Trading Rudy Fernandez

[Fez Hammersticks]

According to Quick, one of the demands from Rudy is that he wants to play in a big market. So, here are the top-10 markets in the NBA.

1) New York
2) Los Angeles
3) Chicago
4) Washington
5) Boston
6) Golden State
7) Philadelphia
8) Dallas
9) Houston
10) Atlanta


Houston, Chicago, and New York would be great fits for Rudy. Though, none of them really have assets that we really could use. Factor in the possible acquisition of Wesley Matthews and the host of other young SG/SF/PG prospects we already have.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I'm thinking we can safely trade Bayless, Rudy and Pryz.

What can we get?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Rudy becomes harder to trade if we acquire Matthews. That would give us 5 SG's. Any team we approach would know we're desperate to lose two SG's and that takes away a lot of leverage we might otherwise have had. Our only saving grace is that we have a couple of expiring contracts to move as well.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'm thinking we can safely trade Bayless, Rudy and Pryz.
What can we get?

How about a consolidation trade for one of Detroit's surplus pieces? Rip Hamilton, Prince or maybe Ben Gordon if they decide they made a mistake. Hamilton is probably the most get-able, because he's the oldest, but he'd have an immediate impact (that would be a killer 3-guard rotation - Miller, Roy and Rip would be as good as Porter, Drexler, Ainge) and our young 'uns could come up slowly (or maybe take some time in the D-league).

 

[Nikolokolus]

Rudy becomes harder to trade if we acquire Matthews. That would give us 5 SG's. Any team we approach would know we're desperate to lose two SG's and that takes away a lot of leverage we might otherwise have had. Our only saving grace is that we have a couple of expiring contracts to move as well.

First off, you're making the mistake of assuming we have/had any leverage to begin with. Rudy has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't want to come back here and when you have a foreign player that would have no problem leaving the league to go play at home in Spain he's already narrowed the pool of trading partners to a fraction of what was available before. Our best bet is to probably trade him to one of the team's with cap space for a TPE and a pick ... the only problem is that it's going to come down to a team that really wants him.

If the team really does have an interest in Devin Harris, maybe New Jersey -- who has been a big time loser in free agency this year -- could be talked into parting with him in exchange for Miller, Rudy and Bayless?

 

[Blazer4ever]

No trades needed, the new backup five is Bayless, Rudy, Wesley, Camby and Pryzbilla/

 

[maxiep]

You can't let a player hold you hostage. I could give two shits what Rudy wants. He's under contract. Am I willing to lose a 2nd round pick and a $1.7MM TE to hold on to his US rights? You bet your ass I am.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would love to see Rudy rot on our bench for a season. I hate people who are unappreciative.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I would love to see Rudy rot on our bench for a season. I hate people who are unappreciative.

Well if nothing else it will give Maris something to bitch about.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well if nothing else it will give Maris something to bitch about.

There will always be something for Maris to bitch about. He will be talking about Sergio years from now, long after McMillan is gone, and Sergio is serving ice cream at some parlor in Barcelona.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I would love to see Rudy rot on our bench for a season. I hate people who are unappreciative.

I agree with your sentiment but I would also like to have another roster spot to give a longer time to evaluate Armon Johnson and Patty Mills; or if Camby or Oden would be hurt, to acquire another big.

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe we should send Rudy down to the D league. That would be sufficiently hilarious.

 

[hasoos]

First off, you're making the mistake of assuming we have/had any leverage to begin with. Rudy has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't want to come back here and when you have a foreign player that would have no problem leaving the league to go play at home in Spain he's already narrowed the pool of trading partners to a fraction of what was available before. Our best bet is to probably trade him to one of the team's with cap space for a TPE and a pick ... the only problem is that it's going to come down to a team that really wants him.

If the team really does have an interest in Devin Harris, maybe New Jersey -- who has been a big time loser in free agency this year -- could be talked into parting with him in exchange for Miller, Rudy and Bayless?

That is untrue. FIBA rules prevent Rudy from just leaving and going to play in Spain while under contract here. Just like FIBA rules prevent European players from just leaving their team and playing here.

 

[Idog1976]

There will always be something for Maris to bitch about. He will be talking about Sergio years from now, long after McMillan is gone, and Sergio is serving ice cream at some parlor in Barcelona.

Dude come on, you know Sergio couldn't guard melting ice cream. Any Gelato stand worth it's rock salt would cut that little bitch day one.

 

[Idog1976]

How about a consolidation trade for one of Detroit's surplus pieces? Rip Hamilton, Prince or maybe Ben Gordon if they decide they made a mistake. Hamilton is probably the most get-able, because he's the oldest, but he'd have an immediate impact (that would be a killer 3-guard rotation - Miller, Roy and Rip would be as good as Porter, Drexler, Ainge) and our young 'uns could come up slowly (or maybe take some time in the D-league).

The only reason to trade Rip would be a possible trade chip to get CP3 closer to the end of his contract. I guess we could use the shooting veteran, I'm just not sure he puts us over the top or in a position to win. I still think we need a PG who can shoot and Collison is the guy we should aim for.

 

[Nikolokolus]

That is untrue. FIBA rules prevent Rudy from just leaving and going to play in Spain while under contract here. Just like FIBA rules prevent European players from just leaving their team and playing here.

I honestly believe Rudy would take a one year suspension from the NBA to get out of playing (for free essentially) in Portland. He'd then be free to go where-ever he liked. Worst case scenario I think the Blazers and Rudy agree to some kind of buyout.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I honestly believe Rudy would take a one year suspension from the NBA to get out of playing (for free essentially) in Portland. He'd then be free to go where-ever he liked. Worst case scenario I think the Blazers and Rudy agree to some kind of buyout.

But WHY would you believe that? Because of poorly translated comments in a Spanish tabloid? Methinks your distaste for all things Spanish is leading you off the deep end.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The only reason to trade Rip would be a possible trade chip to get CP3 closer to the end of his contract. I guess we could use the shooting veteran, I'm just not sure he puts us over the top or in a position to win.

Same reason we signed Andre Miller (who is nearly 2 years older than Rip) last year?

I still think we need a PG who can shoot and Collison is the guy we should aim for.

We had a PG who could shoot in Steve Blake. We need a PG who can shoot, pass and play defense. I still believe Collison is way overhyped. He put up good numbers because of the freedom he was given on a sucky team that lost massively when he was the starter. He wouldn't have the same freedom in our system. He's a very good backup PG.

 

[oldmangrouch]

But WHY would you believe that? Because of poorly translated comments in a Spanish tabloid? Methinks your distaste for all things Spanish is leading you off the deep end.

Why? Because he watched him play last season?

I don't know for certain if the team mislead everybody about how bad his back injury was, or if he just decided to tank. The distinction is only relevant to any team that trades for him. For the Blazers, the reason for his worthlessness is pretty meaningless.

 

[Nikolokolus]

But WHY would you believe that? Because of poorly translated comments in a Spanish tabloid? Methinks your distaste for all things Spanish is leading you off the deep end.

I don't have a distaste for all things Spanish (I'd love Marc Gasol on this team).

But as to why I believe he'd sit out a year, I just think there has been enough put out there by enough sources to believe that Rudy has no intention of returning to Portland next year ... maybe he'd rot on the bench for a year just to get paid, but I wouldn't bank on it.

 

[Idog1976]

Same reason we signed Andre Miller (who is nearly 2 years older than Rip) last year?



We had a PG who could shoot in Steve Blake. We need a PG who can shoot, pass and play defense. I still believe Collison is way overhyped. He put up good numbers because of the freedom he was given on a sucky team that lost massively when he was the starter. He wouldn't have the same freedom in our system. He's a very good backup PG.

I meant a PG who could shoot AND defend, something no one would accuse Blake of. The Hornets lost when CP3 was on the floor too, so I guess he's a decent backup on a sucky team he had free reign on?

As to signing Andre Miller are you saying we are desperate to make a move? That was CLEARLY the impetus behind the Miller signing. Miller turned out quite good in certain circumstances. Rip would cost twice as much. I don't see much comparison really, I mean Rip is NOT a position of need like PG.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The Hornets lost when CP3 was on the floor too, so I guess he's a decent backup on a sucky team he had free reign on?

Allow me to draw your attention to this stat:

Chris Paul: total +/- +9 (!). +/-/min +.005 (Both good for second best on that benighted team. Paul was the only non-scrub with a positive impact.)
Darren Collison: total +/- -177 (worst on the team). +/-/min -.083 (only 4th worst).

So: the Hornets actually outscored the opposing team when Paul played, which considering how god-awful they were, is quite a testament to his greatness. With Collison, they did worse than with practically any other player.

As to signing Andre Miller are you saying we are desperate to make a move? That was CLEARLY the impetus behind the Miller signing.

It's not clear, and even if that were the reason, it was the right move. Miller turned out to be an inspired signing, and if we don't want him, he's a trading chip. So, "desperate" or not, if this is a similar move, I'm all for it.

The fact remains we have too many players. To my mind Bayless has proved he's not a PG, and Rudy has proved that he and Nate can't coexist. But at the moment, we'd keep them and have to cut somebody else. I think Rip Hamilton (although I'd prefer Prince, if he's healthy) would help us more than either in the foreseeable future, not least because he's won a championship.

Miller turned out quite good in certain circumstances. Rip would cost twice as much. I don't see much comparison really, I mean Rip is NOT a position of need like PG.

Neither Blake nor Nate seemed to think Miller fulfilled a position of need, did they?

PF was not a "position of need" for the Lakers last year, yet they re-signed LaMar Odom. Did they screw up? Of course not. It's about the squad as a whole. You can play Brandon and Rip together in a big lineup, or you can play Brandon and Miller and Roy in a small lineup. It never hurts to have starter-quality players on your bench.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Why? Because he watched him play last season?

Maybe I'm obtuse, but I didn't find anything in his play last year to think that he would intentionally give up millions of dollars to sit out of basketball for a year. Even if you think ill of Rudy, which amazingly many people now do, wouldn't that lead you to think that he'd rather get PAID for doing nothing?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Maybe I'm obtuse, but I didn't find anything in his play last year to think that he would intentionally give up millions of dollars to sit out of basketball for a year. Even if you think ill of Rudy, which amazingly many people now do, wouldn't that lead you to think that he'd rather get PAID for doing nothing?

I think there's a growing perception that he sandbagged it at the end of the season ... I don't share that opinion, but I've heard it more than once.

 

[hasoos]

I honestly believe Rudy would take a one year suspension from the NBA to get out of playing (for free essentially) in Portland. He'd then be free to go where-ever he liked. Worst case scenario I think the Blazers and Rudy agree to some kind of buyout.

Sweet then we can suspend him without pay and take him off the cap. Thanks Rudy!

 

[The Other Guys]

According to Quick, one of the demands from Rudy is that he wants to play in a big market. So, here are the top-10 markets in the NBA.

Hahahah I find this hilarious that Rudy thinks he is now in control of where he should go. Maybe if he would have made a shot in the playoffs when it mattered or backed up his talk when he said that he deserves more minutes at shooting guard the Blazers would be understanding. If I were him I would just be begging for a trade anywhere. He can rot on our bench for all that I care and think about his bud Sergio who is out in Spain having some fun.

 

[gatorpops]

According to Quick, one of the demands from Rudy is that he wants to play in a big market. So, here are the top-10 markets in the NBA.

Hahahah I find this hilarious that Rudy thinks he is now in control of where he should go. Maybe if he would have made a shot in the playoffs when it mattered or backed up his talk when he said that he deserves more minutes at shooting guard the Blazers would be understanding. If I were him I would just be begging for a trade anywhere. He can rot on our bench for all that I care and think about his bud Sergio who is out in Spain having some fun.

If you substitute the word requests for the word demands it changes the sentence a whole lot! It is Quick you know. (smile)

 

[The Other Guys]

If you substitute the word requests for the word demands it changes the sentence a whole lot! It is Quick you know. (smile)

I don't think it changes the fact that he is trying to pick where he goes. I find that hilarious. If Brandon Roy was going to be traded and he asked that he didn't get sent to a certain team, I would understand, but Rudy!!!! hahahaha

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

If you read between the lines it is a demand rather than a request. He's interested in playing in the ACB again and if you believe Quick, he could sit out a year to do just that. That could change if he's traded to a situation that he wants: Big Market, bigger role.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If you read between the lines it is a demand rather than a request. He's interested in playing in the ACB again and if you believe Quick, he could sit out a year to do just that. That could change if he's traded to a situation that he wants: Big Market, bigger role.

Exactly the way I read it too. His instinct is to probably return to Spain, but if the NBA makes him an offer he can't refuse he'd probably like to give it another go in someplace where he'll have a ton of minutes and a style that he thinks will give him the best chance at success. Failing in his second year was probably quite the embarrassment for him.