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ABM said:
I'll vote the Republican candidate that most aligns with my values. Not one Democratic candidate supports right-to-life. Therefore, they're all disqualified.

As previously mentioned more than once, if John Kasich could somehow emerge to become a viable candidate, I'd certainly vote for him. He's fiscally responsible and level-headed, along with supporting, and enacting laws pertaining to, my moral values.
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You won’t vote Dem because they aren’t right to life, but you’re all-in on the party that puts kids in cages and won’t give them shampoo and soap?
 
calvin natt said:
You won’t vote Dem because they aren’t right to life, but you’re all-in on the party that puts kids in cages and won’t give them shampoo and soap?
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Don't think for a second that Congress doesn't share in all of this.
 
ABM said:
Don't think for a second that Congress doesn't share in all of this.
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That still makes it hypocritical. “Well they do it too” isn’t an excuse. Although it sure seems more Democrats want to end the separation of kids and their parents. But maybe I’m crazy.
 
What do you need to buy from China?
I can't think of a thing I need. So actually, therefore, I will not buy anything from China until we have a proper trade deal.

If, We do not need anything from China, who will replace the US market for China's goods?
Right!
They will deal.
 
ABM said:
I'll vote the Republican candidate that most aligns with my values. Not one Democratic candidate supports right-to-life. Therefore, they're all disqualified.

As previously mentioned more than once, if John Kasich could somehow emerge to become a viable candidate, I'd certainly vote for him. He's fiscally responsible and level-headed, along with supporting, and enacting laws pertaining to, my moral values.
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I'll be honest "right to life" is sort of important to me too. Early term abortions, like I "get it", but mid/late-term I really struggle with saying oh it's the woman's body so do whatever they want because in my mind I have seen premature babies grow up to be normal, but you can't just vote on one issue in my mind. A candidate might be, "right to life", or "pro-choice" and do nothing in there tenure to support or hinder that particular cause. Just because that is something they put on a bumper sticker, there is more to do in government than handle abortion rights. I feel like you can't just take one issue put a line in the sand and then ignore all their other stances. It's the same for war, anti-war, equal-rights, etc, etc, there are a lot of important issues that should affect who we would vote for.

Hard for me to reconcile, I choose "right to life", but I'm ok with supporting making those kids also live terrible lives without much hope, without even the basic necessities.

I get that some issues are more important to different people, we all have different perspectives but have to be willing to listen to an entire person and see them for more than one issue or opinion.
 
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I'll be honest "right to life" is sort of important to me too. Early term abortions, like I "get it", but mid/late-term I really struggle with saying oh it's the woman's body so do whatever they want because in my mind I have seen premature babies grow up to be normal, but you can't just vote on one issue in my mind. A candidate might be, "right to life", or "pro-choice" and do nothing in there tenure to support or hinder that particular cause. Just because that is something they put on a bumper sticker, there is more to do in government than handle abortion rights. I feel like you can't just take one issue put a line in the sand and then ignore all their other stances. It's the same for war, anti-war, equal-rights, etc, etc, there are a lot of important issues that should affect who we would vote for.

Hard for me to reconcile, I choose "right to life", but I'm ok with supporting making those kids also live terrible lives without much hope, without even the basic necessities.

I get that some issues are more important to different people, we all have different perspectives but have to be willing to listen to an entire person and see them for more than one issue or opinion.
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That's just it, a president has very little to do with whether the United States is pro life or pro choice and to hang your hat on that one issue and ignore all the garbage that trump brings with him seems rather hypocritical and more excuse than reason.
 
CupWizier said:
That's just it, a president has very little to do with whether the United States is pro life or pro choice and to hang your hat on that one issue and ignore all the garbage that trump brings with him seems rather hypocritical and more excuse than reason.
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Immigration is a very complex issue and, for sure, Trump has taken a pretty hard line. I do believe he's making a conscientious effort to keep riff-raft out of our country. That said, he needs to continue to work with Congress to find better solutions. OTOH, what if America sent thousands of our less-than-fortunate to, say, Sweden's borders, wanting to get in and live. Do you think they'd accept us with open arms? Immigration is a complete Catch-22, IMO.
 
CupWizier said:
That's just it, a president has very little to do with whether the United States is pro life or pro choice and to hang your hat on that one issue and ignore all the garbage that trump brings with him seems rather hypocritical and more excuse than reason.
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Yep, because if you honestly think that Trump was the first candidate to be pro life (which I honestly doubt he is), you'd be delusional. Yet nothing has changed. so using that as a crutch is wasted energy.
 
MarAzul said:
What do you need to buy from China?
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computers, phones, other electronics, clothing...

I can't think of a thing I need. So actually, therefore, I will not buy anything from China until we have a proper trade deal.
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Cool.

If, We do not need anything from China, who will replace the US market for China's goods?
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The premise is faulty, but to answer the question anyway: to some extent, the rest of the world, and China's growing domestic market.

Less than 20% of China's exports go to the USA. Losing 20% would hurt a lot, but it won't kill them.

Right!
They will deal.
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Of course they'll deal. They are rational actors, unlike our current head of state. But they'll take full advantage of the weak hand on the other side of the table.

barfo
 
ABM said:
Immigration is a very complex issue and, for sure, Trump has taken a pretty hard line. I do believe he's making a conscientious effort to keep riff-raft out of our country. That said, he needs to continue to work with Congress to find better solutions. OTOH, what if America sent thousands of our less-than-fortunate to, say, Sweden's borders, wanting to get in and live. Do you think they'd accept us with open arms? Immigration is a complete Catch-22, IMO.
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ABM, it's not even really his policies that bother me the most. It's his constant lies, his constant pandering to our adversaries and putting down our allies, his personal attacks on individuals and groups and calling members of the United States as the enemy (basically anyone that disagrees with him). Listening to many of his speeches it is rather obvious the man has no clue and isn't very bright with often wandering off subject and constantly repeating the same thing over and over again. If that's what you want in a leader then your standards are well below mine.
 
barfo said:
computers, phones, other electronics, clothing...



Cool.



The premise is faulty, but to answer the question anyway: to some extent, the rest of the world, and China's growing domestic market.

Less than 20% of China's exports go to the USA. Losing 20% would hurt a lot, but it won't kill them.



Of course they'll deal. They are rational actors, unlike our current head of state. But they'll take full advantage of the weak hand on the other side of the table.

barfo
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What hand did the other administrations play? Im not supporting Trump but I do support standing up to China and expecting a fair and equable trade arrangement, that simply hasn't happen under any other administration. If you were to sell your home or any asset would you take a low ball offer, or would you want market price or better.
 
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CupWizier said:
ABM, it's not even really his policies that bother me the most. It's his constant lies, his constant pandering to our adversaries and putting down our allies, his personal attacks on individuals and groups and calling members of the United States as the enemy (basically anyone that disagrees with him). Listening to many of his speeches it is rather obvious the man has no clue and isn't very bright with often wandering off subject and constantly repeating the same thing over and over again. If that's what you want in a leader then your standards are well below mine.
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I already said, if it came down to it, Kasich is my guy.

By the way, which Democratic candidate are you supporting the most?
 
Hoopguru said:
What hand did the other administrations play? Im not supporting Trump but I do support standing up to China and expecting a fair and equable trade arrangement, that simply hasn't happen under any other administration. If you were to sell your home or any asset wouldn't you take a low ball offer or would you want market price?
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The hand other administrations played, and the right way to play it, is to unite as many other countries as you can against China. Strengthen your trade ties with all of the allies. Show China that they lose trade everywhere by not complying, not just with the US.

Going it alone against China is stupid. Simultaneously declaring trade wars against your allies is even stupider.

barfo
 
ABM said:
I already said, if it came down to it, Kasich is my guy.

By the way, which Democratic candidate are you supporting the most
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Anyone but trump. No meed to decide on a candidate as i can't vote in the primarys and lots of time to decide between now and the general election.
 
barfo said:
The hand other administrations played, and the right way to play it, is to unite as many other countries as you can against China. Strengthen your trade ties with all of the allies. Show China that they lose trade everywhere by not complying, not just with the US.

Going it alone against China is stupid. Simultaneously declaring trade wars against your allies is even stupider.

barfo
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They are a communist country and the government controls industries and how they go to market. The pray on weakness and you know it.
Then how did that the Clinton, Bush, Obama administrations rally support from European buds and get a fair and equitable deal with China?
Why were so many American and Allied countries business moving to set up shop in China? Because of concerted Allied love and fairness to them?
 
CupWizier said:
Anyone but trump. No meed to decide on a candidate as i can't vote in the primarys and lots of time to decide between now and the general election.
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That's cool.
 
Hoopguru said:
They are a communist country and the government controls industries and how they go to market. The pray on weakness and you know it.
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That is correct. And the current administration is very weak, and getting weaker.

Then how did that the Clinton, Bush, Obama administrations rally support from European buds and get a fair and equitable deal with China?
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By being allies with our allies, not enemies. Not trying to antagonize them at every step. Entering into, rather than backing out of, multi-lateral agreements.

You know, diplomacy.

Why were so many American and Allied countries business moving to set up shop in China? Because of concerted Allied love and fairness to them?
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Because it's cheap labor, and lots of it. Offshoring of jobs is kind of a different issue than trading with China, which I think is the current topic of discussion.

There's nothing wrong with trading with China, if you believe in capitalism. We have money, they have stuff we want to buy, they offer an attractive price.

There are some real issues around intellectual property theft and human rights and offshoring, but having a trade deficit with China is really not something to worry about.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That is correct. And the current administration is very weak, and getting weaker.



By being allies with our allies, not enemies. Not trying to antagonize them at every step. Entering into, rather than backing out of, multi-lateral agreements.

You know, diplomacy.



Because it's cheap labor, and lots of it. Offshoring of jobs is kind of a different issue than trading with China, which I think is the current topic of discussion.

There's nothing wrong with trading with China, if you believe in capitalism. We have money, they have stuff we want to buy, they offer an attractive price.

There are some real issues around intellectual property theft and human rights and offshoring, but having a trade deficit with China is really not something to worry about.

barfo
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Nothing wrong with trading with China at all as long as they are fair with their markets and tariffs. I don't see where past multi lateral diplomacy with them has produced anything close to fair.
If they allow American cars in their markets and a comparable tariff, I would call that progress. If they allow American companies to outright own business in all market segments, like we do them here, that also would be progress. If they don't come to the table than there are always other trading options.
So, Germany can slap a much lager tariff on an American car, where we allow their BMW's to come in here virtually tariff free? you think that is being partner Allie in business? I don't.
 
ABM said:
I'll vote the Republican candidate that most aligns with my values. Not one Democratic candidate supports right-to-life. Therefore, they're all disqualified.

As previously mentioned more than once, if John Kasich could somehow emerge to become a viable candidate, I'd certainly vote for him. He's fiscally responsible and level-headed, along with supporting, and enacting laws pertaining to, my moral values.
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I guarantee you Trump has been involved in multiple abortions. I have zero doubt about it. He isn't a christian. He does not share your values whatsoever. You've been conned by a dumb person.
 
The Professional Fan said:
I guarantee you Trump has been involved in multiple abortions. I have zero doubt about it. He isn't a christian. He does not share your values whatsoever. You've been conned by a dumb person.
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Regardless, he's been wise/shrewd enough to surround himself with Pence and Pompeo, each of whom I admire.
 
An inordinate amount of posters in here seem to be Christians, and often times those Christians are conservative. I think in the nation it is safe to say that the majority of Christians are also conservative. This, I find reprehensible and hypocritical, this self-serving cherry-picking of biblical "principles." For this reason, the United States is mired and will continue to be mired by bullshit debates based on scripture and whatever else. Fuck off already; you're holding us back. President "Chosen One," Trump, the literal antithesis of so-called Christian values, is the absolute perfect candidate to show the Christian Right how hypocritical they are, a repulsive embodiment of all things NOT Christian. And yet, he is only showing the rest of us how unprincipled and hypocritical the Christian Right are. It is incredible. I'm sure this will not be a popular take, but I give no shits, I want all this Jesus stuff the fuck out of my government.
 
ABM said:
Regardless, he's been wise/shrewd enough to surround himself with Pence and Pompeo, each of whom I admire.
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It's interesting that both of the people you admire are the most obsequious ass-kissers in the administration. Coincidence, or is that a trait you are particularly drawn to?

barfo
 
ABM said:
Understood. I was voting against Hillary. That said, I don't vote Democrat.....period.
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That was the only time the Libertarian Party had a chance to make a statement and establish a strong third party position.
 
Hoopguru said:
Nothing wrong with trading with China at all as long as they are fair with their markets and tariffs. I don't see where past multi lateral diplomacy with them has produced anything close to fair.
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Well, that's pretty much the whole theory of the Trump presidency, isn't it? Smart people have failed to make the world perfect, so let's let stupid people try stupid ideas!

What the hell do you have to lose?

barfo
 
Propagandist said:
An inordinate amount of posters in here seem to be Christians, and often times those Christians are conservative. I think in the nation it is safe to say that the majority of Christians are also conservative. This, I find reprehensible and hypocritical, this self-serving cherry-picking of biblical "principles." For this reason, the United States is mired and will continue to be mired by bullshit debates based on scripture and whatever else. Fuck off already; you're holding us back. President "Chosen One," Trump, the literal antithesis of so-called Christian values, is the absolute perfect candidate to show the Christian Right how hypocritical they are, a repulsive embodiment of all things NOT Christian. And yet, he is only showing the rest of us how unprincipled and hypocritical the Christian Right are. It is incredible. I'm sure this will not be a popular take, but I give no shits, I want all this Jesus stuff the fuck out of my government.
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Boom
 
Propagandist said:
An inordinate amount of posters in here seem to be Christians, and often times those Christians are conservative. I think in the nation it is safe to say that the majority of Christians are also conservative. This, I find reprehensible and hypocritical, this self-serving cherry-picking of biblical "principles." For this reason, the United States is mired and will continue to be mired by bullshit debates based on scripture and whatever else. Fuck off already; you're holding us back. President "Chosen One," Trump, the literal antithesis of so-called Christian values, is the absolute perfect candidate to show the Christian Right how hypocritical they are, a repulsive embodiment of all things NOT Christian. And yet, he is only showing the rest of us how unprincipled and hypocritical the Christian Right are. It is incredible. I'm sure this will not be a popular take, but I give no shits, I want all this Jesus stuff the fuck out of my government.
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An inordinate amount? I beg to differ.

And I think it's fair to say that on this board, there is only one staunchly pro-Trump poster who is also a Christian.
 
it was a tounge in cheek remark jesus fucking christ people
 
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