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exactly, the whole "liberals are gonna take my guns!" nonsense is just brainwashing as far as i can tell. obama still has a couple months left in office though, watch out!
They'd do it in a second if they thought they could and you know it. If all guns ceased to exist I'd be happy so don't think I'm a gun nut.

Let's just be realistic.
 
Who said I'm hiding in the dark?

The military said you had to, until Obama changed it, back when you say you would have joined it. So you're the one who said you wanted to hide in the dark.

The larger point is that you don't mind the government making it illegal to be gay. Until the hippy revolution, gay men in Britain were forcibly castrated. Interesting.
 
The stupid cia.edu site said Col. Nick Fury, even though I remembered his Dr. Strangeglove role as being a general. Turns out Hayden played the Fury role elsewhere in his career. Back to Gen. Mattis, from his Wikipedia biography:

I just read about that. Sounds like a clusterfuck of epic proportions all the way around. On one hand, I agree with the military's assessment, but on the other hand, it's very hard to ignore the evidence that it was a wedding once the fire stopped.

It also raises some questions: the Brig. General on the ground reported that he was taking fire, and it sounds like these were the only structures in the area. So who the hell was firing? And where else were the rounds coming from if not from these buildings?

Thank this liberal...he was arrested many times for guns and a spokesperson for the liberals.....lot more of them than you think
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He looks familiar, but I can't place his name....

exactly, the whole "liberals are gonna take my guns!" nonsense is just brainwashing as far as i can tell. obama still has a couple months left in office though, watch out!

Bullshit. I've followed these issues for years. The only thing that kept Obama from signing gun control was a 5-4 margin in the supreme court with every single gun rights issue that went before it, as well as a Republican House. That's it.

It's funny how you talk about Liberals not being the problem.....when they're the very people who vote in the morons who enact Gun Control.

Unless you believe that's a bunch of Republicans in California electing those idiots?

The military said you had to, until Obama changed it, back when you say you would have joined it. So you're the one who said you wanted to hide in the dark.

The larger point is that you don't mind the government making it illegal to be gay. Until the hippy revolution, gay men in Britain were forcibly castrated. Interesting.

What the fuck are you ranting about? Who said I didn't mind it?

I never agreed with the Government's stance on gay issues in the Military. I simply said that I prioritize MY sexuality a certain way as it works best for me. And I also said being gay in the military should be secondary to the bigger picture.

Jesus. I wouldn't want the guy next to me in a ditch to suddenly break out into song about why it's okay to be gay when there are rounds flying overhead. Prioritize! Focus on the mission! Not your need to feel accepted for being gay.

In the trenches, everyone's equal. They're all stuck in the same shit pile, and they all have targets on their backs. If someone whined to me on a battlefield about the military being mean to them, I'd lose my fucking shit. Do your fucking job; the job you VOLUNTARILY signed up for. Worry about your precious feelings when your back in your tent. If you make it there.

I don't know how the hell DIs put up with this shit.
 
They'd do it in a second if they thought they could and you know it. If all guns ceased to exist I'd be happy so don't think I'm a gun nut.

Let's just be realistic.
Remember the election of 2008?? I sure do. All the gun nuts went scrambling to buy all the guns and ammo they could get their hands on. All because "Obama was gonna take their guns away and restrict their access to ammo". And "he was gonna incite a race war." This led to a "shortage" of bullets. My gun nut coworkers literally scoured the valley looking for ammo. They actually had their own phone tree, so that when one guy found ammo, he could call the others. When one guy found a source, he'd stock up for some of the others and they would pay him back. It was so paranoid it was pathetic. I mean, these were generally reasonable people scared to death that "they" were going to go door to door confiscating their precious arsenals. Eight years later, despite numerous mass shootings nationwide, these same individuals have exactly the same rights they have always had. A reactionary of any stripe is still a reactionary....
 
They'd do it in a second if they thought they could and you know it. If all guns ceased to exist I'd be happy so don't think I'm a gun nut.

Let's just be realistic.

i am in favor of the 2nd amendment, and i am a pussy liberal communist.

so we exist.
 
Remember the election of 2008?? I sure do. All the gun nuts went scrambling to buy all the guns and ammo they could get their hands on. All because "Obama was gonna take their guns away and restrict their access to ammo". And "he was gonna incite a race war." This led to a "shortage" of bullets. My gun nut coworkers literally scoured the valley looking for ammo. They actually had their own phone tree, so that when one guy found ammo, he could call the others. When one guy found a source, he'd stock up for some of the others and they would pay him back. It was so paranoid it was pathetic. I mean, these were generally reasonable people scared to death that "they" were going to go door to door confiscating their precious arsenals. Eight years later, despite numerous mass shootings nationwide, these same individuals have exactly the same rights they have always had. A reactionary of any stripe is still a reactionary....

That's what Liberals believe.

The REALITY of what we ACTUALLY believed is this: that Obama was going to push for Gun Control (which he did on multiple occasions), support those who push Gun Control (which he has, continuously), and pressure Congress into drawing up Gun Control bills (which he has on numerous occasions).

We also believed that it was critical to keep the SC on a Conservative majority, and that is exactly what happened, but no thanks to Obama. And as a result, every single challenge to the second amendment and gun rights, both in States and at the Federal Level, passed by a 5-4 margin in favor of Gun Rights.

One vote. That's it. And you wonder why "gun nuts" were losing their shit over the possibility of Hillary and a Liberal Justice.

Nobody with half a brain believed that Big Brother was going to come knocking on the door to take them away. Now, that being said.... if Obama had gotten his wish of a universal registration (among other things), then the chances of that happening becomes a more probable reality. After all, confiscation happened after Katrina in N.O., and to Law Abiding people there too; not gang bangers. And if ever there was a time or a place for an innocent person to have a gun, it was in NO after Katrina.

That being said, I've continuously told my fellow gun owners, time and time again, not to give in to "Panic Buying". For the most part, people have caught on over the years. But there are still many out there, both gun buyers and gun dealers, who take advantage of the panic to price gouge.

If you don't follow these issues, then I don't expect you to understand any of this. Nor do I expect one post on a forum to explain away 8 years of Gun Rights debates and Gun Control.

But don't act like those of us who do are a bunch of paranoid nutjobs just because you don't see things the way that we do.
 
sorry for being glib, we are more or less on the same side of this one.

I appreciate that, thank you.

I'm curious about something: I'm assuming that you probably vote on a Liberal basis (if I'm wrong about that, then I apologize). And yet you support Gun Rights. How do you reason that?

I imagine it's probably much like me being a member of the LGBT community and voting Republican. Do you simply prioritize things accordingly?
 
I appreciate that, thank you.

I'm curious about something: I'm assuming that you probably vote on a Liberal basis (if I'm wrong about that, then I apologize). And yet you support Gun Rights. How do you reason that?

I imagine it's probably much like me being a member of the LGBT community and voting Republican. Do you simply prioritize things accordingly?

i am for some basic mostly unobtrusive regulation that will save innocent lives, (background checks, criminal and mentally unstable regulation, waiting periods) but for the most part, people should have the right to buy as many guns, as they see fit. i think it is a mighty fine right to have, and to be able to protect ourselves and those we care about. "a rifle behind every blade of grass" and all that. whether that is with a gun is up to each person. that being said, i think most liberals are in this camp. we dont want to "take your guns away". at least i dont!
 
maybe not every paranoid schizophrenic should have a gun. just my opinion though.

Perhaps not but that isn't what you previously posted. Nor is it defined anywhere with any specificity. Write an amendment to the amendment, perhaps you can be cogent and adequately specific.
 
Perhaps not but that isn't what you previously posted. Nor is it defined anywhere with any specificity. Write an amendment to the amendment, perhaps you can be cogent and adequately specific.

you got me man, if i could figure that out i sure wouldnt be here yelling at clouds with you.

how about "if you are taking medication for schizophrenia, you cant own a gun."

i know that would bum a few people out, meh.
 
i am for some basic mostly unobtrusive regulation that will save innocent lives, (background checks, criminal and mentally unstable regulation, waiting periods) but for the most part, people should have the right to buy as many guns, as they see fit. i think it is a mighty fine right to have, and to be able to protect ourselves and those we care about. "a rifle behind every blade of grass" and all that. whether that is with a gun is up to each person. that being said, i think most liberals are in this camp. we dont want to "take your guns away". at least i dont!

On paper, those sound great.

In practice, they are far more obtrusive to Gun Owners and those who want to purchase a gun than they are to stopping criminals from purchasing one.

Take for example "Universal Background Checks". We already have those, and yet I've argued with people till I was blue in the face who are convinced that there is no such thing as background checks, ever.

Every time a person buys a gun through an FFL, they are REQUIRED by Federal Law to go through a background check. Period. There are no exceptions to this.

Same with gun shows, which many Liberals are convinced are this mythical place of shady deals and criminal activity. Every time I've bought or sold a gun at a gun show over the years, I've had to go through a background check. Every. Single. Time.

The problem people get confused on is Private Sales. But Private Sales are....wait for it....PRIVATE. It's not the government's business, nor is it my FFL's business. And NO documented mass shooting has ever occurred in this country from a privately-purchased gun without a background check. Ever. They account for less than 1% of the 1% of total gun crimes in this country!

Now you have states like Washington and Oregon who mandate that Private Sales must go through an FFL to receive a background check. Which effectively bans and outlaws private sales. So now I have to pay some asshole in a gun shop upwards of $100 not just for the background check....but also to TRANSFER the gun to the buyer!

I don't have that kind of money. And unless I make the buyer pay for my half (in addition to his half...because he also gets charged for a background check).

So in that sense, it IS obtrusive. Very much so.

Mental Health Checks. Short of the government demanding or requesting my PRIVATE medical history, there is NO constitutional way to enforce this (violates Right To Privacy laws). So it's a non-issue; as it should be. Because medical privacy SHOULD be one of the few things that we have a Right To Privacy for.

Waiting Periods. You think that Joe Criminal, who's either unstable or plotting a crime, is going to abort his plan because he has to wait 10 days vs 10 minutes?

I don't think so. If you're determined to commit a crime, then you're determined to wait until the right time to do it.

Not to mention that there's already one case where a waiting period actually costed a woman her life. I believe it was in New Jersey. She bought a gun to protect herself from her violently abusive ex husband (IIRC), and was required to wait 30 days. He killed her during that waiting period.

Sorry, but there's a reason why those of us who study these issues feel the way that we do about this subject. On paper, Liberals talking points sound very good when it comes to guns, and it sells very well (as is proof by the recent gun legislation backed by Bloomberg which passed here in Washington by 70% of voters).

But in practice, they are either not necessary at the least, or dangerous at the most.
 
how about "if you are taking medication for schizophrenia, you cant own a gun."

Well, they maybe complete rational, far more reliable than people on their daily drug of choice used to cope with the pressures of our wonderful world.
 
Sorry, but there's a reason why those of us who study these issues feel the way that we do about this subject.

there are people who study these issues who feel the exact opposite.

i think, as with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
 
That's what Liberals believe.

The REALITY of what we ACTUALLY believed is this: that Obama was going to push for Gun Control (which he did on multiple occasions), support those who push Gun Control (which he has, continuously), and pressure Congress into drawing up Gun Control bills (which he has on numerous occasions).

We also believed that it was critical to keep the SC on a Conservative majority, and that is exactly what happened, but no thanks to Obama. And as a result, every single challenge to the second amendment and gun rights, both in States and at the Federal Level, passed by a 5-4 margin in favor of Gun Rights.

One vote. That's it. And you wonder why "gun nuts" were losing their shit over the possibility of Hillary and a Liberal Justice.

Nobody with half a brain believed that Big Brother was going to come knocking on the door to take them away. Now, that being said.... if Obama had gotten his wish of a universal registration (among other things), then the chances of that happening becomes a more probable reality. After all, confiscation happened after Katrina in N.O., and to Law Abiding people there too; not gang bangers. And if ever there was a time or a place for an innocent person to have a gun, it was in NO after Katrina.

That being said, I've continuously told my fellow gun owners, time and time again, not to give in to "Panic Buying". For the most part, people have caught on over the years. But there are still many out there, both gun buyers and gun dealers, who take advantage of the panic to price gouge.

If you don't follow these issues, then I don't expect you to understand any of this. Nor do I expect one post on a forum to explain away 8 years of Gun Rights debates and Gun Control.

But don't act like those of us who do are a bunch of paranoid nutjobs just because you don't see things the way that we do.
I suspect I have at least as much understanding of the gun issue as you do.....and possibly more so. And I was relating exactly what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears. I'm sorry you feel those two senses have lied to me. And you certainly seem to think (and imply) that the anti Trump folks are "paranoid nutjobs" because they don't see things the way YOU do. As I stated in another post in another thread, all we're going through is role reversal. The left had to listen to the right whine and wring it's hands for the past 8 years. Before that, the right had to hear the left whine and wring it's hands for 8 years. And before that yada, yada, yada.......Jeezus, enjoy your boy's victory while you can and don't delude yourself that the left won't have it's turn again sooner rather than later. And as I said, a reactionary of any stripe is still a reactionary, and both ideologies are chock a block full of them.......
 
I suspect I have at least as much understanding of the gun issue as you do.....and possibly more so. And I was relating exactly what I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears. I'm sorry you feel those two senses have lied to me. And you certainly seem to think (and imply) that the anti Trump folks are "paranoid nutjobs" because they don't see things the way YOU do. As I stated in another post in another thread, all we're going through is role reversal. The left had to listen to the right whine and wring it's hands for the past 8 years. Before that, the right had to hear the left whine and wring it's hands for 8 years. And before that yada, yada, yada.......Jeezus, enjoy your boy's victory while you can and don't delude yourself that the left won't have it's turn again sooner rather than later. And as I said, a reactionary of any stripe is still a reactionary, and both ideologies are chock a block full of them.......

I suspect I have at least as much understanding of the gun issue as you do.....and possibly more so.

Because I don't know you, your history, or what you have/have not studied in regards to this topic, then I'll reserve judgement on this statement

However, if you are like the countless other Liberal-leaning folks I've encountered over the years who use Michael Bloomberg and MomsDemandAction as their sources of information, then I promise you I'm more knowledgeable about this topic than you are.

But again: I don't know you, so I reserve judgement appropriately.

And you certainly seem to think (and imply) that the anti Trump folks are "paranoid nutjobs" because they don't see things the way YOU do.

I don't think they're paranoid nutjobs; I think they're fucking morons.

To me, a paranoid nutjob is someone who believes Sandy Hook and 9/11 were both Conspiracies by our government.

But a moron is someone who thinks that Trump is going to sneak into their house and murder them while they're masturbating.

Trust me....a paranoid nutjob is WAY worse than a simple moron.

And yes, you have my permission to use that as Sig material.

As I stated in another post in another thread, all we're going through is role reversal. The left had to listen to the right whine and wring it's hands for the past 8 years. Before that, the right had to hear the left whine and wring it's hands for 8 years. And before that yada, yada, yada.......

I suppose you have a point there. But it's funny how neither side ever admits to any wrong-doing, huh?
 
there are people who study these issues who feel the exact opposite.

i think, as with most things, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

We have facts, logic, reason, and Constitutional Scholars on our side.

They have emotion and cherry-picked statistics, as well as straw-man arguments of what our country should be like based on others.

Who would YOU trust? Because to me, it's a no-brainer.
 
My understanding is that sociopaths are incapable of admitting to being wrong........and just another great reason to toss the current two party system into the dumpster.....

You bring up a good point. It's a known fact that many with sociopath tenancies tend to work in high office; either in politics or business. The reason being that they crave power and control.
 

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