Trail Blazers gear up for legislative ask that would ‘guarantee’ team’s future in Portland

[AldoTrapani]

If you're on the twitters, you'll see that Dwight is really ramping up the "team is gonna move" scare tactic.

Guy needs attention pretty bad I guess.

He’s a right wing nut these days. So it falls into the team is moving narrative for him

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Samuel]

smart for brooke to ask the questions of silver: she reps the team and nba, and comes across as an oregon taxpayer.

I certainly feel buttered up, don't you?

 

[Hoopguru]

Will the Moda Center be renamed after Dundon takes over?

Cercano Management Arena

 

[blazerkor]

I would be really happy if whoever the new sponsor is that after the renovations it goes back to being the Rose Garden. It could be the Microsoft Rose Garden for instance.

 

[julius]

I would be really happy if whoever the new sponsor is that after the renovations it goes back to being the Rose Garden. It could be the Microsoft Rose Garden for instance.

You know, it would be cool if the Paul Allen estate paid to have the arena named after him. Paul Allen Rose Garden.

I'm heading to the Parg!

 

[Hoopguru]

You know, it would be cool if the Paul Allen estate paid to have the arena named after him. Paul Allen Rose Garden.

I'm heading to the Parg!

Been there numerous times and never bseen a rose garden? where the hell is at? There is one at Wash Park, but thats on the west side......

 

[Hoopguru]

I mean its sits on the river, railroad tracks and just before a Steel bridge. And it was named the Rose Garden? Like MSG or BG, how original.

 

[julius]

Been there numerous times and never bseen a rose garden? where the hell is at? There is one at Wash Park, but thats on the west side......

The Blazers massively dropped the ball on the Rose Garden tbh.

And now it looks dated (outside, the pavers/planter boxes etc) and uncared for.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I would be really happy if whoever the new sponsor is that after the renovations it goes back to being the Rose Garden. It could be the Microsoft Rose Garden for instance.

You don’t want Ron Tonkin Arena?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Holy shit we are definitely losing the team.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Not sure it's good or bad the Allen's didn't look at bids from groups that wanted to move the Blazers.

Does that mean there were a number of groups trying to do that? Were they willing to pay more for the franchise?

There is nothing preventing Dundon group from selling to those movers.

 

[julius]

Not sure it's good or bad the Allen's didn't look at bids from groups that wanted to move the Blazers.

Does that mean there were a number of groups trying to do that? Were they willing to pay more for the franchise?

There is nothing preventing Dundon group from selling to those movers.

Other than the profit margin wouldn't be worth being the middle man.

I guess we need the fear of the team moving, but after a while you have to realize it would have already happened if it was going to happen.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Not sure it's good or bad the Allen's didn't look at bids from groups that wanted to move the Blazers.

Does that mean there were a number of groups trying to do that? Were they willing to pay more for the franchise?

There is nothing preventing Dundon group from selling to those movers.

It is good.

I don't see the league approving a sale immediately after to move the team so that Dundon makes a profit. Thats not going to happen.

Also, with the renovations, there is no way the state/city don't sign an agreement with hefty penalties that the team stays that would make the majority of any profit moot if they left.

 

[RR7]

It is good.

I don't see the league approving a sale immediately after to move the team so that Dundon makes a profit. Thats not going to happen.

Also, with the renovations, there is no way the state/city don't sign an agreement with hefty penalties that the team stays that would make the majority of any profit moot if they left.

I think this is the big thing. Secur the money from taxes or whatever, as long as it comes with a guarantee the team doesn't move for so many years.

That being said, I have zero thought the team would actually move away from Portland.

 

[wizenheimer]

Also, with the renovations, there is no way the state/city don't sign an agreement with hefty penalties that the team stays that would make the majority of any profit moot if they left.

what I read was the bill that passed the legislature and the governor signed had a specific contingency clause essentially saying no funds unless Blazer ownership agreed to a 20 year lease prohibiting team relocation. I can't recall if that 20 year clock started after the 2030 expiration of the current lease deal, or 20 years after the bond sale. That's kind of a quibble though because that time frame would put it out to 2047-2050

I haven't heard any reaction to the proposal from the Dundon Group. That doesn't mean they will reject to deal, but I would not be surprised if they had some contingent demands of their own, especially when it comes to designs and engineering related to the renovation

 

[THE HCP]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Monday morning quarterbacking from Dudley.

 

[Samuel]

dudley platforming jaynes at this point

 

[HailBlazers]

Monday morning quarterbacking from Dudley.

Nah he was ahead on this.

 

[julius]

IF the city owns the thing, and they *didn't* pay for in the first fucking place, then it kind of makes sense to have them have some skin in it.

The owner presented a bill? He didn't own the team yet...

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

IF the city owns the thing, and they *didn't* pay for in the first fucking place, then it kind of makes sense to have them have some skin in it.

The owner presented a bill? He didn't own the team yet...

Nah, I like my talking points from someone running for governor that has a reason to hate the decisions made.

 

[Hoopguru]

Has an agreement on the moda remodel and team staying here for 20 been made. Or, are they going to wait for the current lease to run out which is 2030? before another lease agreement is signed? I may be missing some news on this but all i know at this point is Toms purchase has been finalized and some verbal stuff on long term commitment to team staying here.

 

[blazerkor]

Has an agreement on the moda remodel and team staying here for 20 been made. Or, are they going to wait for the current lease to run out which is 2030? before another lease agreement is signed? I may be missing some news on this but all i know at this point is Toms purchase has been finalized and some verbal stuff on long term commitment to team staying here.

The way Dundon said it, he is willing to and is being asked to commit to a lease going forward 20 years from the time the funding is fully passed. So I'm pretty sure it's a simultaneous thing. All of the funding is passed, the plans are approved and the team agrees to the 20 year lease at the same time.

 

[julius]

Nah, I like my talking points from someone running for governor that has a reason to hate the decisions made.

I hate *all* talking points, but my biggest complaint about duds is he's the phoniest phony of all phonies.

Dude "loves" Oregon, but the second he got spanked in the Governors race back whenever it was, he hot tailed it out of the state.

NONE of his ads or his website really have any concrete ideas (not uncommon actually) other than talking points and hollow phrases.

And throw in the fact that Dwrong Jaynes is backing him/helping him...well, no thanks.

Look, Damian could run for Major or Governor of Oregon and he could talk about something and actually know wtf he's talking about and not just come off as someone who is handed a sheet of paper with talking points and told to "memorize this and just repeat it".

Duds has done NOTHING to impress me as a candidate or outside of being a Blazer, done anything to sound like he's competent.


It wouldn't be hard to run a competent campaign to beat Kotek, but no one seems to want to do it other than "SHE BAD! LIBTARD! DON'T DO WHAT SHE DONE DO!"

 

[wizenheimer]

Economic impact of NBA teams: Nearly nil. – City Observatory

cityobservatory.org

I've seen these 'minimal-economic-impact' studies before. This isn't new. the wild exaggerations of proponents of spending public money aren't new either. Bill Oram's idiotic claim that the Blazer leaving would set the Portland economy back by 2 generations is kind of new

one of the main arguments on this is that a big majority of the economic activity for a sports team is local. It's people in the area diverting disposable income into the Blazer economy rather than buying a new tablet or dining set or going to a movie. That money would be spent anyway so for the local economy it's zero-sum

obviously, 41 times a year, other NBA teams will be visiting, sometimes for 2 nights. That could bring in 60-70 players, coaches, reporters, broadcast personnel that will spend money on lodging, food, transportation. But that's insignificant compared to the economy.:



The Blazers annual revenue was around 360M last season. The total BRI for the entire NBA in 2024-25 was 10.25B. That compares to the 220B GDP of the Portland metro area and the 80B GDP of just the city of Portland

of course there will be other activities like concerts at the Moda than just Blazer games. So the overall impact will be bigger. That still won't change the dynamics of zero-sum economy.

my objections to this funding scheme has always been about the grift. The grift that Silver and the NBA and Dundon were pressing for public money. The grift pro sports leagues and the owners usually press for public funding. The wild exaggerations about economic impact and the panic about the imminent departure of the Blazers. That almost nobody involved in the process up until after the legislature passed the bill exercised the due diligence to tap the brakes, just a little, is a disgrace in my view. Maybe that's too harsh but there certainly was an abdication of responsibility

 

[Samuel]

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Economic impact of NBA teams: Nearly nil. – City Observatory

cityobservatory.org

I've seen these 'minimal-economic-impact' studies before. This isn't new. the wild exaggerations of proponents of spending public money aren't new either. Bill Oram's idiotic claim that the Blazer leaving would set the Portland economy back by 2 generations is kind of new

one of the main arguments on this is that a big majority of the economic activity for a sports team is local. It's people in the area diverting disposable income into the Blazer economy rather than buying a new tablet or dining set or going to a movie. That money would be spent anyway so for the local economy it's zero-sum

obviously, 41 times a year, other NBA teams will be visiting, sometimes for 2 nights. That could bring in 60-70 players, coaches, reporters, broadcast personnel that will spend money on lodging, food, transportation. But that's insignificant compared to the economy.:

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The Blazers annual revenue was around 360M last season. The total BRI for the entire NBA in 2024-25 was 10.25B. That compares to the 220B GDP of the Portland metro area and the 80B GDP of just the city of Portland

of course there will be other activities like concerts at the Moda than just Blazer games. So the overall impact will be bigger. That still won't change the dynamics of zero-sum economy.

my objections to this funding scheme has always been about the grift. The grift that Silver and the NBA and Dundon were pressing for public money. The grift pro sports leagues and the owners usually press for public funding. The wild exaggerations about economic impact and the panic about the imminent departure of the Blazers. That almost nobody involved in the process up until after the legislature passed the bill exercised the due diligence to tap the brakes, just a little, is a disgrace in my view. Maybe that's too harsh but there certainly was an abdication of responsibility

there have been these fake economic studies for years and every year there's a new one that furnishes ownership groups with fresh talking points.

my issue has been dundon trying to move the negotiating deal zone from 'how much private money will public partners demand we contribute to the area or the arena' to 'hey--we're open to signing a 20 year lease agreement, that's your private partnership right there!'

we're still pretty early days for this type of negotiation (historically it takes 6mos to a year for these things to play out if you look at other recent deals)--so it's still a tick too soon for pitchforks—but dundon's public comments are pretty clear that he'd prefer to not spend a dime on the arena or area.

cute, tom.