Politics Trump pardons Sheriff Joe Arpaio

[TradeNurkicNow]

lmao barfo why even bother?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

if you are too delicate to hear that the president is a lying piece of shit, then don't read the OT section.

Hmm, we wouldn't want anyone getting angry and wishing for another person to die or anything like that. It'd be terrible. Just turrrrrible.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Here's a fact - anyone that supports Trump has no grasp of general, basic, human decency.

There are no links. Fuck your links and your "truth."

Common sense and decency matters.

He possesses none of it. I'd be disgusted attaching myself to such filth.

No shame

 

[barfo]

No drone strikes, enough innocent people have died from that, don't need any more. Can't say I have a plan, I just know drone strikes are fucking terrible. I have seen documentaries and some families over there who lost loved ones over us really fucks with me man because what if that was you and your family? I mean really, it's fucked up. War is fucked.

Well, yes. I believe the usual expression is "War is hell".

But you are the "that's just the way it is" and "it is what it is" guy, right? So let's not "over exaggerate" things.

You should have an alternative, if you want to be a critic. It's a bit too easy to just say 'I don't like it'.

Nobody likes it.

barfo

 

[barfo]

lmao barfo why even bother?

Valid question.

barfo

 

[Cippy91]

Valid question.

barfo

Well as I said, you don't like me, so there is that.

 

[Cippy91]

No, I don't think you are 'retarded'. If I did I wouldn't bother responding to your posts.

I do think you have an unrealistic view of yourself and your own opinions sometimes. You aren't anywhere near as unbiased or objective as you think you are.

And I think you do yourself a disservice by rejecting things wholesale (every politician is corrupt, all news is fake) rather than trying to look into the details.

But 'retarded', no.

barfo

I can be bias at times but for the most part I would like to think I'm down the middle. I don't think all news is fake, it's just half truths and you have to sort it out and research yourself to actually know the whole story these days. I think most politicians are pretty corrupt or a liar. Trump is a liar, Obama I think was good to a degree. Knew how to talk, make that connection. Also lied though. Clinton both corrupt and liar. Sanders sold out after the dnc fucked him over and started campaigning for Clinton basically showing he could be bought out. Bush, liar. "Weapons of mass destruction". The list goes on.

 

[Cippy91]

lmao barfo why even bother?

You're better than me I forgot

 

[Cippy91]

Well, yes. I believe the usual expression is "War is hell".

But you are the "that's just the way it is" and "it is what it is" guy, right? So let's not "over exaggerate" things.

You should have an alternative, if you want to be a critic. It's a bit too easy to just say 'I don't like it'.

Nobody likes it.

barfo

I think we can agree thousands of innocent people dying a year due to US drone strikes is not the answer, sure I don't have an alternative but I believe there should probably be one.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Here's a fact - anyone that supports Trump has no grasp of general, basic, human decency.

There are no links. Fuck your links and your "truth."

Common sense and decency matters.

He possesses none of it. I'd be disgusted attaching myself to such filth.

No shame

Holy shit. That's a requirement for being president and anyone who votes for someone who isn't a nice guy is a dirtbag?

So, nobody should have voted. Got it.

Also, please post a list of "sources of the truth" for me so I can be learning me some truth as you see it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I just clicked on a yahoo story about this to read the comments.

It really is amazing when something that literally doesn't affect one person on Earth other than Arpaio gets people so furious.

Trump should pardon Roman Polanski and see what happens.

 

[Further]

Hmm, we wouldn't want anyone getting angry and wishing for another person to die or anything like that. It'd be terrible. Just turrrrrible.

To be fair, I never said I wished for it. I said I wouldn't be bothered by it. There is a distinction.

I do however hope that he gets impeached and hopefully kicked out or resigns from office. But I have no fondness at all for him, I believe he is very distrustful and his being president will cause many hardships and likely cause many deaths that would otherwise not occur.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

To be fair, I never said I wished for it. I said I wouldn't be bothered by it. There is a distinction.

I do however hope that he gets impeached and hopefully kicked out or resigns from office. But I have no fondness at all for him, I believe he is very distrustful and his being president will cause many hardships and likely cause many deaths that would otherwise not occur.

Well, you clearly put more weight on his impact on our day to day lives. If I didn't watch any news or play on my phone I'd never know the trauma that people are experiencing.

 

[Further]

However - to the topic of this thread. Trump has every right to pardon this shitbag-sherrif. All presidents seem to pardon someone that I don't think should be released, but it's their prerogative.

However, what does bother me about this pardoning in the timing and the message that is being sent with the pardon. I believe this pardon was a bit of red meat for the portion of his base with the most hatred and racism. This is another act that will signify to the neo-nazi contingency that Trump will continue to be their man.

It's wrong and divisive by the President. It's making sure that race continues to be a bigger and more pronounced divide in this nation. He is setting the tone for a race war.

 

[MarAzul]

There is a distinction.

I find little distinction in your shades of hate.

 

[MarAzul]

He is setting the tone for a race war.

Fool talk!

Question for you.
Do you find nothing wrong with not giving the Sheriff a jury trial?

 

[Further]

Well, you clearly put more weight on his impact on our day to day lives. If I didn't watch any news or play on my phone I'd never know the trauma that people are experiencing.

I live a good life. But that doesn't mean that I don't care for those that don't share my good life. It also doesn't mean that I don't care about the direction and tenor of our nation.

Perhaps it's my upbringing, but I do believe in the Edmund Burke quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." I see this divide worsening, the "white" vs the "other" and I think it doesn't have to.

 

[Further]

Fool talk!

Question for you.
Do you find nothing wrong with not giving the Sheriff a jury trial?

I haven't looked into it but on first glance, it's a contempt of court charge which is up to the judge, so no. But, as I stated, Trump has his right and I tend to disagree with many pardons by every president.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I live a good life. But that doesn't mean that I don't care for those that don't share my good life. It also doesn't mean that I don't care about the direction and tenor of our nation.

Perhaps it's my upbringing, but I do believe in the Edmund Burke quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." I see this divide worsening, the "white" vs the "other" and I think it doesn't have to.

I can't help you with this. I can't gather with a bunch of masked goons throwing urine and rocks at cops because neo nazi dipshits run around in khakis holding upside down signs or tiki torches.

I can't participate in the echo chamber where not getting furious with redneck morons attacks you if you don't want to scream and shout how much you hate Nazis.

I've seen plenty of non white groups screaming racist things and protesting stuff.

I don't attack them either because I live (past tense now?) in a free country where people can think anything they want.

They used to be able to say anything they wanted to as long as it didn't directly harm anyone.

Now the loons have decided that words equal violence. It just doesn't though.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think living in Vegas has had a really positive impact on my psyche. I don't feel this animosity that I see on tv. I did notice one black dude look at me funny in the days after Charlottesville.

 

[MarAzul]

I haven't looked into it but on first glance, it's a contempt of court charge which is up to the judge, so no. But, as I stated, Trump has his right and I tend to disagree with many pardons by every president.

Article III Section II

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

Fith amendment

nor be deprived of life, liberty , or property, without due process of law;

Sixth amendment

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedyand
public trial, byan impartial juryof theStateanddistrict wherein the crime shall have been committed;
which district shall havebeen previouslyascertained by law, and to beinformed ofthe natureand
causeoftheaccusation; to be confronted withthewitnesses against him; to havecompulsoryprocess
for obtainingwitnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

Seventh amendment

In Suitsat commonlaw,wherethevaluein controversyshall exceed twenty
dollars, theright of trial by juryshall bepreserved,andnofact tried by ajuryshall beotherwise
re-examined in anyCourt of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Eighth amendment

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

In my view, the judge is the one that needs to be put on trial. First for attempting to block the sheriff from upholding his oath of office in enforcing the laws of the United States.
Second for, denying the Sheriff due process in his attempt.


A stated reason why jury trials.

The Right to Trial by Jury Clause guarantees that a wider group of people will look at the evidence and hear both sides of the case before they make their decision. If a single judge were given the power to condemn someone to life in prison or to death, the alleged criminal could easily become the victim of corrupt judge. Supreme Court Justice Byron White put it this way:

"A right to jury trial is granted to criminal defendants in order to prevent oppression by the Government. Those who wrote our constitutions knew from history and experience that it was necessary to protect against unfounded criminal charges brought to eliminate enemies and against judges too responsive to the voice of higher authority. The framers of the constitutions strove to create an independent judiciary but insisted upon further protection against arbitrary action. Providing an accused with the right to be tried by a jury of his peers gave him an inestimable safeguard against the corrupt overzealous prosecutor and against the compliant, biased, or eccentric judge..."

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah, he should have had a jury. This wasn't some traffic infraction, it was a big deal.

The only proof you need to know it was a big deal is the reaction to this pardon.

 

[Further]

I can't help you with this. I can't gather with a bunch of masked goons throwing urine and rocks at cops because neo nazi dipshits run around in khakis holding upside down signs or tiki torches.

I can't participate in the echo chamber where not getting furious with redneck morons attacks you if you don't want to scream and shout how much you hate Nazis.

You don't have to. I don't most of the time, but every once in a while I get exasperated. In that last thread, right after Charlottesville, I was more emotional than normal. But, just cause you don't participate in the echo chamber yelling at Nazi's doesn't mean you have to be on the other side either as I feel @Sinobas and to a lesser extent @Cippy91 were.

I've seen plenty of non white groups screaming racist things and protesting stuff.

They are wrong to do so.

I don't attack them either because I live (past tense now?) in a free country where people can think anything they want.

They used to be able to say anything they wanted to as long as it didn't directly harm anyone.

Now the loons have decided that words equal violence. It just doesn't though.

Free speech is free from government stopping that speech. It does not and has never meant that you can say whatever you want without anyone taking objection or saying mean or rude things about you.

 

[MarAzul]

Trump and the Governor of Arizona are the only one's I think that can correct this level of abuse by a judge. The Governor is probably politically fearful, so thankfully Trump doesn't fear political shit. This level of abuse has to be stomped on.

 

[Further]

Article III Section II

The Trial of all Crimes, ...

Perhaps, as I have said previously, I am not an expert in the law. However, if Trump had such a problem with this, there are tens of thousands of cases that match this criteria and he could have selected any one of them to make some point about jury trials. He did not, he chose JA for a specific reason. My belief is that he choose him to signal to racists that he is on their side without having to say it outright. But, the pardon was totally within the scope of what Trump was legally permitted to do.

 

[MarAzul]

However, if Trump had such a problem with this, there are tens of thousands of cases

It seems you reach way too far. I don't know of a case where an accused is denied a jury trial except where they request a trial by the bench.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You don't have to. I don't most of the time, but every once in a while I get exasperated. In that last thread, right after Charlottesville, I was more emotional than normal. But, just cause you don't participate in the echo chamber yelling at Nazi's doesn't mean you have to be on the other side either as I feel @Sinobas and to a lesser extent @Cippy91 were.


They are wrong to do so.


Free speech is free from government stopping that speech. It does not and has never meant that you can say whatever you want without anyone taking objection or saying mean or rude things about you.

People need to be careful about the last part. With the the internet, an angry mob is just a few tweets away.

They already doxxed the wrong guy after Charlottesville. I don't even think it was discussed here. Free speech is going to become a tool for the independently wealthy.

If you say one wrong thing angry mobs of hypocrites want you fired.

 

[MarAzul]

Free speech is not free. More often than not, the cost is, revealing you're and ass.

 

[Minstrel]

Will The Arpaio Pardon Make Trump More Unpopular?

As the polls above show, a lot of people nationally didn’t have an opinion of a potential Arpaio pardon one way or the other. But a poll taken this week in Arizona, where people know Arpaio best, offers Trump little hope if he’s banking that voters nationwide will like his pardon more as they get to know more about Arpaio. OH Predictive Insights found that just 21 percent of Arizonans favored the pardon while 50 percent were against it. That is consistent with the fact that Arpaio lost re-election last year after being charged with criminal contempt, though he had not yet been convicted. Still, the large margin of public disagreement with Trump’s decision to pardon Arpaio is somewhat surprising given that both Maricopa County and Arizona overall narrowly went for Trump last year. This implies that Arpaio rubbing off on Trump could hurt the president both in this key swing state and nationwide as Arpaio becomes better known outside his home state.​

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Will The Arpaio Pardon Make Trump More Unpopular?

As the polls above show, a lot of people nationally didn’t have an opinion of a potential Arpaio pardon one way or the other. But a poll taken this week in Arizona, where people know Arpaio best, offers Trump little hope if he’s banking that voters nationwide will like his pardon more as they get to know more about Arpaio. OH Predictive Insights found that just 21 percent of Arizonans favored the pardon while 50 percent were against it. That is consistent with the fact that Arpaio lost re-election last year after being charged with criminal contempt, though he had not yet been convicted. Still, the large margin of public disagreement with Trump’s decision to pardon Arpaio is somewhat surprising given that both Maricopa County and Arizona overall narrowly went for Trump last year. This implies that Arpaio rubbing off on Trump could hurt the president both in this key swing state and nationwide as Arpaio becomes better known outside his home state.​

Joe cost them 70 million dollars. I wouldn't be surprised that they don't like him.