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Portland trades CJ in the next calendar year

  • Yep

    Votes: 20 22.5%
  • Nope

    Votes: 69 77.5%

  • Total voters
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Our back court heights are not the issue. It's who we surround them with. I like small ball in the back court because you tend to have two decent ball handlers. And having that counters what you get from a bigger SG. Wes for example was bigger and gave us other things. CJ is smaller but a better ball handler than Wes and a better passer. (and probably a better shooter)
I know what you're saying, but bigger doesn't necessarily mean worse ball handling. Wes was just bad - had nothing to do with his size. CJ isn't better because he's smaller, he's just better because he has the skill. The league use to be dominated by 6'7" wings who could dribble around and through the competition. The league is just lacking those players at the moment - it's why we need Simmons!
 
Our backcourt height is an issue... What PG or SG in the NBA currently is punishing guys with his post up skills? The defensive rules have changed so posting up a guard is almost non existent.
 
The league is just lacking those players at the moment - it's why we need Simmons!

He is special...no doubt. I want him. But can he hit an outside shot? He has taken two 3 pointers all year. He has to be able to shoot from the outside in the NBA . I am sure he will learn, but right now I am not sure he can.
 
Can Tim Duncan hit a 3? 167 attempts in 1355 games, only 30 makes.
 
Our backcourt height is an issue... What PG or SG in the NBA currently is punishing guys with his post up skills? The defensive rules have changed so posting up a guard is almost non existent.

Honestly, it's not the height that's the issue. It's the lack of defense. Neither of them is a solid defender.
 
Honestly, it's not the height that's the issue. It's the lack of defense. Neither of them is a solid defender.

Bingo. That's why the comparison to any Wade back court combo is silly. With Payton and Chalmers, he was paired with defensive specialists. And LeBron was basically their PG. You had good to great offense and fantastic defense from those back courts. CJ-Dame is historically bad defense. You can cover for one weak defensive player, but two is tough. I'd hate to see either guy go, but I'm also not a fan of pinning my hopes to a doomed scenario.
 
I don't know that they will trade CJ in the next year but I do agree they are too much of a duplication. At least one of them needs to be more of a defensive stopper and it would be nice if every night we weren't one of the smallest backcourts in the league. Of course they score a lot but they remind me WAY TOO MUCH of Curry and Ellis who used to put up a ton of points but couldn't stop or even slow down anyone else and all that scoring let to unbalance with the front court.

I really like a lot of what CJ brings but just don't think it is a great long-term fit here.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the Warriors trade Ellis because Ellis needed the ball in his hands to be most effective offensively?
Where Curry was the better player with the ball in his hand?
Ellis isn't a floor spacer, his best year was at 36% which was his last year in golden state. He's a career 31% 3pt shooter. So playing off the ball isn't his game...
Yes they had issues defensively but I personally believe that it had more to do with Curry learning how to play NBA defense, and Ellis not caring enough to play defense.
 
Steph Curry and Monta Ellis are like CJ & Lillard in a lot of ways. When Golden state traded Ellis Worriers fans where pissed off and the owners wife was furious. Look what happened to GS.
 
I don't understand this thread or why people are on board with trading CJ. Really? yeah trade our second best player who is used to the system and has developed relationships and chemistry, especially with lillard. Only because they are kind of the same player? I don't get it. Yeah, not a lot of defense but they are one of the best back courts in the league. We have a bad season and its the end of the world I guess
 
I don't understand this thread or why people are on board with trading CJ. Really? yeah trade our second best player who is used to the system and has developed relationships and chemistry, especially with lillard. Only because they are kind of the same player? I don't get it. Yeah, not a lot of defense but they are one of the best back courts in the league. We have a bad season and its the end of the world I guess

No. It's just that it'd be the smart thing to do.
 
I voted yes simply because I think a big name star is going to become available this year and I expect Olshey to chase that star with CJ and ect being the start of the conversation. I don't mind keeping CJ and seeing how he develops and how the team does with him after a few seasons. Right now we are in rebuilding mode so i'm not to concerned with us sucking as long as we have a plan and it seems like Olshey always has a plan.
We can always trade CJ in a year or two if we don't think Lillard and CJ can work, guys who score 20PPG aren't a dime a dozen like they used to be and I think CJ can get to that point.
 
If we can get the first overall pick (assuming we dont win the lottery) with our pick and CJ I'd be up for that. Doubt the other team whoever lands the first would, though.
 
If we can get the first overall pick (assuming we dont win the lottery) with our pick and CJ I'd be up for that. Doubt the other team whoever lands the first would, though.
Any chance Simmons would balk at being drafted by PHI? If he pulls a Kobe then maybe PHI would like to have CJ and our pick?
 
Didn't read through the whole thread, so apologies if it was already said, but I'm so tired of the notion " you can't win with x, or without x". Like there's some set blueprint the only way to win at basketball. Teams defy it all the time (maybe not to a title) but still it persists. You have to beat other teams. But other teams also need to beat you. If there was a set formula, half the guys in the league wouldn't have jobs. It's lazy analyzing, to say the least.
 
Didn't read through the whole thread, so apologies if it was already said, but I'm so tired of the notion " you can't win with x, or without x". Like there's some set blueprint the only way to win at basketball. Teams defy it all the time (maybe not to a title) but still it persists. You have to beat other teams. But other teams also need to beat you. If there was a set formula, half the guys in the league wouldn't have jobs. It's lazy analyzing, to say the least.

Apology accepted.
 
No, CJ and Dame are good on the same team. The've been the two best parts of this team consistently this season. Theres 13 other positions we should focus on upgrading.

All players have positives and negatives. You can harp on the negatives and be right. But a player without those deficiencies won't have the same positives so then we'd be lacking in other areas. Yes CJ can't defend great but taller defenders can't dribble or drive as he does. PG and SG are the least important defensive positions. Wings and bigs anchor a defense.

Plumlee, Ed Davis, Aminu, Crabbe look like interesting role players but I'm not sure any of them can be a long term quality starter. CJ is a legit starter in this league. Maybe he comes off the bench on some teams ala Manu but he's a starting level talent. We need more than two starters. Even if some allstar becomes available for CJ just changing the name of one of our two starters doesn't make our team relevant. Eventually we need a 3rd and 4th starter.
 
I don't think Olshey will trade our second leading scorer. Instead, he'll bring in a better perimeter defender at the 3.
 
I think CJ playing well without Damian is a sign that CJ is not going to be with us long term (unless something bad happens to Damian). As I've said elsewhere, it reminds me of the Reggie-Jackson-in-OKC situation. Last season when Westbrook was out, Jackson was putting up insane numbers (although, admittedly, OKC were losing badly) and it became pretty clear that he'd want his own starring role.

Now, it was different in OKC in that Jackson was never a starter alongside Westbrook, while CJ is, but we just look more balanced, and we match up better (and are better defensively), with one of CJ or Lillard at the 1 and Crabbe at the 2.

So... where will CJ land? If we're like OKC, we'll want to trade him before he leaves as a FA. The trouble is, other teams probably think they can wait it out. At least, that would be true of teams like Philly who always have tons of capspace. But it might be kind of cool to see him end up on a contender.

Here's the hard part: I can actually see him working really well in San Antonio. He'd be a sort of super-duper Gary Neal for them and ease into the Ginobili role when he finally retires. But who could they offer us?

Of course, I want Boban, but as he's only on a one year contract, that wouldn't be much (and it's still unclear if he really works as an NBA player, even though he's putting up insane numbers (including the best PER in the entire league) in very limited minutes.) Perhaps the key player I'd want, given that they're not going to give up Kawhi Leonard, would be Kyle Anderson. That might not seem like much of a get given how good CJ is looking for us, but I think he's ready to break out, and indeed would have already if he wasn't on the Spurs. (Popovich has even been quoted as saying "I've got to find minutes for that guy" - which is about as high praise as he ever gives.) Anderson is like Ben Simmons recovering from being chained in a basement for six months and fed starvation rations. Which is to say that he's insanely talented for somebody as tall as he is, even if he's skinny and appears to be playing underwater. But most importantly he would complement the rest of the roster much better than CJ does, even if he may never score like CJ. Remember that he was MVP in Summer League:



I would seriously do Anderson + Boban (maybe + pick?) for CJ, but only because I think CJ will never reach his full potential playing alongside Damian (and because our defense suffers).

I might be the ONLY one on this board who wouldn't howl in outrage at that, though, so perhaps we could try to include a swap of Henderson for Danny Green, who seems to be underperforming a bit for them.
 
It still amazes me that no one in this thread has the balls to ask the right question.
 

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