Training Camp Thread....Dare I say Official?

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Let's hope it is more like that than the passing with Maglorie, Bogut, Redd and Ford. :D

Yeah, there's the ideal and the reality.

With the guys we have, we have no hope of coming close to the passing acumen of that Kings team. But it's a nice role model to try to live up to.

I'd be happy if we just made a carbon copy of the Mavs' championship offense. It's really a better representation of how our team is built, with Aldridge/Dirk, Lillard/Kidd and Terry, decent bigs, athletic wing. Imperfect comparison, but closer.
 
Let's hope it is more like that than the passing with Maglorie, Bogut, Redd and Ford. :D

In 05-06 with a semi healthy group, the Bucks were 8th in the league in assists, 14th in ppg, and 13th in PACE

The following season, and injury riddled team was 12th in assists, 10th in ppg and 11th in PACE

Stott's big issues were on defense rather than offense. It seems to me that his time in Dallas educated him on the importance of defense a bit, which is why it has been the focus of training camp so far. Also, Portland has a lot more talent than the Bucks did when he was coach
 
This thread has me Sooooo stoked especially reading the interviews with players.

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This thread has me Sooooo stoked especially reading the interviews with players.

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Help me Ronda... get 'em out of my heart!

<preparing to fall in love with them again, dammit, in 3... 2... 1...>
 
Those teams, with Webber, Vlade and Miller had some of the best interior passing I have ever seen. If Stotts can bring that to Portland, this will be a very fun team to watch.

BNM

Just looked it up, in 2003-04, Webber averaged 4.6 APG, Miller 4.3 APG and Vlade 5.3 APG (in only 28.6 MPG)! That's incredibly good passing from your 4 and 5 spots.

Add in Bibby at 5.4 APG and Christie at 4.2 APG and you've got five guys averaging between 4.2 and 5.4 APG. Now that what I call sharing the ball! Plus, you need to also have a lot of player movement to create that many open looks. If this is what Stotts is trying to do, he has my blessing.

Just for comparison, only once during the entire P.J., Dunleavy, Cheeks, Nate eras did the team ever have more than two players average >4.2 APG. That was 2003-04 when Cheeks was coach and Damon, DA and Jeff McInnis were in the 4.5 - 6.1 APG range (but McInnis only played 39 games and DA only 51).

Prior to that, you need to go back to 1993-94, when the Blazers had Strickland, TP and Clyde averaging between 5 and 9 APG to get anything close to that kind of ball movement. And guess who was coaching the Blazers then...

BNM
 
Just looked it up, in 2003-04, Webber averaged 4.6 APG, Miller 4.3 APG and Vlade 5.3 APG (in only 28.6 MPG)! That's incredibly good passing from your 4 and 5 spots.

Add in Bibby at 5.4 APG and Christie at 4.2 APG and you've got five guys averaging between 4.2 and 5.4 APG. Now that what I call sharing the ball! Plus, you need to also have a lot of player movement to create that many open looks. If this is what Stotts is trying to do, he has my blessing.

Just for comparison, only once during the entire P.J., Dunleavy, Cheeks, Nate eras did the team ever have more than two players average >4.2 APG. That was 2003-04 when Cheeks was coach and Damon, DA and Jeff McInnis were in the 4.5 - 6.1 APG range (but McInnis only played 39 games and DA only 51).

Prior to that, you need to go back to 1993-94, when the Blazers had Strickland, TP and Clyde averaging between 5 and 9 APG to get anything close to that kind of ball movement. And guess who was coaching the Blazers then...

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Nice post.

Stotts has a huge career opportunity to look shockingly good as an offensive coach after McMillan.

I've often wondered if coaching turnover can be good for a franchise, even when the coaches lost are pretty good. McMillan did (I think) a really good job of molding defensive fundamentals into guys like Aldridge and Batum. But there comes a point where you just aren't going to teach a lot more. I'm just really stoked to see what Stotts' plan is going to bring to their games.
 
Those are some pretty honest and self-critical quotes there. Obviously, you'd love to read that he destroyed Aldridge, but that ain't happening in the real world.

Reminds you just how good Aldridge is. I think a lot of fans just take him for granted, given our long history with quality power forwards. The idea of him being unsaddled from grind-it-out low-post-only McMillan ball is damned exciting.

LMA played mostly wing or elbow high post in Nate's offense, although when he went low-post last year, he was unstoppable. LMA has one of the better 18' jumpers in the league or 12' fade-away from the baseline. I know Nate's very unpopular here, but making things up doesn't exactly lend credence to the criticisms.
 
What are you talking about???? We had all that last year with Felton:

Passing the donuts, cutting the cheese and hideous bowel MOVEMENTS.

BNM

Quick also says that they passed gas a bunch. Blake was bad, but Raef was the worst.
Webster is squealing across the way. Blake has passed gas and Webster is calling him out.
"And he stood up to do it!'' Webster laughs.
Roy joins in.
"Hey, farts need oxygen,'' Roy says, imitating the motion.
It makes Roy remember a game earlier this season - he thinks it was San Antonio - when Blake dropped a bomb as the team was headed out for the opening tip. The deed was delivered at the area on the sideline where players wipe their feet on a sticky pad to make their sneakers more tacky.
"I went up to that sticky pad, and oh man, I was about to pass right out,'' Roy said in his unique tone, which includes saying the last two words real quick, almost together.
Blake grins proudly at the memory.
I said it couldn't have been any worse than Zach Randolph, who was notorious for brutal, practice-stopping gas. The players disagreed.
The title for worst ever, they say, can only be held by Raef LaFrentz.
"No, no. That's gotta be Raef,'' Aldridge said. "And he be like, 'Yep. That's me. Right here. Thank you. That's me.'" All the while, Aldridge is imitating Raef by holding his hand above his head, pointing at himself.
Blake concurs, saying that Raef is the only guy who ever cleared the entire middle section of Blazer One.
"Oh man,'' Roy says, his face crinkling at the memory. "I be about to jump out of that plane that day.''
 
LMA played mostly wing or elbow high post in Nate's offense, although when he went low-post last year, he was unstoppable. LMA has one of the better 18' jumpers in the league or 12' fade-away from the baseline. I know Nate's very unpopular here, but making things up doesn't exactly lend credence to the criticisms.

This. I hated that LMA didn't seem to know (or wasn't told) about the "and-roll" portion of the P&R play until the last two years, when every once in a while he'd get the ball rolling to the hoop or get the alleyoop from Rudy curling around to the FT line. But he's been about as versatile as could be the last couple of years.
 
He already did. Here it is.

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That's gotta be one of the FUNNIEST pics I've ever seen! :cheers:
 
I really, REALLY hope that Stotts isn't trying to turn Damian Lillard into a Mike Bibby clone. I understand sharing the ball, but when you have a PG who can drive to the hole and also shoot, he needs to be the primary ball-handler and person in charge of owning the offensive tempo. Adelman's Sacto teams failed in the playoffs because they didn't have a player who could initiate his own offense at the end of games against good defensive teams.

Lillard has a chance to be that type of player, and I really hope the idea isn't a "share the wealth" approach.
 
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I really, REALLY hope that Stotts isn't trying to turn Damian Lillard into a Mike Bibby clone. I understand sharing the ball, but when you have a PG who can drive to the hole and also shoot, he needs to be the primary ball-handler and person in charge of owning the offensive tempo. Adelman's Sacto teams failed in the playoffs because they didn't have a player who could initiate his own offense at the end of games against good defensive teams.

Lillard has a chance to be that type of player, and I really hope the idea isn't a "share the wealth" approach.

Turning him into a Mike Bibby would be horrible.

I hope they stay as far away from him as humanly possible.
 
I really, REALLY hope that Stotts isn't trying to turn Damian Lillard into a Mike Bibby clone. I understand sharing the ball, but when you have a PG who can drive to the hole and also shoot, he needs to be the primary ball-handler and person in charge of owning the offensive tempo. Adelman's Sacto teams failed in the playoffs because they didn't have a player who could initiate his own offense at the end of games against good defensive teams.

Lillard has a chance to be that type of player, and I really hope the idea isn't a "share the wealth" approach.

I hope we have a moving offense. Players moving and the ball moving. Of course Lillard will initiate it and at times take it himself when the opportunity arise, but I don't want to see him always with the ball except when he kicks it out.
 
I really, REALLY hope that Stotts isn't trying to turn Damian Lillard into a Mike Bibby clone. I understand sharing the ball, but when you have a PG who can drive to the hole and also shoot, he needs to be the primary ball-handler and person in charge of owning the offensive tempo. Adelman's Sacto teams failed in the playoffs because they didn't have a player who could initiate his own offense at the end of games against good defensive teams.

Lillard has a chance to be that type of player, and I really hope the idea isn't a "share the wealth" approach.

Difference being Lillard is a known as a good ball handler. Mike Bibby has never been a good ball handler.

Adelman's King's team failed in playoffs because they were blatantly jobbed by the ref's.
 
Difference being Lillard is a known as a good ball handler. Mike Bibby has never been a good ball handler.

Adelman's King's team failed in playoffs because they were blatantly jobbed by the ref's.
The Blazers have been jobbed plenty (i.e. throughout the 2000 WCF). But the way the refs raped Sacto should have resulted in a prison sentence. And Mike Bibby was always overrated. Lillard will be better than Bibby, and more clutch.
 
The Blazers have been jobbed plenty (i.e. throughout the 2000 WCF). But the way the refs raped Sacto should have resulted in a prison sentence. And Mike Bibby was always overrated. Lillard will be better than Bibby, and more clutch.

Truth. Bibby was not athletic nor was he a big assist guy. Barely could run the pick and roll, and Webber was the facilitator in that system.

We can't be like Sacto. LA is a pretty mediocre passer.
 
I kinda want to drink the Kool-Aid on this team. Like, really.
 
Truth. Bibby was not athletic nor was he a big assist guy. Barely could run the pick and roll, and Webber was the facilitator in that system.

We can't be like Sacto. LA is a pretty mediocre passer.

It's also true that the reason the Kings were better than the Lakers that one year is because Mike Bibby was killing the Lakers that series.

As far as a go-to guy, the Blazers already have one in Aldridge at the end of games. Lillard will just add to that and probably be another one.

I'm not that worried.
 
It's also true that the reason the Kings were better than the Lakers that one year is because Mike Bibby was killing the Lakers that series.

As far as a go-to guy, the Blazers already have one in Aldridge at the end of games. Lillard will just add to that and probably be another one.

I'm not that worried.

The Kings were better than the Lakers because of their assistant coach. Just ask anybody in the NW. :D
 
man, i really cant wait for the season to start! i have high hopes, might be the only one, but it puts a smile on my face!
 
I'm excited too, but I don't have high hopes.

wes is healthy, lma is in his prime, batum has confidence, lillard looks like a top 10 pg worst case, and 4 other rookies to hope on

the fucking hope level is sky high imo
 
wes is healthy, lma is in his prime, batum has confidence, lillard looks like a top 10 pg worst case, and 4 other rookies to hope on

the fucking hope level is sky high imo

You just named our only 4 NBA quality level players.
 
You just named our only 4 NBA quality level players.

fuck did you start writing for blazersedge already??

freeland is easily nba level, and not all players can be starters, some guys like babbitt or claver will always be those 10th guy types
 

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