Politics Transgender in the military

[Natebishop3]

Nope not Sly. It was your rigidity I remember then, and the exchange today reminds of failure to communicate today.

I didn't get along with PapaG because of his propensity to constantly bring up the past in arguments that had no relevance whatsoever.

So I'm not surprised that this would remind you of PapaG, because you're doing the same thing right now.

 

[MarAzul]

When you go to the VA, do you give a shit about how much it costs the VA to give you your treatment?

I don't think anything about me and the VA is your business.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I didn't get along with PapaG because of his propensity to constantly bring up the past in arguments that had no relevance whatsoever.

So I'm not surprised that this would remind you of PapaG, because you're doing the same thing right now.

PAPA G REMINDED YOU TOO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF BRO

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think anything about me and the VA is your business.

Aha! Now he's starting to get it!

 

[MarAzul]

I didn't get along with PapaG because of his propensity to constantly bring up the past in arguments that had no relevance whatsoever.

So I'm not surprised that this would remind you of PapaG, because you're doing the same thing right now.

No, but I am not about to show you why.

 

[Natebishop3]

No, but I am not about to show you why.

Let me give you an example of an interaction with PapaG:

Me: *argument about something Blazers related*

PapaG: You were a shitty writer!

~End Scene~

But hey, I guess if you want to admire the dude, be my guest. I put up with his shit for YEARS. I never banned him for my interactions with him. I'm not afraid to argue with someone. I didn't abuse my mod powers when I was a mod. The only time I used my banning privileges were from interactions that did not involve me.

 

[Natebishop3]

And Marazul has successfully shifted the argument away from the topic and made it about me.

This is the kind of shit that annoys the hell out of me.

If you want to attack my opinions, be my guest. If you don't care for the way that I debate, tough shit. I don't care. Feel free not to debate me if it bothers you.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

ARE YOU JUDGING TRANS PEOPLE BY MY ACTIONS ALONE?

Oops sorry I got all emotional.

But my question stands. I know you're judging me. Are you using me to say all trans people should not serve? Because I'd really recommend you don't.

Okay, now that was funny.

And, hell no. I am not basing my beliefs upon you. At my age I have known a lot of people that now identify other that their given sex.

I served with guys that were gay, good soldiers, they did their job, nobody cared. Special flower or could not cut it, they were removed.

Frankly, I can not think of one trans person that I have ever met, that when they came out, were not an emotional mess. It has to be hard, as you have stated before. I feel zero condemnation, it only makes me feel more fortunate that for all I have been through, that is something I have never had to question.

 

[MarAzul]

I don't care.

Easy!

I can tell you can't do more.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Going have to side with Linc Sly. War, Prepping for War, posturing to prevent War is the reason for the force.
While not the only reason for the National Guard, that does much disaster work. Any good that comes out of the force is not the reason to have it.
But I will go with sometime the good work is also part of posturing!


PS

I believe this notion that the military is there to farther the social agenda of do good gang is utter bullshit.

Keep spinning and failing, you'll eventually get there.

 

[Natebishop3]

Easy!

I can tell you can't do more.

You have been dancing and dodging and weaving all through this thread.

Answering questions with questions.

Not responding when I address your point.

So when I see someone who clearly doesn't care about debating the topic, and just wants to stick to their close-minded point of view, I'm going to call it like I see it. I see someone who is stuck in the past. Plain and simple.

Keep dancing though.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The military is used in humanitarian efforts because there's no one else the government can use to do it.

See, you just proved my point.

Thank you.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Oh

I said it was the fault of the generals if they're going to worry more about trans people hurting the military than soldiers with PTSD.

I have seen PTSD tear apart friends; I support them and wish that mental health treatments weren't so stigmatized in America that they feel they don't have any support.

Apropos of nothing, I also think literacy is very important.

Apropos of nothing...

I think people who don't write clear paragraphs making smartass comments to people who misunderstood them are just terrible people.

As to you, that isn't what you said. Which would be a stupid comment anyway unless trans soldiers are less prone to suffer PTSD.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Oh


Apropos of nothing...

I think people who don't write clear paragraphs making smartass comments to people who misunderstood them are just terrible people.

As to you, that isn't what you said. Which would be a stupid comment anyway unless trans soldiers are less prone to suffer PTSD.

Apropos of nothing I already know I'm a terrible person because I post here!

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Because I'm such a nice guy, I'll help you out.

The sentence said: "If snowflake generals are wringing their hands over trans soldiers not being badass enough, or their medication costing money while they down boner pills and suffer PTSD, that's their fucking problem."

Now, I will change certain sections of the sentence different colors to help simplify it for you.

"If snowflake generals are wringing their hands over trans soldiers not being badass enough, or their medication costing money while they down boner pills and suffer PTSD, that's their fucking problem."

Clearly, the "that's their *** problem" portion at the end related back to the generals' hand-wringing at the beginning. And the hand-wringing is only being done in regard to soldiers' badassery or medication's cost. The PTSD is mentioned only in relation to the cost of the corresponding boner pills the PTSD necessitates.

Does that help?

If you read it correctly it says the generals downing boner pills and suffering PTSD is their problem. You could make the case that it includes the generals and the non trans soldiers as one group.

Take out the blue part.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If you read it correctly it says the generals downing boner pills and suffering PTSD is their problem. You could make the case that it includes the generals and the non trans soldiers as one group.

Take out the blue part.

*edits original post*

Fake news! It's a witch hunt!

Wringing their hands about trans soldiers is their problem.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Apropos of nothing I already know I'm a terrible person because I post here!

Hold on now, are you saying the you are terrible for posting here, or that you are made aware of being terrible by posting here? lol

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Hold on now, are you saying the you are terrible for posting here, or that you are made aware of being terrible by posting here? lol

Why not both?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I would give you more credit, Sly. From a combat veterans point of view, I believe that he is ,more than entitled to his opinion.

I also concur that the role of fighting forces is to overpower your enemy. Any allowance of lessening of standards of that fighting force, is unacceptable.

Even with the highest standards met, these kids live in a highly stressful environment. Even the most well adjusted, physically fit soldier can break, so why does it even become a question when wanting to allow someone, who already has issues, to be allowed to place others in harms way.

Someone linked something that said 45 percent of them already tried suicide.

Would they be less likely to kill themselves if no barrier like this existed legally or via public reaction to them? That's a tough question to phrase properly? That one study I read said discrimination and harassment from others was their worst symptom.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Someone linked something that said 45 percent of them already tried suicide.

Would they be less likely to kill themselves if no barrier like this existed legally or via public reaction to them? That's a tough question to phrase properly? That one study I read said discrimination and harassment from others was their worst symptom.

Trans people who are shown support by family members have a suicide rate comparable to the rest of society. It's when they are shunned that the rate skyrockets.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Trans people who are shown support by family members have a suicide rate comparable to the rest of society. It's when they are shunned that the rate skyrockets.

That's terrible honestly. The fucked up part is that if these assholes that shun their family think its a mental illness then it is like shunning your kid for getting cancer.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

That's terrible honestly. The fucked up part is that if these assholes that shun their family think its a mental illness then it is like shunning your kid for getting cancer.

Mental health is still tied up in "nature" and "the soul" and you get a lot of weird, horrible reactions. My mom is supportive of me but she still calls it my "problem" and says "sometimes nature makes mistakes" as a way of making me feel better lol

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Mental health is still tied up in "nature" and "the soul" and you get a lot of weird, horrible reactions. My mom is supportive of me but she still calls it my "problem" and says "sometimes nature makes mistakes" as a way of making me feel better lol

She's saying it is like being deaf or something?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

She's saying it is like being deaf or something?

Kinda yeah... I'm mostly just happy she is trying to supportive.

 

[Nate]

See, you just proved my point.

Thank you.

Your point was wrong.

Grow up.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Kinda yeah... I'm mostly just happy she is trying to supportive.

Yeah, its good. My grandmother was mad at my aunt for 8 or so of my aunt's last 10 years alive because she dated a younger guy after she got divorced. Luckily she got over it before my aunt died.

 

[MarAzul]

Keep spinning and failing, you'll eventually get there.

Huh! No spin there Sly
Good deeds is not why we have a military. That should be crystal clear.
Properly lead, it isn't bad either.

 

[santeesioux]

PAPA G REMINDED YOU TOO MUCH ABOUT YOURSELF BRO

IF YOU STARE INTO THE ABYSS THE ABYSS STARES BACK INTO YOU.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Your point was wrong.

Grow up.

Actually I wasn't wrong. To say that the only thing the military does is war is not accurate or factual. Marazul is trying to turn it into some strange touchy feely insult to our military and that is wrong and rude. To say that the men and women who serve in our military are only good for war is an insult to their brave and honorable service for our country and when called upon, the world.

God Bless America.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Actually I wasn't wrong. To say that the only thing the military does is war is no accurate or factual. Marazul is trying to turn it into some strange touchy feely insult to our military and that is wrong and rude. To say that the men and women who serve in our military are only good for war is insult to their brave and honorable service for our country and when called upon, the world.

God Bless America.

Sly, just because they do humanitarian aid doesn't mean that the primary PURPOSE of the military is not war. Because it is.

For Pete's sake....soldiers deliver bags of rice off of helicopters in war-torn or weather-demolished areas with M-16s strapped across their backs/fronts and pistols on their hips/under their arms. Come on man.