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Sorry, my info was from 8am.

I knew he'd testify. I wrote earlier that he would if the congressional committees ask. Or if there's some lawsuit, he'd testify.

He doesn't have to fear losing his job, no matter what he says. Though if he committed a crime, he might not want to admit it :)
 
A solid outlook. The "not my president" crowd is absolutely ridiculous and is just another line to chant for the unemployed people protesting throughout the cities.

His narcissistic need to be liked is what IMO saves him from truly causing harm. I feel like your sentiment about the economy is a bit unfair though, what exactly has Trump done to boost the economy? Besides the stock market bump that occurred when Trump took office, how has he improved anything? Even that bump was hollow, as it was based on nothing but the thought of Trump being "pro-business" and will come down sooner or later. He screams "JOBS JOBS JOBS" but i'd be more likely to believe the economy's improvement is based off of Obama's actions more so than anything Trump has done. Obviously, Republicans never want to give a Democratic President credit (and vice versa), but I've got an open mind and if someone would be able to show me some concrete evidence of ways he has helped the economy I'd love to hear it out and get educated.

Businesses and investors factor the future expectations into today's investments and hiring. They're figuring in tax cuts, less regulations (which have already been happening), and other economic investment proposals.

What speaks to any Trump effect is if the jobs reports are beating expectations, and they are.

FWIW
 
It's not the firing that stinks, it's the timing and surrounding narrative. I can see logical sides to both fire or retain Comey but it's incumbent on us to look past that to see if things pass the smell test.

Basic Timeline (top of head, could be a little off)
Hillary is terrible
Trump wins
Trump and sessions compliment Comey and say he was excellent.
Time passes when logically an FBI director might get fired, he is kept on and complimented.
A probe is launched into how Comey affected the election (report coming)
Sessions recuses himself from election issue such as with trump and Russia and Hillary emails
Comey requests more money to further investigation into Trump campaign/ Russia
Comey fired
Comey was supposed to tesitify as FBI Head
Report expected soon about Comey / election effects.


If Trump had fired Comey in the first month it would have been normal. If Trump had waited till the report on Comey had been issued, it would have been normal. If Comey wasn't embroiled in the Trump/Russia investigation it would have been normal. If Trump haven't cited Sessions as the advisor recommending termination after Sessions had recused, it would have been normal.

Right after announcing he wanted to expand the investation and right before he was expected to testify as FBI director is not normal and should make everyone skeptical
 
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It's not the firing that stinks, it's the timing and surrounding narrative. I can see logical sides to both fire or retain Comey but it's incumbent on us to look past that to see if things pass the smell test.

Basic Timeline (top of head, could be a little off)
Hillary is terrible
Trump wins
Trump and sessions compliment Comey and say he was excellent.
Time passes when logically an FBI director might get fired, he is kept on and complimented.
A probe is launched into how Comey affected the election (report coming)
Sessions recuses himself from election issue such as with trump and Russia and Hillary emails
Comey requests more money to further investigation into Trump campaign/ Russia
Comey fired
Comey was supposed to tesitify as FBI Head
Report expected soon about Comey / election effects.


If Trump had fired Comey in the first month it would have been normal. If Trump had waited till the report on Comey had been issued, it would have been normal. If Comey wasn't. Embroidered in the Trump/Russia investigation it would have been normal. If Trump haven't cited Sessions as the advisor recommending termination after Sessions had recused, it would have been normal.

Right after announcing he wanted to expand the investation and right before he was expected to testify as FBI director is not normal and should make everyone skeptical

Democrats stalled Trump's nominees. The one who Comey worked for (directly reported to) was just confirmed 2 weeks ago. The timing looks like:

Jan 12, 8 days before Trump sworn in: DoJ opens investigation of Comey and how he handled public announcements and other issues.
Feb 1, Rod Rosenstein nominated for Deputy AG
Apr 25, Rosenstein confirmed (two weeks ago, 94-6 - lots of democrats voted for him)
May 3, Comey testifies before Senate Committee
May 9, Comey fired (Rosenstein wanted him fired)

The timing is simply Rosenstein's confirmation, and almost immediately after, he wanted Comey fired and it was done.

Comey's testimony was problematic at best, too. He overstated the number of emails forwarded to the child molester's laptop and the FBI had to clarify that (correct the record). And this may have been the final straw:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/03/politics/comey-loretta-lynch-clinton-tarmac-meeting/

Comey cites Lynch-Clinton meeting for lost faith in Justice investigation

Washington (CNN)Last year's now-infamous airport tarmac meeting between then-Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Bill Clinton was a crucial moment for FBI Director James Comey, he said Wednesday, marking the moment he decided that the Department of Justice was not capable of an independent investigation into Hillary Clinton.

"A number of things had gone on which I can't talk about yet, that made me worry that the department leadership could not credibly complete the investigation and decline prosecution without grievous damage to the American people's confidence in the justice system," Comey said, testifying before the Senate judiciary committee.

"And then the capper was -- and I'm not picking on the attorney general, Loretta Lynch, who I like very much -- but her meeting with President Clinton on that airplane was the capper for me, and I then said, you know what, the department cannot, by itself, credibly end this," he added.


Comey indicated that he was already moving towards a decision to announce the investigation's conclusion on his own because he believed top DOJ officials couldn't do it and be viewed as impartial.

For Comey, Lynch's meeting with Bill Clinton was the last straw.
 
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NY Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/10/...ackage-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

WASHINGTON — By the end, neither of them thought much of the other.

After President Trump accused his predecessor in March of wiretapping him, James B. Comey, the F.B.I. director, was flabbergasted. The president, Mr. Comey told associates, was “outside the realm of normal,” even “crazy.”

For his part, Mr. Trump fumed when Mr. Comey publicly dismissed the sensational wiretapping claim. In the weeks that followed, he grew angrier and began talking about firing Mr. Comey. After stewing last weekend while watching Sunday talk shows at his New Jersey golf resort, Mr. Trump decided it was time. There was “something wrong with” Mr. Comey, he told aides.

The collision between president and F.B.I. director that culminated with Mr. Comey’s stunning dismissal on Tuesday had been a long time coming. To a president obsessed with loyalty, Mr. Comey was a rogue operator who could not be trusted as the F.B.I. investigated Russian ties to Mr. Trump’s campaign. To a lawman obsessed with independence, Mr. Trump was the ultimate loose cannon, making irresponsible claims on Twitter and jeopardizing the bureau’s credibility.

The White House, in a series of shifting and contradictory accounts, first said Mr. Trump decided to fire Mr. Comey because the attorney general and his deputy recommended it. By Wednesday, it had amended the timeline to say that the president had actually been thinking about getting rid of the F.B.I. director as far back as November, after he won the election, and then became “strongly inclined” after Mr. Comey testified before Congress last week.

For public consumption, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, a White House spokeswoman, said on Wednesday that Mr. Trump acted because of the “atrocities” committed by Mr. Comey during last year’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s email. But in private, aides said, Mr. Trump has been nursing a collection of festering grievances, including Mr. Comey’s handling of the Russia investigation, his seeming lack of interest in pursuing anti-Trump leaks and the perceived disloyalty over the wiretapping claim.

“He’d lost confidence in Director Comey and, frankly, he’d been considering letting Director Comey go since the day he was elected,” Ms. Huckabee Sanders said.

Mr. Comey’s fate was sealed by his latest testimony about the bureau’s investigation into Russia’s efforts to sway the 2016 election and the Clinton email inquiry. Mr. Trump burned as he watched, convinced that Mr. Comey was grandstanding. He was particularly irked when Mr. Comey said he was “mildly nauseous” to think that his handling of the email case had influenced the election, which Mr. Trump took to demean his own role in history.

At that point, Mr. Trump began talking about firing him. He and his aides thought they had an opening because Mr. Comey gave an incorrect account of how Huma Abedin, a top adviser to Mrs. Clinton, transferred emails to her husband’s laptop, an account the F.B.I. later corrected.

At first, Mr. Trump, who is fond of vetting his decisions with a wide circle of staff members, advisers and friends, kept his thinking to a small circle, venting his anger to Vice President Mike Pence; the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II; and his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who all told him they generally backed dismissing Mr. Comey.

Another early sounding board was Keith Schiller, Mr. Trump’s longtime director of security and now a member of the White House staff, who would later be tasked with delivering the manila envelope containing Mr. Comey’s letter of dismissal to F.B.I. headquarters, an indication of just how personal the matter was to the president.

The chief strategist Stephen K. Bannon, who has been sharply critical of the F.B.I., questioned whether the time was right to dismiss Mr. Comey, arguing that doing it later would lessen the backlash, and urged him to delay, according to two people familiar with his thinking. Reince Priebus, the White House chief of staff, at one point mulled similar concerns, but was supportive of the move to the president.

The Justice Department began working on Mr. Comey’s dismissal. Attorney General Jeff Sessions instructed his deputies to come up with reasons to fire Mr. Comey, according to a senior American official. On Monday, Mr. Trump met with Mr. Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rod J. Rosenstein. White House officials insisted Mr. Sessions and Mr. Rosenstein were the ones who raised concerns about Mr. Comey with the president and that he told them to put their recommendations in writing.

At the same time, he signaled his thinking on Twitter, essentially calling for the investigation into the Russian meddling to be halted. “The Russia-Trump collusion story is a total hoax, when will this taxpayer funded charade end?” he wrote on Monday afternoon.

Early Tuesday, he made his final decision, keeping many aides in the dark until news of the firing leaked out late in the afternoon. About an hour before the news broke, an administration official joked that the relatively news-free events of Monday and Tuesday represented the start of a much-needed weeklong respite from the staff’s nonstop work over the past few months.

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As the announcement was imminent, Mr. Trump called several congressional leaders from both parties to let them know. He caught Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, on his mobile phone as the lawmaker was walking home after a vote. Mr. Graham told him that a fresh start was good for the F.B.I.

But Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, the Democratic leader who had been harshly critical of Mr. Comey for his conduct during last year’s election, told Mr. Trump it would be a mistake. Mr. Trump seemed surprised by the reaction, possibly assuming that Democrats would be happy to remove the F.B.I. director some blamed for Mrs. Clinton’s loss.

Another Democrat he reached was Senator Dianne Feinstein of California. “When I talked to the president last night,” she recalled, “he said: ‘The department’s a mess. I asked Rosenstein and Sessions to look into it. Rosenstein sent me a memo. I accepted the recommendation to fire him.’”

Mrs. Feinstein noted that Mr. Rosenstein had just been confirmed by the Senate. “I mean, my goodness. This is a man who’s been there for two weeks. So I’m a bit turned off on Mr. Rosenstein.”

In letters released Tuesday evening, Mr. Trump explained the firing by citing Mr. Comey’s handling of the investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s use of a private email server — a justification that was rich in irony, White House officials acknowledged, considering that as recently as two weeks ago, the president appeared at a rally where he was serenaded with chants of “Lock her up!”

On Wednesday, the president and his staff added to their criticism of Mr. Comey’s conduct on the Clinton inquiry to include a wider denunciation of his performance. “He wasn’t doing a good job,” Mr. Trump said.

Yet even in his letter to Mr. Comey, the president mentioned the Russia inquiry, writing that “I greatly appreciate you informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation.” And that reflected, White House aides said, what they conceded had been his obsession over the investigation Mr. Trump believes is threatening his larger agenda.

The White House was rocked by the backlash to the announcement. Three senior White House officials conceded that its public explanation was an unmitigated mess, blaming the communications shop, with one describing it as the “weakest” element of the West Wing.

Looking back, the two men may have been destined to clash. Five days after Mr. Trump was elected, he said in an interview on CBS’s “60 Minutes” that he had not made up his mind about keeping Mr. Comey. But during the transition, Mr. Trump and his aides asked Mr. Comey to remain on as director.

Despite Mr. Trump’s apparent endorsement, Mr. Comey remained skeptical about his future. He believed his unwillingness to put loyalty to Mr. Trump over his role as F.B.I. director could ultimately lead to his ouster.

“With a president who seems to prize personal loyalty above all else and a director with absolute commitment to the Constitution and pursuing investigations wherever the evidence led, a collision was bound to happen,” Daniel C. Richman, a close Comey adviser and former federal prosecutor, said on Wednesday.

Still, according to associates, Mr. Comey thought the president was unlikely to get rid of him because that might be interpreted as a conclusion that the F.B.I. director was wrong to announce shortly before the election that he was re-examining the email case, which would call into question the legitimacy of Mr. Trump’s victory.

While Mr. Trump publicly insisted that he had confidence in Mr. Comey, the hostility toward the F.B.I. director in the West Wing in recent weeks was palpable, aides said, with advisers describing an almost ritualistic need to criticize the Russia investigation to assuage an anxious and angry president.

Roger J. Stone Jr., a longtime informal adviser to Mr. Trump who has been under F.B.I. scrutiny as part of the Russia inquiry, was among those who urged the president to fire Mr. Comey, people briefed on the discussions said.

Mr. Trump denied on Twitter on Wednesday morning that he had spoken to Mr. Stone about the F.B.I. director, and Mr. Stone declined to describe his interactions with the president in an interview. But two longtime Trump associates with knowledge of the matter said the two had recently discussed their dissatisfaction with Mr. Comey and his inquiry.

Whatever the specifics, Mr. Stone ultimately reflected the president’s view of Mr. Comey. As Mr. Stone put it shortly after the dismissal became public on Tuesday, “There was a sense in the White House, I believe, that enough was enough when it came to this guy.”
 
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This is again confirmed byRon Wyden today on NPR. I was not wrong.

The acting FBI director is taking Comey's place on Thursday to report on security issues.

Comey is invited to testify on Thursday in closed door session.

Yates and Clapper both testified and they don't work for the government anymore. There's nothing to keep Comey from testifying except Comey himself.
 
Businesses and investors factor the future expectations into today's investments and hiring
I heard Soros lecture on business at a seminar once and he said....follow wars and tragedy and buy everything...basically what he did after Milosovic lost the Serbian Bosnian Croatian war....he bought every hotel and real estate property he could..he did it in Jakarta after they revolted against the Chinese business owners...(50000 Chinese killed or raped and it never made the news feed in the states)......business often thrives during wartime...as in arms manufacturing ...loss of life in wartime makes employment numbers look better on the homefront.....not all business speculation is considerate of a sensible path or stable society with which to profit from. Some of the most dangerous political leaders are property development moguls......go figure eh?
 
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The acting FBI director is taking Comey's place on Thursday to report on security issues.

Comey is invited to testify on Thursday in closed door session.

Yates and Clapper both testified and they don't work for the government anymore. There's nothing to keep Comey from testifying except Comey himself.
This is going to be interesting and without a muzzle...Comey could actually hurt the people who wanted to sweep him under the rug
 
This is going to be interesting and without a muzzle...Comey could actually hurt the people who wanted to sweep him under the rug

He's going to say what he's going to say. Good for him.

I hope he tells the truth.
 
That interview, wow. Of course Trump is now saying he was going to fire Comey regardless of Rosenstein's recommendation. No matter how respected Rosenstein is, he reports directly to Sessions. This all stinks.
 
I dare anyone to even say that he doesnt look like he is lying his fucking ass of throughout that interview lol. He looks like a dude got caught cheating and is just letting shit fly to not get caught. :lol:

Buh. Foon.
Exactly what I thought. He's so obviously LYING it's almost funny. Can't wait (I hope) to hear Comey's version of these supposed phone calls and dinner.

I also like how Trump made a very clear distinction between his campaign possibly being under investigation vs Trump himself. Sounds like there's a fall guy already in place. Everything about this dude, and the people he surrounds himself with, are rotten to the core. I don't understand how others don't see it.
 
Exactly what I thought. He's so obviously LYING it's almost funny. Can't wait (I hope) to hear Comey's version of these supposed phone calls and dinner.

I also like how Trump made a very clear distinction between his campaign possibly being under investigation vs Trump himself. Sounds like there's a fall guy already in place. Everything about this dude, and the people he surrounds himself with, are rotten to the core. I don't understand how others don't see it.

people dont like to admit they were wrong, but they REALLY dont like to admit they were fooled.
 
Well, if the R's continue to back Trump they will lose the senate and house. If the don't back Trump, they lose their agenda and perhaps the President. We will see.
 
Only seven days after Donald J. Trump was sworn in as president, James B. Comey has told associates, the F.B.I. director was summoned to the White House for a one-on-one dinner with the new commander in chief.

The conversation that night in January, Mr. Comey now believes, was a harbinger of his downfall this week as head of the F.B.I., according to two people who have heard his account of the dinner.

As they ate, the president and Mr. Comey made small talk about the election and the crowd sizes at Mr. Trump’s rallies. The president then turned the conversation to whether Mr. Comey would pledge his loyalty to him.

Mr. Comey declined to make that pledge. Instead, Mr. Comey has recounted to others, he told Mr. Trump that he would always be honest with him, but that he was not “reliable” in the conventional political sense.



The White House says this account is not correct. And Mr. Trump, in an interview on Thursday with NBC, described a far different dinner conversation with Mr. Comey in which the director asked to have the meeting and the question of loyalty never came up. It was not clear whether he was talking about the same meal, but they are believed to have had only one dinner together.

By Mr. Comey’s account, his answer to Mr. Trump’s initial question apparently did not satisfy the president, the associates said. Later in the dinner, Mr. Trump again said to Mr. Comey that he needed his loyalty.

Mr. Comey again replied that he would give him “honesty” and did not pledge his loyalty, according to the account of the conversation.

But Mr. Trump pressed him on whether it would be “honest loyalty.”

“You will have that,” Mr. Comey told his associates he responded.

Throughout his career, Mr. Trump has made loyalty from the people who work for him a key priority, often discharging employees he considers insufficiently reliable.

As described by the two people, the dinner offers a window into Mr. Trump’s approach to the presidency, through Mr. Comey’s eyes. A businessman and reality television star who never served in public office, Mr. Trump may not have understood that by tradition, F.B.I. directors are not supposed to be political loyalists, which is why Congress in the 1970s passed a law giving them 10-year terms to make them independent of the president.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/11/us/politics/trump-comey-firing.html
 
Comey infuriated Trump with refusal to preview Senate testimony: aides

The anger behind Donald Trump's firing of FBI Director James Comey on Tuesday had been building for months, but a turning point came when Comey refused to preview for top Trump aides his planned testimony to a Senate panel, White House officials said.

Trump, Attorney General Jeff Sessions and deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had wanted a heads-up from Comey about what he would say at a May 3 hearing about his handling of an investigation into former Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server.

When Comey refused, Trump and his aides considered that an act of insubordination and it was one of the catalysts to Trump’s decision this week to fire the FBI director, the officials said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-comey-decision-idUSKBN1862WP?il=0
 

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