Politics Trump fires Comey

[kingslayer]

Well Sherlock, read my post above. I have no doubt at all, this piss the President off no end. The fool stated before congress he was investigating Trump and refuse to offer any evidence as to why?
I can't imagine how the nitwit expected to be able to hang a black cloud over the President like that with no creditable evidence to support the action Then he expect a licence to fish for as long as he wishes? The fucker had to be fired! This is way worse than assuming the AG's role in the Clinton investigation.

And you see nothing wrong with that?

The fact that Trump (initially) and his administration DENIED the Russia investigation had anything to do with it says it all. It is not the president's job to determine whether an FBI investigation is legitimate or not. Let the damn process play out.

 

[MarAzul]

And you see nothing wrong with that?

The fact that Trump (initially) and his administration DENIED the Russia investigation had anything to do with it says it all. It is not the president's job to determine whether an FBI investigation is legitimate or not. Let the damn process play out.

We shall see what a new bright mind does. I seriously doubt he/she will expect a permanent fishing license comes with the appointment. They will find there is evidence or there is none damn soon.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why would you believe that, but not this:

https://etherzone.com/body/

(I think they're both B.S. - quite consistent)

 

[The Professional Fan]

Why would you believe that, but not this:

https://etherzone.com/body/

(I think they're both B.S. - quite consistent)

I'm not talking about Clinton, I did not vote for Clinton, I do not like Clinton, stop making this about Clinton.

 

[Chris Craig]

Plus Trump is alluding to recordings. Does he have tapes like Nixon did? How stupid can he be?

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not talking about Clinton, I did not vote for Clinton, I do not like Clinton, stop making this about Clinton.

I'm not talking about Clinton either, just the crazy conspiracy theories that are in common between the two.

I ask why you'd believe one but not the other?

Smoke = fire, after all!

 

[Denny Crane]

Plus Trump is alluding to recordings. Does he have tapes like Nixon did? How stupid can he be?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house-july-dec97-lbj_10-14/
http://jfk14thday.com/jfk-tapes/
http://nixontapes.org/
https://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/library/av_materials.phtml#whca
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/10/ronald-reagan-on-audio-newly-surfaced-tapes-reveal/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...show-Bush-is-not-anti-gay-but-did-inhale.html

&c

 

[MarAzul]

It is not the president's job to determine whether an FBI

Oh, but it is.
Probably only the President can fire the the quy. Perhaps the AG but normal business practices require two levels.
That would be the AG and the President.
The process was followed. Now we see if a new Director can navigate the waters and layout a direct course.

 

[Chris Craig]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house-july-dec97-lbj_10-14/
http://jfk14thday.com/jfk-tapes/
http://nixontapes.org/
https://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/library/av_materials.phtml#whca
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/10/ronald-reagan-on-audio-newly-surfaced-tapes-reveal/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...show-Bush-is-not-anti-gay-but-did-inhale.html

&c

I don't think I would use recordings/have tapes if I were president. If I did there wouldn't be anything interesting on them probably. Then again maybe I would because I'd like to think id be a very transparent president. Not that I'm ever going to be the president.

Trump recording conversations maybe very interesting to hear. It'd be funny if the voice he uses in public and his rambling way of speaking were fake, and he sounded completely different in private.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think I would use recordings/have tapes if I were president. If I did there wouldn't be anything interesting on them probably. Then again maybe I would because I'd like to think id be a very transparent president. Not that I'm ever going to be the president.

Trump recording conversations maybe very interesting to hear. It'd be funny if the voice he uses in public and his rambling way of speaking were fake, and he sounded completely different in private.

I'm just pointing out that there probably is a recording system in the white house. I don't think Obama used it, FWIW. Or maybe he did. He says he didn't.

I don't see Trump's tweet as a threat, but more of a "I may be able to back up what I said with recordings" and that Comey might want to think long and hard about what might be on those tapes.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm just pointing out that there probably is a recording system in the white house. I don't think Obama used it, FWIW. Or maybe he did. He says he didn't.

I don't see Trump's tweet as a threat, but more of a "I may be able to back up what I said with recordings" and that Comey might want to think long and hard about what might be on those tapes.

Of course you dont

 

[Chris Craig]

The law firm that represents Trump also has extensive ties to Russia. It even recieved a Russia law firm of the year award in 2016...

 

[Denny Crane]

Of course you dont

A threat is something of the form: "If you don't do X, I'm going to do Y"

I don't see "or else" in what Trump tweeted.

Do I think it was foolish of him to post this tweet? Yep.

 

[The Professional Fan]

 

[Chris Craig]

A threat is something of the form: "If you don't do X, I'm going to do Y"

I don't see "or else" in what Trump tweeted.

Do I think it was foolish of him to post this tweet? Yep.

I hope so and so remembers those conversations I taped before they open their mouth is an implied threat in the very least if not an open one. It's blackmail

 

[The Professional Fan]

The law firm that represents Trump also has extensive ties to Russia. It even recieved a Russia law firm of the year award in 2016...

Don't forget, this is the same Law Firm that released that letter yesterday exclaiming that Trump has very little ties to Russia.

Here's my question. If the dude really has nothing to hide, at all, and there's ZERO evidence of Russia collusion within the then Trump campaign or his admin, then WHY doesn't he release his tax returns? ZERO evidence. NOTHING TO HIDE? IT'S ALL A FANTASY! FAKE NEWS!

Release them then, you fuckin' crook.

 

[MarAzul]

I hired a Russian immigrant once.
Not so sure it was a good decision but does that jeopardize my standing as a loyal American?

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-taxes-russia-idUSKBN18827K

Morgan Lewis, a global law firm with 30 offices in cities around the world including New York and Moscow, was named Russia Law Firm of the Year in 2016 by London-based Chambers and Partners, a firm that ranks lawyers and law firms.

 

[Chris Craig]

And the Russians are laughing and saying this is going to end very soon. I can imagine Putin calling Trump, "(Russian accent) Donny Boy you must take care of this quickly okay my friend."

 

[MarAzul]

WHY doesn't he release his tax returns?

Heh? What has this to do with Hillary's loss, the Russians or the Chinese?
Perhaps your hate? Try talking to a priest, it might help.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Heh? What has this to do with Hillary's lose, the Russians or the Chinese?
Perhaps your hate? Try talking to a priest, it might help.

No thanks.

 

[Denny Crane]

Don't forget, this is the same Law Firm that released that letter yesterday exclaiming that Trump has very little ties to Russia.

Here's my question. If the dude really has nothing to hide, at all, and there's ZERO evidence of Russia collusion within the then Trump campaign or his admin, then WHY doesn't he release his tax returns? ZERO evidence. NOTHING TO HIDE? IT'S ALL A FANTASY! FAKE NEWS!

Release them then, you fuckin' crook.

Please show me on any blank tax for where you think there'd be useful information to support any collusion.

This one has the detailed list of his holdings and properties, income sources and amounts, required by election law, he signed it, and likely under penalty of purjery:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html

 

[MarAzul]

And the Russians are laughing and saying this is going to end very soon. I can imagine Putin calling Trump, "(Russian accent) Donny Boy you must take care of this quickly okay my friend."

Actually, I fear we are giving the Russian much more success than they deserve.

 

[Denny Crane]

I hope so and so remembers those conversations I taped before they open their mouth is an implied threat in the very least if not an open one. It's blackmail

There's nothing to blackmail if Comey tells the truth. I'm not seeing that Trump has anything to blackmail him with.

Blackmail would be "I have evidence on tape you committed a crime, so you better tow the line or I'll release it."

 

[riverman]

Ha! Perhaps you have some salvage value.

You buying up old americans? I'm not quite out to pasture yet but of your entire post....I salvaged the part about how poorly the govt is being run....you're welcome!!!!

 

[riverman]

I hired a Russian immigrant once.
Not so sure it was a good decision but does that jeopardize my standing as a loyal American?

depends on where her pimp banked the money

 

[The Professional Fan]

Please show me on any blank tax for where you think there'd be useful information to support any collusion.

This one has the detailed list of his holdings and properties, income sources and amounts, required by election law, he signed it, and likely under penalty of purjery:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2838696-Trump-2016-Financial-Disclosure.html

It's a start. Again, if he has nothing to hide, why not release them? Can you answer that?

"If Trump's returns were ever released -- how much the public would learn depends on what parts of his returns come out.For instance, the top two pages alone won't reveal his foreign ties.Even his full return -- including schedules and attached forms -- may not definitively resolve concerns about hisforeign business relationships.But they could point to other information -- such as who else invests in his partnerships -- that could help answer questions."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/14/news/economy/trump-tax-returns/

 

[Chris Craig]

Either because he is guilty as shit and has many ties with Russia which is probably correct

Or he isn't nearly as rich as he makes himself out to be and in fact has tons of debt which he will now pay off with presidential favors is also probably true

Or both which is almost certainly true

Or...wait...Hillary Clinton...its all Hillary...fake news...if you ask anybody...fake news...very fake...so fake

 

[Denny Crane]

It's a start. Again, if he has nothing to hide, why not release them? Can you answer that?

"If Trump's returns were ever released -- how much the public would learn depends on what parts of his returns come out.For instance, the top two pages alone won't reveal his foreign ties.Even his full return -- including schedules and attached forms -- may not definitively resolve concerns about hisforeign business relationships.But they could point to other information -- such as who else invests in his partnerships -- that could help answer questions."

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/14/news/economy/trump-tax-returns/

Even his full return -- including schedules and attached forms -- may not definitively resolve concerns about his foreign business relationships

Exactly right.

If there were something illegal going on, it wouldn't be reported on any tax return.

He's under no obligation to release his tax returns. I wish he would to shut everyone up who have some desperate need to see them.

My suspicion is that the left and media accomplices would go through them with a fine tooth comb and negatively spin anything they can find.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here's something to consider. Are we really sure it was the Russians who did the hack?

Thanks to WikiLeaks.

Why should we trust the CIA/NSA et al? They spy on us and lie about it. They've overthrown foreign governments. They spied on our allies. They have used viruses against at least Iran (nuclear program) and N. Korea.

They have the ability to leave behind "fingerprints" of any foreign government they choose, to shift the blame on that government.

Why not believe this conspiracy theory? My take is that the evidence is inconclusive, but maybe the government has some actual proof that they won't share.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...-capable-cyber-false-flag-attack-blame-russia

According to a Wikileaks press release, the 8,761 newly published files came from the CIA’s Center for Cyber Intelligence (CCI) in Langley, Virginia. The release says that the UMBRAGE group, a subdivision of the center’s Remote Development Branch (RDB), has been collecting and maintaining a “substantial library of attack techniques ‘stolen’ from malware produced in other states, including the Russian Federation.”

As Wikileaks notes, the UMBRAGE group and its related projects allow the CIA to misdirect the attribution of cyber attacks by “leaving behind the ‘fingerprints’ of the very groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.”​

While a major motivating factor in the CIA’s use of UMBRAGE is to cover it tracks, events over the past few months suggest that UMBRAGE may have been used for other, more nefarious purposes. After the outcome of the 2016 U.S. presidential election shocked many within the U.S. political establishment and corporate-owned media, the CIA emerged claiming that Russia mounted a “covert intelligence operation” to help Donald Trump edge out his rival Hillary Clinton.

...


Incidentally, the U.S. intelligence community’s assertions that Russia used cyber-attacks to interfere with the election overshadowed reports that the U.S. government had actually been responsible for several hacking attempts that targeted state election systems. For instance, the state of Georgia reported numerous hacking attempts on its election agencies’ networks, nearly all of which were traced back to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Now that the CIA has been shown to not only have the capability but also the express intention of replacing the “fingerprint” of cyber-attacks it conducts with those of another state actor, the CIA’s alleged evidence that Russia hacked the U.S. election – or anything else for that matter – is immediately suspect. There is no longer any way to determine if the CIA’s proof of Russian hacks on U.S. infrastructure is legitimate, as it could very well be a “false flag” attack.​