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ABM said:
She would have never even known about the tweet during testimony...had Schiff not decided to pull his little, "Wait! Breaking news!" act.
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Or maybe Trump should've kept his trap shut and not tried to intimidate the witness (or do anything that could be interpreted as trying to intimidate)
 
ABM said:
Actually, yes. The difference, though, is Trump speaks his mind...even in his own bombastic way. He is what he is.

Conversely, Schiff plays mind games. I despise mind games.
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If you "despise" mind games, how is it you seem to love Trump, who openly cons people?
 
barfo said:
Rather telling how the main focus of Republicans is always "Who ratted us out?"

Who's the whistleblower? Investigate the oranges of the investigation! What's Schiff doing reading Trump's tweets?

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Who told you I murdered my wife? Was it that bastard Kato Kaelin? He lives rent free off of one of his rich friends. You can't trust that bastard, and if there'a anything I hate, it's people who I assume are sleeping with my ex wife....er, I mean, people who take advantage of their rich friends.
 
ABM said:
As I said, the dems have been after Trump since day-1, when they were flabbergasted that their prize got beat. Trump has been in defense mode ever since his first day in office. The dems' prime purpose has been to eliminate him and they're seemingly stopping at nothing in the process. I'd be a little torched, as well, if I had to put up with the shenanigans he's faced.
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You're playin partisan wall games right now …..I'm not a democrat and I didn't vote for Hillary...you assume only one political party has issues with Trumps presidency....you're wrong. You're party of favor is swallowing it's pride to keep the Senate majority...that's the game...most of the GOP cannot stand Trump either...and Trump started insulting good people everywhere long before he was elected....he painted himself into his fake news media bashing corner with his own conduct....very bad conduct at that. It's not rocket science....Trump is a terrible president and completely self absorbed contrary to putting the country first. I voted the Libertarian ticket against Trump and Clinton....your partisan wall has holes in it ABM
 
julius said:
If you "despise" mind games, how is it you seem to love Trump, who openly cons people?
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It's a pathetic excuse to try and divert away from the real problem, trump. The excuses his followers come up with have become more and more lame.
 
ABM said:
Look, the dems have had it for Trump since day-1. In turn, he's had it for them....and the liberal-leaning press.
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lol...yeah, and like Fox News doesn't back Trump no matter what. You're making this way too easy.
 
yankeesince59 said:
lol...yeah, and like Fox News doesn't back Trump no matter what. You're making this way too easy.
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Essentially, it's Fox against the balance of the mainstream media, almost just like it's me against all you hay-shakers! :smiley-thumbup:
 
yankeesince59 said:
lol...yeah, and like Fox News doesn't back Trump no matter what. You're making this way too easy.
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My problem with the way the left has handled Trump has actually always been what ABM is alluding too. They have been searching for ways to get him out since the moment he won. They have gone so far to the extreme attacking every thing from little to big that it has been such an easy argument for the right wing media and Trump to call it a witch hunt, and for them to play victims at all of this. I think they wouldve been better off, handling the big stuff and not tossing every little thing they didnt like into it. Just my opinion, Im aware its unpopular.
 
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TorturedBlazerFan said:
My problem with the way the left has handled Trump has actually always been what ABM is alluding too. They have been searching for ways to get him out since the moment he won. They have gone so far to the extreme attacking every thing from little to big that it has been such an easy argument for the right wing media and Trump to call it a witch hunt, and for them to play victims at all of this. I think they wouldve been better off, handling the big stuff and not tossing every little thing they didnt like into it. Just my opinion, Im aware its unpopular.
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'Xactly.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My problem with the way the left has handled Trump has actually always been what ABM is alluding too. They have been searching for ways to get him out since the moment he won. They have gone so far to the extreme attacking every thing from little to big that it has been such an easy argument for the right wing media and Trump to call it a witch hunt, and for them to play victims at all of this. I think they wouldve been better off, handling the big stuff and not tossing every little thing they didnt like into it. Just my opinion, Im aware its unpopular.
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Searching isn't a word i would use as it's more like falling in their laps. It matters little as to how the info comes about but trump is so dumb that he blatantly abuses his power and constantly attacks anyone who disagrees with him. That's not a recipe for a successful president..
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
My problem with the way the left has handled Trump has actually always been what ABM is alluding too. They have been searching for ways to get him out since the moment he won. They have gone so far to the extreme attacking every thing from little to big that it has been such an easy argument for the right wing media and Trump to call it a witch hunt, and for them to play victims at all of this. I think they wouldve been better off, handling the big stuff and not tossing every little thing they didnt like into it. Just my opinion, Im aware its unpopular.
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Trump has made his own bed. He has done and said many horrible things. If any other president did and said the same things Trump has, the results would be the same Democratic or Republican. That president would be impeached.
 
The media didn't have to search for bad news from Trump...they just needed to listen to his speeches and read his twitter account. Als0 the media is not televisions field anymore...there are probably millions of new sources on the internet.....and when you talk about the media why exclude world media? You want balance? Broaden your horizons might be in order.....Fox news is just televisions big conservative brand….you have Breitbart...and many, many offshoot conservative sites out there. Alex Jones is in the conservative camp...don't see republicans propping him up much anymore. Half of my adult life I listened to the BBC overseas and they are much more world wide in coverage than the big 4 American news outlets. I listen to Taipei news several times a week. Believe me, democrats aren't the only people who don't trust Donald Trump to tell the truth.
 
Chris Craig said:
Trump has made his own bed. He has done and said many horrible things. If any other president did and said the same things Trump has, the results would be the same Democratic or Republican. That president would be impeached.
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Yes he has in some ways but some of the petty stuff that has come up the last few years has detracted and distracted from the bigger issues and has only served to fan his argument and strategically I think its worked against the left.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Yes he has in some ways but some of the petty stuff that has come up the last few years has detracted and distracted from the bigger issues and has only served to fan his argument and strategically I think its worked against the left.
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The issues leading to impeachment are hardly petty things, nor are the insults and threats he's spewed towards professional American citizens doing their jobs. Everything Trump is experiencing he's brought upon himself. The idea that he's a victim in this is his whining denial that he's wrong about so many things and lies about contacts and conversations that need not be hidden. He said he'd show his tax returns two weeks into his first term...now he won't. He says guys are great guys that are now in jail and he claims he didn't really know that well. I'm sorry....the partisan divisions have existed all of my life but that's not what's steering the impeachment of Donald Trump....he did that himself actually to the shock of the opposition. They didn't want an impeachment in an election year..he gave them no choice with his last stunt. Trump is a pay for play ponzi scheme guy who thinks his bankroll can win any court case..lies will eventually come back to bite you
 
ABM said:
Essentially, it's Fox against the balance of the mainstream media, almost just like it's me against all you hay-shakers! :smiley-thumbup:
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So how do you explain the way they treated Obama?
 
riverman said:
The issues leading to impeachment are hardly petty things, nor are the insults and threats he's spewed towards professional American citizens doing their jobs. Everything Trump is experiencing he's brought upon himself. The idea that he's a victim in this is his whining denial that he's wrong about so many things and lies about contacts and conversations that need not be hidden. He said he'd show his tax returns two weeks into his first term...now he won't. He says guys are great guys that are now in jail and he claims he didn't really know that well. I'm sorry....the partisan divisions have existed all of my life but that's not what's steering the impeachment of Donald Trump....he did that himself actually to the shock of the opposition. They didn't want an impeachment in an election year..he gave them no choice with his last stunt.
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I am obviously not talking about the issues that led to the impeachment.
 
ABM said:
True. Completely anti-CNN, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and the like.
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Wait..are you saying "true" as in "they treated him unfairly/with bias" or they traded him "true" as in "how he should have been treated"?

Because you do know there is this neat thing called "youtube" where Fox is shown to rail against Obama for something and praise Trump for the same thing, right?

The same group that claimed Michelle and him had a "terrorist fist bump"?

 
julius said:
Wait..are you saying "true" as in "they treated him unfairly/with bias" or they traded him "true" as in "how he should have been treated"?

Because you do know there is this neat thing called "youtube" where Fox is shown to rail against Obama for something and praise Trump for the same thing, right?

The same group that claimed Michelle and him had a "terrorist fist bump"?

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I could always bring up the movies of CNN, MSNBC, and the like on Bush. Nothing new here.
 
ABM said:
I could always bring up the movies of CNN, MSNBC, and the like on Bush. Nothing new here.
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I'm not sure if using Bush is a good idea here, since he was such a horrible president who tanked the economy.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I am obviously not talking about the issues that led to the impeachment.
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The guy ran a complete smear campaign against the media before he was elected...he led his campaign with his fake news, truth is not truth....then lied about crowd size day one of the election...talked about that for a year...at what point do you not just say to yourself, ok....I get it. This guy doesn't know the playbook and isn't is game shape and is a locker room cancer? Time to waive his contract!
 
julius said:
I'm not sure if using Bush is a good idea here, since he was such a horrible president who tanked the economy.
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True. He greatly over-reacted to things. I've sometimes wondered if they might have been different had 9-11 not happened. We'll never know.
 
riverman said:
The guy ran a complete smear campaign against the media before he was elected...he led his campaign with his fake news, truth is not truth....then lied about crowd size day one of the election...talked about that for a year...at what point do you not just say to yourself, ok....I get it. This guy doesn't know the playbook and isn't is game shape and is a locker room cancer? Time to waive his contract!
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I never liked Trump to begin with though. Who cares about the crowd size. Just like it was stupid for R’s to talk about Obama’s suit color and stuff like that. I feel like you’re just going on your heres all the things I hate about Trump spiel and not really listening to what I am saying. Which is fine but it’s not going to get us anywhere, I dont like Trump either, but that isnt at all the point Im making. So if we would just like to do the “Ten things I hate about you”, Trump edition Im cool with that. The point I am making is over the last 3 years there has been some petty stuff out there in regards to Trump that politically I think is a mistake to let anything deter from the big blunders and crap that he has pulled, and to me every time the news cycle picks up on something that is basically meaningless in the big picture it detracts from the meaningful terrible stuff he has said and done.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Who cares about the crowd size.
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That's the point...he does. He should have joked about it and gone to work...it was an obsession for him for over a year...he even photoshopped fakes to cover up his exaggerations....trust is earned and lost...my point is you cannot insult people without cause for the purpose of hiding your own mistakes or lies. You keep saying you don't like Trump but that his detractors are creating this out of partisan pettiness....I'm saying they are reacting to reality. Leadership by insult is going to fuel blowback from those who have dignity. Trump did not enter the office listening to anyone especially the American people.
 
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ABM said:
I'm glad Trump is maintaining his energy while that Schiff Sham drones on.
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Schiff is doing what he's trained to do and experienced at doing, prosecute. That was his full time job before joining the House. I'm confident that he knows very well how to pace himself and how to run a hearing.
 
Lanny said:
Schiff is doing what he's trained to do and experienced at doing, prosecute. That was his full time job before joining the House. I'm confident that he knows very well how to pace himself and how to run a hearing.
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Sorry, it's a complete one-sided charade.
 
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