Transgender first grader - Are you okay with it?

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Good on them for standing up for their child in the face of ignorance and prejudice.
 
crandc said:
Good on them for standing up for their child in the face of ignorance and prejudice.
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Are you fucking kidding me?

How is it ignorant or prejudice for a parent to want their daughter to be able to use the restroom without a boy using it at the same time?

Again, until he gets the surgery he needs, he is a boy, and should use the boys room. it should in no fucking way be the responsibility of the school or all the other parents at the school to bend over backwards for this child. If he wants to dress like a girl then fine, but he still needs to use the boys restroom. His parents need to be there for him when he gets picked on or beat up by the other kids (not saying it's right, but it will happen)

Either that or they need to pull him out of PUBLIC school and find a private school that is willing to cater to his needs
 
See, that's the ignorance.

She is a girl, and was born that way.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Wait, what...did I miss something? The boy in question was born a girl?
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Yep, you missed it.

It's why she dresses as a girl, her passport says female, etc.

The other kids don't give a shit. Nobody has complained. The school is making a huge error in judgment. And the only one actually being hurt is the girl.
 
maxiep said:
Like it or not, school isn't just about this person. It's about how they fit into the group. They may want to use the girls' bathroom, but how does it make other girls feel?

The solution is simple: just have them use a private bathroom I'm sure is at the school.

I get the larger argument: your psychology may not match your biology. However, it's not up to the school or the community to adjust to that condition, rather the individual. I feel sorry for this kid, but as a wise philosopher once said, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.
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THat's it, I'm going back to high school and taking showers in the girls locker room to better experess myself.
 
Denny Crane said:
Yep, you missed it.

It's why she dresses as a girl, her passport says female, etc.

The other kids don't give a shit. Nobody has complained. The school is making a huge error in judgment. And the only one actually being hurt is the girl.
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Why does the state issued document recognize him as a girl? because the parents say so? What does his birth certificate say?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Why does the state issued document recognize him as a girl? because the parents say so? What does his birth certificate say?
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You can't reason your way out of the truth, sorry.

She's a girl. She is what she looks like (ALL THE TIME).
 
Good for the school to make efforts to accomodate the child, while also recognizing the need to protect the other children.
 
Denny Crane said:
You can't reason your way out of the truth, sorry.

She's a girl. She is what she looks like (ALL THE TIME).
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So if I commit to dress like a girl for the rest of my life, I am a female?

Nevermind all of the natural pieces that indicate otherwise (uh, like the existence of a penis and all other male sexual organs and all other items that make me a male)?

You can't "REASON" a way out of a penis and testicles. Sorry.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
So if I commit to dress like a girl for the rest of my life, I am a female?

Nevermind all of the natural pieces that indicate otherwise (uh, like the existence of a penis and all other male sexual organs and all other items that make me a male)?

You can't "REASON" a way out of a penis and testicles. Sorry.
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Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

It isn't about committing to wearing anything.

It's WHY.
 
It's funny that people want issues to be so simple and get so upset when the world won't cooperate.

Here's a question: have you heard of AIS? (This is an intersex condition, which is in some ways different from transgenderism, but there are ways in which they coincide.) How does that affect your view of the boy/girl "dichotomy"?
 
Denny Crane said:
Ignorance is bliss, apparently.

It isn't about committing to wearing anything.

It's WHY.
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Why? Why was he born with a penis and other male parts? Why does he still have a penis? I'm cool with people being what/who they want. But like his/her parents have a right to protect their child, other parents have rights to protect my child, and the school has the right to protect its' students. The school found what I'd consider a fair option for everyone.
 
http://kdvr.com/2013/06/23/transgender-first-grader-coy-mathis-wins-civil-rights-case/

Transgender first-grader Coy Mathis wins civil rights case in Colorado

DENVER — The Colorado Civil Rights Division ruled in favor of a transgender first-grader who was blocked from using the girls’ bathroom at her elementary school, the The Transgender Legal Defense & Education Fund announced Sunday.

Coy Mathis, 6, was the victim of discrimination when Eagleside Elementary School in Fountain refused to let her use the girl’s restroom, the ruling finds.

In issuing its decision, the state’s rights division said keeping the ban in place “creates an environment that is objectively and subjectively hostile, intimidating or offensive.”
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Why? Why was he born with a penis and other male parts? Why does he still have a penis? I'm cool with people being what/who they want. But like his/her parents have a right to protect their child, other parents have rights to protect my child, and the school has the right to protect its' students. The school found what I'd consider a fair option for everyone.
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Nobody is complaining about the girl using the girl's bathroom. Transgender girls have been using girls bathrooms for decades and it's no big deal.

There's nothing to protect anyone from, other than really making this girl feel bad.
 
Denny Crane said:
Nobody is complaining about the girl using the girl's bathroom. Transgender girls have been using girls bathrooms for decades and it's no big deal.

There's nothing to protect anyone from, other than really making this girl feel bad.
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Cool. We'll have to agree to disagree. Or at least I agree to disagree.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
THat's it, I'm going back to high school and taking showers in the girls locker room to better experess myself.
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I had my bell rung during a football practice my junior year. On my way to get checked out, I was so loopy I walked into the girls' locker room where the soccer team and cheerleaders had finished up and were getting dressed/showering.

There were the usual screams and curses by the girls as they rushed to cover up. I simply stood dumbfounded in the middle of the room asking what they were doing in the men's locker room.

One of my friends grabbed my arm and led me out of the locker room yelling at me the entire time. I kept looking at her curiously. She realized something wasn't right with me, so she went down to get one of my coaches. They then took me into the boys locker room and the training room to get checked out. I was later diagnosed with a concussion.

To this day, no matter how many apologies I give or no matter how many times I tell the story, almost no one believes me that I didn't walk into the girls' locker room intentionally.
 
maxiep said:
I had my bell rung during a football practice my junior year. On my way to get checked out, I was so loopy I walked into the girls' locker room where the soccer team and cheerleaders had finished up and were getting dressed/showering.

There were the usual screams and curses by the girls as they rushed to cover up. I simply stood dumbfounded in the middle of the room asking what they were doing in the men's locker room.

One of my friends grabbed my arm and led me out of the locker room yelling at me the entire time. I kept looking at her curiously. She realized something wasn't right with me, so she went down to get one of my coaches. They then took me into the boys locker room and the training room to get checked out. I was later diagnosed with a concussion.

To this day, no matter how many apologies I give or no matter how many times I tell the story, almost no one believes me that I didn't walk into the girls' locker room intentionally.
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It's okay Max. You had a "concussion"... we understand :devilwink:
 
bitches need to learn to respect the cock. we taking over your bathrooms. :MARIS61:
 
For those that want the school to provide separate facilities for the boy (sorry Denny, but girls don't have penises), you should know that is a problem for existing school buildings.

If the voters of a school district want to provide transgender bathrooms in a new school, that's ok. Restrooms are expensive, but if the majority say that's what they want, that's what the school district should build. (Keep in mind that one transgender facility probably isn't going to do it. In elementary schools, the kids tend to move to different wings as they progress through school. So, the you would need to build 2-3, or more, of these to accommodate that movement.) Once the transgender student moves on to middle school, those restrooms either are taken out of service, so they don't require daily service, or they are a burden on the custodial staff. (Unless another transgender student comes into the elementary before the first one leaves.

In existing buildings, the number of boy's and girl's restrooms is set relative to the number of boys and girls at the school. To take one of a pair of gang restrooms out of service to accommodate one person will leave in insufficient number of stalls/urinals to service the school population. Saying to just add one is problematic. In an existing building, the new facilities need to be located near hot and cold water supplies, and waste piping. If there is no easy location, then the floor of the building has to be torn up to get to the waste piping. Most older schools have one, sometimes two, one-hole staff restrooms. Most elementary schools have at least 20 staff, with the teachers having a common time to use the facilities (between class times.) Taking one of the staff restrooms to service one student is a problem.

Go Blazers
 
oldguy said:
For those that want the school to provide separate facilities for the boy (sorry Denny, but girls don't have penises), you should know that is a problem for existing school buildings.

If the voters of a school district want to provide transgender bathrooms in a new school, that's ok. Restrooms are expensive, but if the majority say that's what they want, that's what the school district should build. (Keep in mind that one transgender facility probably isn't going to do it. In elementary schools, the kids tend to move to different wings as they progress through school. So, the you would need to build 2-3, or more, of these to accommodate that movement.) Once the transgender student moves on to middle school, those restrooms either are taken out of service, so they don't require daily service, or they are a burden on the custodial staff. (Unless another transgender student comes into the elementary before the first one leaves.

In existing buildings, the number of boy's and girl's restrooms is set relative to the number of boys and girls at the school. To take one of a pair of gang restrooms out of service to accommodate one person will leave in insufficient number of stalls/urinals to service the school population. Saying to just add one is problematic. In an existing building, the new facilities need to be located near hot and cold water supplies, and waste piping. If there is no easy location, then the floor of the building has to be torn up to get to the waste piping. Most older schools have one, sometimes two, one-hole staff restrooms. Most elementary schools have at least 20 staff, with the teachers having a common time to use the facilities (between class times.) Taking one of the staff restrooms to service one student is a problem.

Go Blazers
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Some girls do have penises. That's why they are transgendered.
 
I find it odd that we're calling this little boy a "girl" because that's how he identifies? So now we're stereotyping behaviors, behaviors this little boy follows, as being "girl" behavior?

I know women who partake in more "manly" things than most men, but clearly, they are still women and identify themselves as women. These women actually have the anatomy/physiology of a woman.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/judy-...unity-for-transgender-students_b_3744830.html

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) has had a similar approach in place for almost a decade. Our policy has helped transgender students feel comfortable, rather that isolated, at school. We made sure that students can use bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity. We have helped them join the appropriate gym classes and sports teams.

And we have watched these students thrive.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I find it odd that we're calling this little boy a "girl" because that's how he identifies? So now we're stereotyping behaviors, behaviors this little boy follows, as being "girl" behavior?

I know women who partake in more "manly" things than most men, but clearly, they are still women and identify themselves as women. These women actually have the anatomy/physiology of a woman.
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It's not just about behavior, though. Allegedly, Coy "self-identified" as a girl as early as Coy was able to speak, and stated at the age of 4 that, "something is wrong with my body". This, by the way, is the part that my ignorant brain has difficulty understanding. Perhaps it's different when one is a triplet, but I have yet to meet the 4-year-old that is self-aware enough--and comprehends gender differences well-enough--to be able to determine that he or she should be one gender or the other.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It's not just about behavior, though. Allegedly, Coy "self-identified" as a girl as early as Coy was able to speak, and stated at the age of 4 that, "something is wrong with my body". This, by the way, is the part that my ignorant brain has difficulty understanding. Perhaps it's different when one is a triplet, but I have yet to meet the 4-year-old that is self-aware enough--and comprehends gender differences well-enough--to be able to determine that he or she should be one gender or the other.
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I have long felt like something is wrong with me or my body. I've long felt I was different. I've always assumed (and been told) everyone has those kinds of thoughts. I dunno, it's a hard sell. Maybe I'd feel differently about this one case if I actually knew the child. But without that experience, I can't say anything for sure.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/judy-...unity-for-transgender-students_b_3744830.html

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) has had a similar approach in place for almost a decade. Our policy has helped transgender students feel comfortable, rather that isolated, at school. We made sure that students can use bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity. We have helped them join the appropriate gym classes and sports teams.

And we have watched these students thrive.
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Cool thanks for the link. I was searching for it and couldn't find it.
 
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