davis
Nurkic/Pau

Lotta luxury tax, but that'd be a fun roster.

 

[e_blazer]

CJ/Collins for Kawhi/Pau
AFA/Mo/Caleb for Love
TPE for Lee
Re-sign Nurkic/Davis

Dame/Baldwin
Lee/Turner
Kawhi/Turner
Love/Davis
Nurkic/Pau

Lotta luxury tax, but that'd be a fun roster.

If you could pull that off, NO would be looking for a job parking cars.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you could pull that off, NO would be looking for a job parking cars.

Oh yeah, if GMing were as easy as some of us trade-machine junkies suggest, they wouldn't be getting paid what they do. Still, a guy can dream, right? And honestly, none of those are really all that far-fetched, are they?

 

[Reep]

Oh yeah, if GMing were as easy as some of us trade-machine junkies suggest, they wouldn't be getting paid what they do. Still, a guy can dream, right? And honestly, none of those are really all that far-fetched, are they?

None of them are totally outrageous. You have to believe that SA wants to really rebuild if they toss in Gasol. I struggle a bit with Cleveland trading an all-star for three non-all-star forwards. CJ is your primary chip. He might get you in the door for Leonard or Love, but not both. Might be better to split up your two best chips (CJ and Collins) and have one going to SA and the other going to Cleveland.

For some reason I could see SA more interested in Collins and Harkless/Aminu rather than CJ. CJ would be more interesting to Cleveland.

 

[Reep]

Collins/Aminu/Leonard(SA has turned a lot of castoffs into good players)/2018 POR 1st round pick for Kawhi
CJ for Love
TPE for Lee
Re-sign Nurkic/Davis

Dame/Baldwin
Lee/Turner
Kawhi/Turner
Love/Davis/Swanigan
Nurkic/Davis/Love/Big Dude we brought in

 

[PtldPlatypus]

None of them are totally outrageous. You have to believe that SA wants to really rebuild if they toss in Gasol. I struggle a bit with Cleveland trading an all-star for three non-all-star forwards. CJ is your primary chip. He might get you in the door for Leonard or Love, but not both. Might be better to split up your two best chips (CJ and Collins) and have one going to SA and the other going to Cleveland.

For some reason I could see SA more interested in Collins and Harkless/Aminu rather than CJ. CJ would be more interesting to Cleveland.

I was operating under the assumption that this would only occur if Lebron left, so Cleveland would want less guaranteed money to complement a tank season, but your scenario might be more plausible. I would be concerned that Kawhi would be a more attractive piece to other teams, so I figured we'd have to ante up a little more for him. And then, since CJ makes so much more than Kawhi, Pau would need to be included for salary matching (which they'd likely be in favor of anyway, since he's a bit overpaid for his age), which is why Collins would go to SA.

Hmm...what if Pau were going to Cleveland? How much compensation would the Cavs need to downgrade from Love to Pau? Collins and a 1st enough?

 

[jlprk]

Finding a 2 guard who can score 15 to 20 points a game is not that difficult. CJ is replaceable. Not completely, but mostly. And he's a valuable trade asset. Give Pat for example 35 minutes a and he'll score 16 points.

SG is the most easy position to fill. There's no reason to give McCollum a quarter of total team salary, preventing all trades for years while he contributes very little in proportion.

 

[craigehlo]

SG is the most easy position to fill. There's no reason to give McCollum a quarter of total team salary, preventing all trades for years while he contributes very little in proportion.

I think we need to fill it via the draft. There are some solid SG options in the 20-30 range of the draft right now (Khyri Thomas, Jerome Robinson, Bruce Brown & De'Anthony Melton.). Obviously draft BPA, but if it's a toss up between a SG or a big, go with the SG. If one of them is a better fit alongside Dame, it frees up the CJ trade.

 

[jlprk]

Man, it's great to see people agree with me. I guess it's timing, but in January I was Traitor #1 for giving reasons for why Olshey should trade McCollum (not that I expect Olshey to do it).

 

[BonesJones]

I think we need to fill it via the draft. There are some solid SG options in the 20-30 range of the draft right now (Khyri Thomas, Jerome Robinson, Bruce Brown & De'Anthony Melton.). Obviously draft BPA, but if it's a toss up between a SG or a big, go with the SG. If one of them is a better fit alongside Dame, it frees up the CJ trade.

Chandler Hutchison!

6'7 w/ A 7'1 wingsoan, a SF but could play some SG. Good defender, solid shooter, can handle the ball and finish with a degree of craftiness inside.