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President Trump called in a new interview for the Republican Party to “nationalize” voting in the United States, an aggressive rhetorical step that was likely to raise new worries about his administration’s efforts to involve itself in election matters as he and his allies continue to make false claims about his 2020 defeat.

During an extended monologue about immigration on a podcast released on Monday by Dan Bongino, his former deputy F.B.I. director, Mr. Trump called for Republican officials to “take over” voting procedures in 15 states, though he did not name them.

“The Republicans should say, ‘We want to take over,’” he said. “We should take over the voting, the voting in at least many — 15 places. The Republicans ought to nationalize the voting.”

Under the Constitution, American elections are governed primarily by state law, leading to a decentralized process in which voting is administered by county and municipal officials in thousands of precincts across the country. Mr. Trump, however, has long been fixated on the false claims that U.S. elections are rife with fraud and that Democrats are perpetrating a vast conspiracy to have undocumented immigrants vote and lift the party’s turnout.

Mr. Trump’s remarkable call for a political party to seize the mechanisms of voting follows a string of moves from his administration to try to exert more control over American elections.

Last week, F.B.I. agents seized ballots and other voting records from the 2020 election from an election center in Fulton County, Ga., where his allies have for years pursued false claims of election fraud. The New York Times reported on Monday that Mr. Trump had spoken on the phone to the F.B.I. agents involved in the Fulton County raid, praising and thanking them.

The Justice Department, which has been newly politicized under Mr. Trump, is demanding that numerous states, including Minnesota, turn over their full voter rolls as the Trump administration tries to build a national voter file.

In March, Mr. Trump signed an executive order that tried to make significant changes to the electoral process, including requiring documentary proof of citizenship and demanding that all mail ballots be received by the time polls close on Election Day. But that effort has largely been rebuffed by courts.

On social media, Mr. Trump has pushed for even more drastic changes. In August, he wrote that he wanted to end the use of mail-in ballots and potentially the use of voting machines.

The president’s claims of election fraud have been debunked over and over, by both independent reviews and Republican officials. A review of the 2024 election by the Trump administration that began last year had found little evidence of widespread voting fraud by noncitizens as of last month, The Times reported.

Mr. Trump’s escalated remarks about elections come at a moment when Democrats have outperformed the G.O.P. in a series of contests. New Jersey and Virginia elected Democratic governors in landslides in November, and on Saturday, a Democrat won a special election for a Texas State Senate seat by 14 percentage points in a district Mr. Trump had carried by 17 points in 2024, an enormous swing.

Sensing that Republicans were vulnerable to the traditional midterm backlash against the party in power, Mr. Trump last year kick-started an extraordinary effort to gerrymander congressional maps to give his party an edge. The push, which started in Texas but has since expanded to both Democratic- and Republican-controlled states, became a central part of the president’s midterm strategy.

Mr. Trump has made little secret of his interest in expanding the federal government’s role in administering American elections. Last month, he told The Times that he regretted not dispatching the National Guard to seize voting machinery after the 2020 election.

During his interview with Mr. Bongino, Mr. Trump tied his desire for partisan control of voting mechanisms to his administration’s agenda to find and deport undocumented immigrants from American cities.

“If Republicans don’t get them out, you will never win another election as a Republican,” he said, referring to undocumented immigrants. “It’s crazy how you can get these people to vote. If we don’t get them out, look, Republicans will never win another election.”

There is no evidence that a significant number of noncitizens have voted in any American election. A 2024 audit by Georgia’s secretary of state found that just 20 of the 8.2 million people registered to vote in Georgia were not citizens, and only nine had ever voted.

 
Unless all the IDs are free isn't the SAVE ACT just a Poll Tax? Wouldn't that violate the 24th Amendment?

24th Amendment
Abolition of Poll Taxes

Section 1


The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.

Section 2

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
 

Kristi Noem says she will ensure the ‘right people’ vote in midterms and elect ‘the right leaders’​

The Homeland Security Secretary said her department was responsible for election security

Kristi Noem appeared to suggest the Department of Homeland Security was responsible for election security and said she would ensure the “right people” were voting to elect “the right leaders.”

“Elections is another one of those critical infrastructure responsibilities that I have as well, and I would say that many people believe that it may be one of the most important things that we need,” the DHS Secretary said at a press conference Friday.

“To make sure we trust is reliable, and that when it gets to election day that we've been proactive to make sure that we have the right people voting, electing the right leaders to lead this country through the days that we have – knowing that people can trust it.”


During the conference in Arizona, which has been one of the hotspots of national election fraud conspiracies, Noem said she had the authority to identify “vulnerabilities” in the election system and implement “mitigation measures” to ensure elections are “run correctly” at both a state and national level.

 
Question from someone who is not knowledgeable on the matter - In today USA, When people go out to vote they are not required to be identified as US citizens prior to actual voting?
 
I see.. thanks for that source.
I don't understand the issue then.. Why registering to vote is opposed?
If I read correctly the current situation is that: "All states are required to use the same voter registration form for registering people to vote in federal elections. The form requires applicants to affirm, under penalty of perjury, that they are citizens."
So the main issue / discussion here is if people can identify via signing a form to affirm I am a US citizen as opposed to registering in advance via other forms of identification?
Trump people want additional verification wheres Trump opposition want to keep the current filling a form method?
 
The bill requires people to show a valid passport or official copy of birth certificate. Literally tens of millions of Americans don't have these documents on hand. Procuring them is time consuming and expensive.
Also requires additional documentation if current name differs from birth name. This was our in as attack on transgender people. But millions of women still change their names when they marry. Immigrants sometimes anglicize their names. They could lose their vote.
Millions of legitimate voters would be disenfranchised. Which is the point. Like Kristi Noem said, the right people voting for the rigjt candidates.
Non citizen voting simply doesn't happen. It's been studied. In one state out of five and a half million ballots, only 13 from non citizens. Non citizens voting is already a prosecutable crime.
The point is to control elections. Cancelling elections isn't politically feasible. Make it like Hungary. They have elections but they are set up so ruling party always wins super majority.
 
I see.. thanks for that source.
I don't understand the issue then.. Why registering to vote is opposed?
If I read correctly the current situation is that: "All states are required to use the same voter registration form for registering people to vote in federal elections. The form requires applicants to affirm, under penalty of perjury, that they are citizens."
So the main issue / discussion here is if people can identify via signing a form to affirm I am a US citizen as opposed to registering in advance via other forms of identification?
Trump people want additional verification wheres Trump opposition want to keep the current filling a form method?

Would you as a human being have a problem with someone asking for additional verification that, lets say you dont have it... so you need to go out and get it... then that someone closes down the place you need to get that verification?

You wouldnt have a problem with that?

You would... its just right now it doesn't affect you, and since it doesnt, you dont care.

Its nice though to see who has empathy and who doesnt though.

Glad I could educate you and show you, since you dont care about how anything affects others.

Dont bother replying. I am already right.
 
Would you as a human being have a problem with someone asking for additional verification that, lets say you dont have it... so you need to go out and get it... then that someone closes down the place you need to get that verification?

You wouldnt have a problem with that?

You would... its just right now it doesn't affect you, and since it doesnt, you dont care.

Its nice though to see who has empathy and who doesnt though.

Glad I could educate you and show you, since you dont care about how anything affects others.

Dont bother replying. I am already right.
I asked a genuine question to understand the issue better, not because I don't care about people. I appreciate the explanation about barriers to getting ID - that's helpful context. Though I should note following some research that the DMV closures you're referencing happened in Alabama in 2015 and were ultimately reversed after federal intervention. The broader point about practical barriers (cost, time, access to documents like birth certificates and passports) is well taken and helps clarify why this is about more than just 'verification.' Thanks for taking the time to explain.
 
I also want to note the reason my view seems different is because the Israeli and The US identification system are appearently very different, here is what Claude informed me of the differences:


Israel's System (Teudat Zehut):
  • The national ID card is completely FREE - no charge for issuance or renewal
  • Issued automatically by the government to all residents at age 16
  • Offices throughout the country with online appointment booking
  • Card delivered to your home within 7-10 days
  • Government takes responsibility for ensuring everyone has one
  • Used for voting, banking, healthcare, all government services

US SAVE Act Proposal:
  • Requires passport ($130+) or birth certificate ($15-50+)
  • NOT free - citizens must pay and obtain documents themselves
  • No government system to help people get them
  • Variable accessibility depending on where you live
  • Additional costs/barriers if your name has changed
  • Solving a "problem" where Georgia found 13 non-citizen votes out of 5.5 million ballots

The key difference: Israel built a comprehensive system where the government ensures everyone can participate. The SAVE Act puts expensive barriers in front of voting while providing no infrastructure to help people overcome them.

If the US wanted to do voter ID properly, it would look like Israel - free, universal, government-issued, with infrastructure to ensure accessibility. Instead, this is requiring expensive documents that millions of legitimate voters don't have, to prevent virtually non-existent fraud.

So in summary - I didn't know it was so different. And you perhaps can understand why I asked these questions.
 
Question from someone who is not knowledgeable on the matter - In today USA, When people go out to vote they are not required to be identified as US citizens prior to actual voting?
You can only vote if you are registered. In some states you don't receive a ballot unless you are registered.

Ballots in vote by mail states are shipped via USPS or delivered directly to ballot drops and tampering with the mail or commiting any crime via USPS is a felony.

You have to show your photo ID when you vote in person, and you have to have been registered to vote.

There is no evidence of any voting tampering prior to 2020 except by Republicans, and those all failed, unless this winds up being true...



 
I see.. thanks for that source.
I don't understand the issue then.. Why registering to vote is opposed?
If I read correctly the current situation is that: "All states are required to use the same voter registration form for registering people to vote in federal elections. The form requires applicants to affirm, under penalty of perjury, that they are citizens."
So the main issue / discussion here is if people can identify via signing a form to affirm I am a US citizen as opposed to registering in advance via other forms of identification?
Trump people want additional verification wheres Trump opposition want to keep the current filling a form method?
Registering to vote isn't opposed. Trump is trying to change federal election law to make it more difficult for people to vote freely and fairly. As we saw in 2024, if less people vote, the right benefits.
 
Unless all the IDs are free isn't the SAVE ACT just a Poll Tax? Wouldn't that violate the 24th Amendment?

24th Amendment
Abolition of Poll Taxes

Section 1


The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay poll tax or other tax.

Section 2

The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Yes exactly but good luck getting the Supreme Court to rule in your favor lol lmao
 
If the US wanted to do voter ID properly, it would look like Israel - free, universal, government-issued, with infrastructure to ensure accessibility.
You are absolutely correct. However, Americans have this weird idea that if there is a universal federal ID, the government will somehow use it against them. Despite the fact that the government has all their information from dozens of other sources anyway. So instead we get government issued passports and drivers licenses and voter registration cards and social security cards and so on, and that supposedly makes us "free".

barfo
 
We have always resisted national ID. Always told in free society no national ID needed. We aren't asked to show our papers. What Republicans are proposing is worst of both worlds. A de facto national ID but each person has to provide it themselves.
 

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