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SlyPokerDog said:
Manning did time. Paid at least some price for the crime convicted of.

I like Snowden and support what he did but he knew it was wrong. Sometimes you have to pay a price for your beliefs.

Muhammed Ali went to prison for his beliefs. He had the money and ability to leave the country.

Morally right and legally right are not always the same thing.
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Breaking the law is breaking the law but it is in my belief when it's done from the right morale stand point, there is an exception there. Ali is a hero of mine and honestly what snowden did can be respected too. Can't say that with other people that break the law. So should Rosa parks did the time she did or do you believe she belonged in jail? despite her being bailed out and not spending much time, she did get charged for something she did that was morally right
 
Cippy91 said:
Breaking the law is breaking the law but it is in my belief when it's done from the right morale stand point, there is an exception there. Ali is a hero of mine and honestly what snowden did can be respected too. Can't say that with other people that break the law. So should Rosa parks did the time she did or do you believe she belonged in jail? despite her being bailed out and not spending much time, she did get charged for something she did that was morally right
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If Snowden is found not guilty then he won't need a pardon.

He needs to leave Russia and come back to this country.

After he does that and if he is convicted then we can talk about a pardon.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If Snowden is found not guilty then he won't need a pardon.

He needs to leave Russia and come back to this country.

After he does that and if he is convicted then we can talk about a pardon.
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I don't understand why you so firmly believe in the justice system when it has been proven how terrible it is time and time again. If you have a great lawyer, you can get away with things as proven with OJ's case or this documentary I watched which is actually good, the guy is a psycho. It's called the Jinx and it's about Robert durst. This dude got off on murder, ultra rich. Not to mention in some parts of this country weed gets people put in prison for years and years. Of course they will find Snowden guilty, he embarrassed America and this country is too prideful to be embarrassed by a citizen, they would put him away forever
 
peaceful protest has brought the most dramatic and lasting change world wide. when morally wrong meets morally right, wrong is most often exposed for what it is and attitudes change. ghandi, martin luther king, parks, Tianmen square, mandela after going to prison. the alt left-antifa has to an unwelcome extent in my opinion, hijacked an opportunity for progress inthis country and I for one am deeply disappointed in their actions. judicial reforms have been very important in recent times that even the uber right Koch brothers are behind it. violence begets violence nothing more.
 
I think this is a pretty good take on it all





 
SlyPokerDog said:
He didn't run a prison.

He was a sheriff.

You can't ignore court orders. You can't pick and choose which laws to follow or ignore the court if you don't agree with it. The entire system falls apart.
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Trump can
 
I am not surprised he pardoned Sheriff Joe. It's his right as president, although I disagree with it. But, he didn't have to act like Sheriff Joe is an American hero for breaking the law. That's beyond ridiculous.
 
Cippy91 said:
I personally would love to see Assange and Snowden pardoned. I know some people think they are traitors but they have done nothing but reveal things our citizens need to know. They uncovered the corruption. No president will do it though for whatever reason but this old fuck gets pardoned. Look, this old dude I imagine has old school racist views. That's just how these guys are. My fucking grandpa is about the same age as this dude, been through war, republican. Always wanted me to be a marine."You would make a great marine", did the same shit to my dad too. Italian dude came up in Chicago, escaped the mob, dudes fucking lost his mind, he thinks we should bomb the middle east and just get rid of them. Believe it or not a lot of these prehistoric fucks exist. It is what it is. I mean are you really this bent out of shape that this old dude got pardoned? i'm not. sure the timing is just coincidence. How much time do we need to "heal" from a stupid ass neo nazi march?

my issue is this over reaction to things man, I get it the neo nazis were bad, everybody thinks they are a bunch of out of touch idiots. "time to heal" though, I just don't get that. Life is way harder than some neo nazi march, I mean maybe that's other peoples big deal in life but to me it's water under the bridge because life is way harder than that. I mean think about it, people are still concerned over this neo nazi rally meanwhile there are people out there in the world starving and dying of diseases, getting killed for nothing, stoned to death, etc. I am sorry but my view is always larger than just america. This shit is nothing to me, we have it great in America, I haven't heard one person be like yeah that rally was dope.
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All I will say is people may not be worried about that RALLY, but they are worried about the group. Two different things. And those people have made a lot of peoples lives' harder. So, just because your life isn't harder than that, there are millions of peoples who lives ARE harder than that, because they are directly affected by them.

Just because it doesn't directly affect you, doesn't mean it should be water under the bridge, IMO.

Also, America is getting affected by those people. All those other things are happening too, and it's awful and terrible, and should be seen too. We have real issues here, and someone who is being passive about it. (He doesn't deserve to be named) That is a recipe for a lot of damage in this country.

Let it be known I am not mad at you, or all that - I just think downplaying the drastic division that is happening in this country isn't good either. The world has problems, to that there is no doubt. But like they say, take care of your house too.
 
Strenuus said:
All I will say is people may not be worried about that RALLY, but they are worried about the group. Two different things. And those people have made a lot of peoples lives' harder. So, just because your life isn't harder than that, there are millions of peoples who lives ARE harder than that, because they are directly affected by them.

Just because it doesn't directly affect you, doesn't mean it should be water under the bridge, IMO.

Also, America is getting affected by those people. All those other things are happening too, and it's awful and terrible, and should be seen too. We have real issues here, and someone who is being passive about it. (He doesn't deserve to be named) That is a recipe for a lot of damage in this country.

Let it be known I am not mad at you, or all that - I just think downplaying the drastic division that is happening in this country isn't good either. The world has problems, to that there is no doubt. But like they say, take care of your house too.
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I mean sure, not in my situation. It's water under the bridge for me. I don't know how that group affects people considering they are a large minority here. Everybody dislikes them. I am not down playing it but I can't recall the last neo nazi rally before that one that was any sort of that size. Media took it and over dramatized it for a week straight. Personally I would be more concerned about Antifa considering they haven't stopped and people actually back them as opposed to those neo nazis. I don't think anybody should be concerned about them, they aren't rallying in your cities like antifa is
 
Strenuus said:
All I will say is people may not be worried about that RALLY, but they are worried about the group. Two different things. And those people have made a lot of peoples lives' harder. So, just because your life isn't harder than that, there are millions of peoples who lives ARE harder than that, because they are directly affected by them.

Just because it doesn't directly affect you, doesn't mean it should be water under the bridge, IMO.

Also, America is getting affected by those people. All those other things are happening too, and it's awful and terrible, and should be seen too. We have real issues here, and someone who is being passive about it. (He doesn't deserve to be named) That is a recipe for a lot of damage in this country.

Let it be known I am not mad at you, or all that - I just think downplaying the drastic division that is happening in this country isn't good either. The world has problems, to that there is no doubt. But like they say, take care of your house too.
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and I believe division is more so occurring at the hands of the people than anybody else influencing anything. It's all ideologies and bias just making division worse.
 
Cippy91 said:
and I believe division is more so occurring at the hands of the people than anybody else influencing anything. It's all ideologies and bias just making division worse.
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My question is, is the president helping bring everyone together or is he helping the division? Thats the real question. In my eyes and research he has been very timid on being strong on anything social that could bring this country together, or at least help in any way.
 
Cippy91 said:
I mean sure, not in my situation. It's water under the bridge for me. I don't know how that group affects people considering they are a large minority here. Everybody dislikes them. I am not down playing it but I can't recall the last neo nazi rally before that one that was any sort of that size. Media took it and over dramatized it for a week straight. Personally I would be more concerned about Antifa considering they haven't stopped and people actually back them as opposed to those neo nazis. I don't think anybody should be concerned about them, they aren't rallying in your cities like antifa is
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that's a pretty dismissive statement about not being worried about them when one of "them" ran down a group of protesters and killed one of them. I condemn the antifa violence whole heartedly but they have yet to do a mass causality act of anything similar.
 
Cippy91 said:
I mean sure, not in my situation. It's water under the bridge for me. I don't know how that group affects people considering they are a large minority here. Everybody dislikes them. I am not down playing it but I can't recall the last neo nazi rally before that one that was any sort of that size. Media took it and over dramatized it for a week straight. Personally I would be more concerned about Antifa considering they haven't stopped and people actually back them as opposed to those neo nazis. I don't think anybody should be concerned about them, they aren't rallying in your cities like antifa is
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There's actually a lot more than you think. Those were just ones that traveled to Charlottesville.

I personally don't condone violence from any side. I get just as discouraged about people that I would feel I would support using violence to make a point. I dont know much about antifa, but the little I do know, they seem to take to violence too. I need to do more research on them.

As far as your last comment - as long as there are people that are trying to affect others negatively, and people that are getting affected by them, there should be concern. Especially if the president is giving them indirect support. Doesn't matter if it's in my city or not, it's affecting americans. That's the key.
 
Strenuus said:
My question is, is the president helping bring everyone together or is he helping the division? Thats the real question. In my eyes and research he has been very timid on being strong on anything social that could bring this country together, or at least help in any way.
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I don't think he is bringing everybody together, never said he was. I just don't think it's the presidents responsibility as if we are children that don't know how top treat each other till father president comes in and tells us how to act you know? obviously he isn't very president like and we knew that before he took office. I think more is on the people. Right now we are seeing a terrible hurricane going on and it seems only natural disasters or events bring people together and put aside all the bullshit. From 9/11 to Katrina we saw people come together like never before and put aside all the bullshit. Other than that, nobody really comes together, and the media doesn't help. We have people with agendas out there whether it's racial division or whatever, it's tough. bringing everybody together is tough but it's a group effort
 
In 1999, undercover MCSO deputies arrested James Saville, then 18 years old, and charged him with plotting to kill Arpaio with a pipe bomb. A local television station had been tipped off to the arrest by the MCSO, and broadcast footage of the arrest that evening. The MCSO held a news conference shortly after the arrest, and Arpaio appeared in interviews on local television stations, saying "If they think they are going to scare me away with bombs and everything else, it's not going to bother me."

After spending four years in jail awaiting trial, Saville was about to sign a plea deal that would have sent him to prison for 20 years. Although he maintained his innocence, he was initially unwilling to take a chance on being given an even longer sentence if convicted. However, the former head of undercover investigations for the MCSO called Saville's legal team with a bombshell -- based on his review of the case, he felt that Saville had been entrapped. Although entrapment is all but impossible to prove in most jurisdictions, Saville's attorneys eventually discovered that MCSO detectives had bought the bomb parts themselves, then convinced Saville to build it even though he was not predisposed to commit such a crime. On July 9, 2003, a Maricopa County Superior Court jury acquitted Saville, finding that the bomb plot was an elaborate publicity stunt to boost Arpaio's reelection bid.

In 2004, Saville sued Arpaio and Maricopa County for wrongful arrest and entrapment, seeking $10 million in damages. In 2008, the suit was settled, with Maricopa County paying Saville $1.6 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio#Staged_assassination_plot​
 
lawai'a said:
that's a pretty dismissive statement about not being worried about them when one of "them" ran down a group of protesters and killed one of them. I condemn the antifa violence whole heartedly but they have yet to do a mass causality act of anything similar.
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right and that was a crazy person. should of never happened. I am not saying one is worse than the other but one is denounced by everybody I have come across while CNN posted an article the other day about antifa and how they need to do what they do for peace. Doesn't make sense
 
Cippy91 said:
I don't think he is bringing everybody together, never said he was. I just don't think it's the presidents responsibility as if we are children that don't know how top treat each other till father president comes in and tells us how to act you know? obviously he isn't very president like and we knew that before he took office. I think more is on the people. Right now we are seeing a terrible hurricane going on and it seems only natural disasters or events bring people together and put aside all the bullshit. From 9/11 to Katrina we saw people come together like never before and put aside all the bullshit. Other than that, nobody really comes together, and the media doesn't help. We have people with agendas out there whether it's racial division or whatever, it's tough. bringing everybody together is tough but it's a group effort
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The media doesn't help, that's true. It's never helped on anything.

And you are absolutely right that it is a group effort. But, the president does have it in him to make the final decisions and to exercise powers and rights that us as an entire group can only petition him to do. So in a way yes and no... we don't need him but we absolutely need him, and unfortunately he seems like the absent father who we just need to make sure he gives us a safe place to live.

I get where you're coming from, but we do need him to co-sign on some things if this country is going to get a little safer, too.
 
Strenuus said:
There's actually a lot more than you think. Those were just ones that traveled to Charlottesville.

I personally don't condone violence from any side. I get just as discouraged about people that I would feel I would support using violence to make a point. I dont know much about antifa, but the little I do know, they seem to take to violence too. I need to do more research on them.

As far as your last comment - as long as there are people that are trying to affect others negatively, and people that are getting affected by them, there should be concern. Especially if the president is giving them indirect support. Doesn't matter if it's in my city or not, it's affecting americans. That's the key.
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Maybe there is, I don't claim to know all of them that exist, I am sure there are a lot in the south, midwest but they don't ever come out. Maybe that's why we just don't see them. Crazy ideologies are bound to happen and stay in society unfortunately, it's just how the world works. Wish it wasn't that way. I think both alt left and right affect this country negatively. Even both parties affect this country negatively.
 
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