Politics Trump declares me a new nationality. I am not.

[crandc]

I have always opposed rah-rah flag waving jingoism, from the time I was in high school and refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance as a protest against the Vietnam War. I am American by virtue of having been born within political boundaries, and never felt it conveyed any special status. So it is ironic that Trump, by attempting to classify me as a new “national origin” due to my Jewish heritage (although I’ve been an atheist since age 13), that I now must proclaim clearly that I am an American.

Unlike, say, Irish-Americans or Chinese-Americans, who can trace their ancestry to a specific country, Jewish Americans can come from virtually any country on earth. My grandparents were all immigrants; two from Poland, one from Russia, one from Slovenia. I have always simply said I was of East European descent. None of them came from some mythical country of “Jew-land”.

It was stated that making us a new, nationality will enable blocking or banning the anti-Israel Boycott Divest Sanction (BDS) movement on college campuses, although Nazis and white supremacists are “very fine people” who are terribly persecuted when students refuse to listen to them. Bad ideas need to be fought politically, not by naming people a new nationality by executive order. And while many Jewish Americans are sympathetic towards Israel, it is not our nationality.

After “Christ killer” and “money grubber”, the top anti-Semitic slur used against Jews has been disloyalty or at least divided loyalty. Trump himself has used this slur on many occasions. From the Dreyfus affair, to Nazi Germany, to Stalinist purges, to McCarthyism and the attacks on brave patriots like Alexander Vindman and Marie Yovanovich; not really French, not really German, not really Soviet, not really American, the other, the Jew.

For the record:

My national origin is East European
My culture is secular Jewish and American
My religion is none
My nationality is American.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Sounds to me like you’re Slopolsian........just sayin’.......

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I have always opposed rah-rah flag waving jingoism, from the time I was in high school and refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance as a protest against the Vietnam War. I am American by virtue of having been born within political boundaries, and never felt it conveyed any special status. So it is ironic that Trump, by attempting to classify me as a new “national origin” due to my Jewish heritage (although I’ve been an atheist since age 13), that I now must proclaim clearly that I am an American.

Unlike, say, Irish-Americans or Chinese-Americans, who can trace their ancestry to a specific country, Jewish Americans can come from virtually any country on earth. My grandparents were all immigrants; two from Poland, one from Russia, one from Slovenia. I have always simply said I was of East European descent. None of them came from some mythical country of “Jew-land”.

It was stated that making us a new, nationality will enable blocking or banning the anti-Israel Boycott Divest Sanction (BDS) movement on college campuses, although Nazis and white supremacists are “very fine people” who are terribly persecuted when students refuse to listen to them. Bad ideas need to be fought politically, not by naming people a new nationality by executive order. And while many Jewish Americans are sympathetic towards Israel, it is not our nationality.

After “Christ killer” and “money grubber”, the top anti-Semitic slur used against Jews has been disloyalty or at least divided loyalty. Trump himself has used this slur on many occasions. From the Dreyfus affair, to Nazi Germany, to Stalinist purges, to McCarthyism and the attacks on brave patriots like Alexander Vindman and Marie Yovanovich; not really French, not really German, not really Soviet, not really American, the other, the Jew.

For the record:

My national origin is East European
My culture is secular Jewish and American
My religion is none
My nationality is American.

As I understand it (and according to CNN), the executive order simply states that "Discrimination against Jews may give rise to a Title VI violation when the discrimination is based on an individual's race, color, or national origin." It doesn't define "jew-ness" as any of those things.

 

[crandc]

Discrimination based on religion is already illegal. The order specifically defines Jews as a national origin.

 

[MarAzul]

The order specifically defines Jews as a national origin

Is that not your option as of this order? You still may use East European if you wish?

 

[Lanny]

I have always opposed rah-rah flag waving jingoism, from the time I was in high school and refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance as a protest against the Vietnam War. I am American by virtue of having been born within political boundaries, and never felt it conveyed any special status. So it is ironic that Trump, by attempting to classify me as a new “national origin” due to my Jewish heritage (although I’ve been an atheist since age 13), that I now must proclaim clearly that I am an American.

Unlike, say, Irish-Americans or Chinese-Americans, who can trace their ancestry to a specific country, Jewish Americans can come from virtually any country on earth. My grandparents were all immigrants; two from Poland, one from Russia, one from Slovenia. I have always simply said I was of East European descent. None of them came from some mythical country of “Jew-land”.

It was stated that making us a new, nationality will enable blocking or banning the anti-Israel Boycott Divest Sanction (BDS) movement on college campuses, although Nazis and white supremacists are “very fine people” who are terribly persecuted when students refuse to listen to them. Bad ideas need to be fought politically, not by naming people a new nationality by executive order. And while many Jewish Americans are sympathetic towards Israel, it is not our nationality.

After “Christ killer” and “money grubber”, the top anti-Semitic slur used against Jews has been disloyalty or at least divided loyalty. Trump himself has used this slur on many occasions. From the Dreyfus affair, to Nazi Germany, to Stalinist purges, to McCarthyism and the attacks on brave patriots like Alexander Vindman and Marie Yovanovich; not really French, not really German, not really Soviet, not really American, the other, the Jew.

For the record:

My national origin is East European
My culture is secular Jewish and American
My religion is none
My nationality is American.

When I was a kid in the mid 50s in Oswego, now Lake Oswego, the joke going around was something spoken to another White Nationalist "If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a ****." However, Jews were not the only ones ridiculed. Others were as follows:

1. Blacks
1. Jews;
2. Germans
3. Italians
4. Japanese
5. Chinese;
6. Women;
7. Actually the least denigrated of the list was Catholics.

Kind of ugly, huh.

Fortunately that list only came to me from other children my age, obviously taught to them by other children and some nasty adults somewhere along the line.

It wasn't until we moved to NW Portland and I turned 12 that I began to realize just how wrong that was.

I might add that I never heard that crap at school or at church or in the Boy Scouts or directly from any adult.

Of course Lake Oswego, the merger of Oswego and Lake Grove, is now completely different and most of the people are proud of their acceptance of other differing people.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Didn't someone get banned for posting the N word in some form or the other?

Is posting a racist joke about Jews ok? Or is it not racist? Just bigoted? Wait, it was anti-semitic..duh

I guess that does add to the discussion. Gonna go google some more jokes like that to post. Be right back.

 

[ABM]

When I was a kid in the mid 50s in Oswego, now Lake Oswego, the joke going around was something spoken to another White Nationalist "If I knew you were coming I'd have baked a ****." However, Jews were not the only ones ridiculed. Others were as follows:

1. Blacks
1. Jews;
2. Germans
3. Italians
4. Japanese
5. Chinese
6. Women;
7. Actually the least denigrated of the list was Catholics.

Kind of ugly, huh.

Fortunately that list only came to me from other children my age, obviously taught to them by other children and some nasty adults somewhere along the line.

It wasn't until we moved to NW Portland and I turned 12 that I began to realize just how wrong that was.

I might add that I never heard that crap at school or at church or in the Boy Scouts or directly from any adult.

Of course Lake Oswego, the merger of Oswego and Lake Grove, is now completely different and most of the people are proud of their acceptance of other differing people.

This is a good book.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Denny and I have both deleted racist posts and banned the people who made them. If you want to get banned then post the n word, if you don't want to get banned then don't. It's really pretty simple.

 

[Chris Craig]

Didn't someone get banned for posting the N word in some form or the other?

Is posting a racist joke about Jews ok? Or is it not racist? Just bigoted? Wait, it was anti-semitic..duh

I guess that does add to the discussion. Gonna go google some more jokes like that to post. Be right back.

Yes, they did. Posting slurs of any race, religion, culture, etc on this site are not accepted. Lanny's post has been edited. Reading Lanny's post, I understood he was not using such language to proliferate hate, but to share a valuable lesson. Still, such language is not tolerated here.

His post has been edited. Other posts using his as an excuse to use more of such language have been removed or edited as was deemed fit.

Do not google slurs or disparaging jokes to post here. They will be removed.

 

[julius]

Wow, when did you all become such snowflakes?

 

[tlongII]

Wut

 

[MarAzul]

Yes, they did. Posting slurs of any race, religion, culture, etc on this site are not accepted. Lanny's post has been edited. Reading Lanny's post, I understood he was not using such language to proliferate hate, but to share a valuable lesson. Still, such language is not tolerated here.

His post has been edited. Other posts using his as an excuse to use more of such language have been removed or edited as was deemed fit.

Do not google slurs or disparaging jokes to post here. They will be removed.

Ha!
You lack any wisdom. Not one word in the post you deleted was intended to be a slur on anyone. Simply a little history, and quite apparent you are unaware.

 

[Chris Craig]

Ha!
You lack any wisdom. Not one word in the post you deleted was intended to be a slur on anyone. Simply a little history, and quite apparent you are unaware.

I note both you and Lanny were using it in a historic manner, but such language is not to be used to here.

 

[MarAzul]

I note both you and Lanny were using it in a historic manner, but such language is not to be used to here.

One more step down the tube. People should be aware of the how and why what seems to be a slur to you, came and went.

 

[julius]

One more step down the tube. People should be aware of the how and why what seems to be a slur to you, came and went.

I agree that names/references/slurs used were not against someone, and in context were valid. I wouldn't necessarily have used them, but in the context of what he was talking about, it made sense to use them.

But I also can understand the reason for deleting them, and don't think that it's a big deal.

 

[MarAzul]

I agree that names/references/slurs used were not against someone, and in context were valid. I wouldn't necessarily have used them, but in the context of what he was talking about, it made sense to use them.

But I also can understand the reason for deleting them, and don't think that it's a big deal.

Deleting posts intended to inform can not be a positive.
When you google some of those terms, you get a wrong answer on several.
Lanny's post was loaded with inaccurate information.
For example, the reference to White Nationalist in the 50s is wrong.
"The first documented use of the term "white nationalist" was 1970, according to Merriam-Webster.[16"

 

[Chris Craig]

Deleting posts intended to inform can not be a positive.
When you google some of those terms, you get a wrong answer on several.
Lanny's post was loaded with inaccurate information.
For example, the reference to White Nationalist in the 50s is wrong.
"The first documented use of the term "white nationalist" was 1970, according to Merriam-Webster.[16"

Several others I attempted to correct.

I have no issue with your correcting. Like the N word, those words are not ok to post in any context.

 

[MarAzul]

Like the N word, those words are not ok to post in any context.

I did not use it.

But in any case, your liberal dictator approach is not appreciated by me. You delete posts then pull a reason out of your ass to cover the why.

 

[MarAzul]

But I do understand why you do it. Being an INFJ character you have good intentions where the feelings of others are concerned. Even to flaw of denying them the correct information due to you inferring evil feeling intentions.
It is a processing flaw you need to work on.

Understand it, and adjust. I would be to your benefit and credit.

 

[MarAzul]

I agree that names/references/slurs used were not against someone, and in context were valid. I wouldn't necessarily have used them, but in the context of what he was talking about, it made sense to use them.

But I also can understand the reason for deleting them, and don't think that it's a big deal.

Hey @julius ! I see you are simply a Green Gobal Moderator. When you add a red moderator label to that, does that make a Supreme Moderator?

 

[julius]

Hey @julius ! I see you are simply a Green Gobal Moderator. When you add a red moderator label to that, does that make a Supreme Moderator?

I believe the colors are as follows (I might be incorrect)

Red = mods of individual forums
Burn Orange/Red = Not sure what this title means. I think they're staff members, but like I said I don't know what it means (@BrianFromWA is one of these, he might know)
Purple = Producer. Although I have no clue what that means. I think there's only 1 member with that color, and they haven't been around for over 2 years.
Gold (?) = writer? I'm not sure what this actually means. I don't know if they have editing powers.
Green = can moderate all forums
Blue = admin/owner. The only ones who can delete/ban people. Tho it might just be SlyPoker who can ban people I don't know.


I think as far as ranking, green might be above red? Tho because I'm not 'assigned' this forum and was given a generic assignment (mostly I've kept spammers out and occasionally will delete posts by said spammers), I am not "above" the mods for this individual section of the forum. I.e., I can't undermine their decisions.

 

[MarAzul]

I believe the colors are as follows (I might be incorrect)

Red = mods of individual forums
Burn Orange/Red = Not sure what this title means. I think they're staff members, but like I said I don't know what it means (@BrianFromWA is one of these, he might know)
Purple = Producer. Although I have no clue what that means. I think there's only 1 member with that color, and they haven't been around for over 2 years.
Gold (?) = writer? I'm not sure what this actually means. I don't know if they have editing powers.
Green = can moderate all forums
Blue = admin/owner. The only ones who can delete/ban people. Tho it might just be SlyPoker who can ban people I don't know.


I think as far as ranking, green might be above red? Tho because I'm not 'assigned' this forum and was given a generic assignment (mostly I've kept spammers out and occasionally will delete posts by said spammers), I am not "above" the mods for this individual section of the forum. I.e., I can't undermine their decisions.

Thanks. I am not sure I know more now but thanks anyway. I was surprise here not to long ago when a global Moderator edited my posts. Geez, Denny used to kick his ass daily then he starts editing my post.
This business of people assuming they know what people should do and think is now way over the top. Liberals did not do this all that many years ago. It is pretty new, like in the last 20 to 25 years.

I cringe at some of the miss information they come up with too. Some names for people that are now out, were never intended to cause an affront. Then others were used to meet the need of the day.

Like the correct way to reference a person of Japanese descent. Japanese is not really right, it is Nihonjin. Meaning a person from Nippon. The warriors of WWII were closer to correct in the short version of ***.
No slight intended. I should think that deleting post with information would be avoided by astute moderators.

 

[calvin natt]

 

[barfo]

I believe the colors are as follows (I might be incorrect)

Red = mods of individual forums
Burn Orange/Red = Not sure what this title means. I think they're staff members, but like I said I don't know what it means (@BrianFromWA is one of these, he might know)
Purple = Producer. Although I have no clue what that means. I think there's only 1 member with that color, and they haven't been around for over 2 years.
Gold (?) = writer? I'm not sure what this actually means. I don't know if they have editing powers.
Green = can moderate all forums
Blue = admin/owner. The only ones who can delete/ban people. Tho it might just be SlyPoker who can ban people I don't know.


I think as far as ranking, green might be above red? Tho because I'm not 'assigned' this forum and was given a generic assignment (mostly I've kept spammers out and occasionally will delete posts by said spammers), I am not "above" the mods for this individual section of the forum. I.e., I can't undermine their decisions.

"Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly"
- Roy G. Biv

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Didn't someone get banned for posting the N word in some form or the other?

Is posting a racist joke about Jews ok? Or is it not racist? Just bigoted? Wait, it was anti-semitic..duh

I guess that does add to the discussion. Gonna go google some more jokes like that to post. Be right back.

My post served as an example of how racist Oswego used to be. Your post looks like drivel to me.

 

[Lanny]

"Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly"
- Roy G. Biv

barfo

That's how we learned to color code on resistors first in the Army and then in college. When I started work at Tektronix they used the same saying to teach the color code to new technicians.

 

[Lanny]

"Bad boys rape our young girls but Violet gives willingly"
- Roy G. Biv

barfo

Black, Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Violet, Gray and White. It's been a few decades but I think that's correct.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Didn't someone get banned for posting the N word in some form or the other?

Is posting a racist joke about Jews ok? Or is it not racist? Just bigoted? Wait, it was anti-semitic..duh

I guess that does add to the discussion. Gonna go google some more jokes like that to post. Be right back.

Yes, someone was banned for posting the N word in the game threads. They did it 3 different times. They were warned and asked not to do it anymore, after the 3rd time they were banned.

 

[Lanny]

Yes, someone was banned for posting the N word in the game threads. They did it 3 different times. They were warned and asked not to do it anymore, after the 3rd time they were banned.

Sounds like a reasonable punishment. Me? I would have added a fine so's you and I could go out for drinks. Jack with a Coke back anyone?