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Schiff is doing what he's trained to do and experienced at doing, prosecute. That was his full time job before joining the House. I'm confident that he knows very well how to pace himself and how to run a hearing.

The way that the right is bringing into doubt the value of education/experience is quite fascinating. If you undermine the credibility of someone, it makes it harder for them to show you are guilty.

So everyone who has some kind of level of expertise will be mocked or ridiculed by trump, because his level of expertise is conning people.
 
True. He greatly over-reacted to things. I've sometimes wondered if they might have been different had 9-11 not happened. We'll never know.

Bush would not have been re-elected if it were not for 9/11
 
..that shifty Schiff decided to read right then and there. Pathetic.
Nothing pathetic about a pertinent legislator pointing out another impeachable act to add to the list. Do you actually believe that Republican Nunes never did anything outlandish when he served in the same role in the House Intelligence committee? The difference between the two? Schiff actually had a legitimate reason.
 
Sorry, it's a complete one-sided charade.

Again, just because you say it is, doesn't actually mean it is. The rules he's following were *made* by republicans. It's not his fault that he understands how things are supposed to be done better than you do, or Trump wants you to believe it's supposed to be.
 
That's the point...he does. He should have joked about it and gone to work...it was an obsession for him for over a year...he even photoshopped fakes to cover up his exaggerations....trust is earned and lost
He shouldnt have cared either, and he made plenty of Blunders, I am not denying that at all. I am saying that focusing on the Blunders that werent important was a bad political strategy by the left. I am not saying that Trump has t made those mistakes.

Lets use a sports example we all watch basketball (I think heh).

If the Blazers are leaving a player wide open under the basket and he’s got like 70 points just having a layup / dunk drill and they called a time out and talked about their Perimeter defense because they had a minor mistake that caused one wide open 3, wouldnt we all be questioning why they arent worried about the guy who is wide freaking open. Yes, you dont want to give up open 3’s, but whats really beating them is the fact they arent guarding the guy in the paint at all. Why go after Trump, why waste the time, print, news cycles all that to go after his stupid mishaps that wont get him out of office, or really hurt him, when there are so many HUGE issues we can talk about.
 
The way that the right is bringing into doubt the value of education/experience is quite fascinating. If you undermine the credibility of someone, it makes it harder for them to show you are guilty.

So everyone who has some kind of level of expertise will be mocked or ridiculed by trump, because his level of expertise is conning people.
It's a feeble attempt to show that you don't need no damned book larnin' to do anythin'.
 
It's a feeble attempt to show that you don't need no damned book larnin' to do anythin'.

Yep, and the "liberal elites" in colleges are teaching our kids socialism! Now I gotta go drive on the public road and pick up my medication that my medicare paid for! Oh hey look, it's a school, fire station and police station!
 
it’s not going to get us anywhere,
Don't you think impeachment and truthful revelations about the state of the union are getting us somewhere? I do. I want innocent hard working people who are being thrown under the bus to have their say about how this went down. I want our oversight committee to be respected and all subpoenas to be honored by all cabinet members....transparency is not throwing lawyers at questions...Trump should have talked to Mueller one to one on record..that's transparency...obstaining from checks and balances is unconstitutional.
 
Bush would not have been re-elected if it were not for 9/11
Ha!
He might not have been elected the first time, had the dems not run such a dis-likable candidate.
Then Kerry was disgusting to me the way he badmouthed the lads that served in Vietnam. He deserved no votes.
 
Again, just because you say it is, doesn't actually mean it is. The rules he's following were *made* by republicans. It's not his fault that he understands how things are supposed to be done better than you do, or Trump wants you to believe it's supposed to be.

Perhaps, but Clinton was already under criminal investigation prior to the impeachment hearings.
 
He shouldnt have cared either, and he made plenty of Blunders, I am not denying that at all. I am saying that focusing on the Blunders that werent important was a bad political strategy by the left. I am not saying that Trump has t made those mistakes.

Lets use a sports example we all watch basketball (I think heh).

If the Blazers are leaving a player wide open under the basket and he’s got like 70 points just having a layup / dunk drill and they called a time out and talked about their Perimeter defense because they had a minor mistake that caused one wide open 3, wouldnt we all be questioning why they arent worried about the guy who is wide freaking open. Yes, you dont want to give up open 3’s, but whats really beating them is the fact they arent guarding the guy in the paint at all. Why go after Trump, why waste the time, print, news cycles all that to go after his stupid mishaps that wont get him out of office, or really hurt him, when there are so many HUGE issues we can talk about.
It's an attempt to point out how inept he is and how he might make a fatal mistake at any moment. Once that message gets out there we can focus on doing something about the big problem, an inept, criminal, devious, traitorous President that might lead us into something truly disastrous at any moment.
 
Don't you think impeachment and truthful revelations about the state of the union are getting us somewhere? I do. I want innocent hard working people who are being thrown under the bus to have their say about how this went down. I want our oversight committee to be respected and all subpoenas to be honored by all cabinet members....transparency is not throwing lawyers at questions...Trump should have talked to Mueller one to one on record..that's transparency...obstaining from checks and balances is unconstitutional.
But again you are going straight to the “big” stuff, and ignoring that there have been in fact really petty things that have caught news cycles that theyve ran with and I am saying all the time spent talking about the crowd size is a waste of time, and I am sure we can find more examples of things that just distracted from the bigger issues, and those smaller things also served him, because he can say oh witch hunt, those angry libs will be mad no matter what.
 
when there are so many HUGE issues we can talk about
You can start threads about any of those huge issues....this one is about impeachment which to me is the biggest issue of the day....anything Trump related is part of the story of what led us to impeachment. If you think there are more important things...bring them on
 
It's an attempt to point out how inept he is and how he might make a fatal mistake at any moment. Once that message gets out there we can focus on doing something about the big problem, an inept, criminal, devious, traitorous President that might lead us into something truly disastrous at any moment.
Sure I understand this argument and I can to some degree, agree with it. It is not however how I would have handled it strategically, which is basically all Im talking about, the political strategy of all this.
 
But again you are going straight to the “big” stuff,
So what? I can only type one sentence at a time...why do you assume I ignore any fucking thing at all? To me you are watering down the topic with comparisons of what you think are not important points...that doesn't mean anyone else around here has ignored anything
 
The guy ran a complete smear campaign against the media before he was elected...he led his campaign with his fake news, truth is not truth....then lied about crowd size day one of the election...talked about that for a year...at what point do you not just say to yourself, ok....I get it. This guy doesn't know the playbook and isn't is game shape and is a locker room cancer? Time to waive his contract!

I laugh at all this fake news, the media is against Trump bullhockey. There has never been a president who so publicly said or did such stupid and heinous things. Never insensibly attacked so many people. Never used social media like a bully pulpit. Told so many lies, so many obvious, and yes mostly trivial, lies, Etc

His actions and words are so outrageous and out of character for a president, of course the media are going to report it.
 
You can start threads about any of those huge issues....this one is about impeachment which to me is the biggest issue of the day....anything Trump related is part of the story of what led us to impeachment. If you think there are more important things...bring them on
Like OT usually does this thread has branched, if you look at my original reply it was talking about “since day 1, they wanted him out” and I am just pointing out I think strategically the left has made mistakes (at least in my opinion).
 
Perhaps, but Clinton was already under criminal investigation prior to the impeachment hearings.
Indictments to follow, when now, any day?
Meanwhile, Trump has six of his associates in prison for felony convictions with more to follow. Then there's the whole impeachment issue and all the corruption associated with that. Clinton with no indictments and an impeachment involving consensual sex with two adults involving no sexual intercourse and no convictions vs. Trump with a shitload. Which is worse. Which to choose, which to choose. Whoops, I think I can see the elephant in the room. I'm gonna go with Trump being the worst.
 
Like OT usually does this thread has branched, if you look at my original reply it was talking about “since day 1, they wanted him out” and I am just pointing out I think strategically the left has made mistakes (at least in my opinion).
I'd like to discuss politics without a left and right position to start with. Trump has fired almost 100 right wing cabinet members....let's get back to being American citizens and feel free to express our opinions without the bipartisan majority tags and we'll be making some progress.
 
Ha!
He might not have been elected the first time, had the dems not run such a dis-likable candidate.
Then Kerry was disgusting to me the way he badmouthed the lads that served in Vietnam. He deserved no votes.

He might not have been elected the first time had his brother not been the Governor of Florida
 
So what? I can only type one sentence at a time...why do you assume I ignore any fucking thing at all? To me you are watering down the topic with comparisons of what you think are not important points...that doesn't mean anyone else around here has ignored anything
I like you river, I really do and the odd thing is I dont even disagree with you about Trump. I just dont really think you and I are even discussing the same topic at this point so I’ll bow out as its not worth fighting about. Not sure if its my fault for not making my point well, but I dont believe were getting anywhere with this and its not because of a disagreement it seems to me like were not communicating very well.
 
Like OT usually does this thread has branched, if you look at my original reply it was talking about “since day 1, they wanted him out” and I am just pointing out I think strategically the left has made mistakes (at least in my opinion).
Here's the first sentence of the topic thread:
"DRAIN THAT SWAMP!!"
This opens a lot of reasonable interpretations.
 
I started the term Trumpettes when Trump was running for office...it's because he's not really a Republican....he's a bandwagon politician...he deserves his own political name...it's why I don't call his fans republicans...
 

Obama would likely have run in 2012 and won then to become the president

There is one thing in the article I do agree with. IRAQ would have happened either way. 9/11 was the excuse Dick Cheney(who was really in charge) needed to go into Iraq to take control of their oil fields. Cheney would have found another way to get it done.
 
I like you river, I really do and the odd thing is I dont even disagree with you about Trump. I just dont really think you and I are even discussing the same topic at this point so I’ll bow out as its not worth fighting about. Not sure if its my fault for not making my point well, but I dont believe were getting anywhere with this and its not because of a disagreement it seems to me like were not communicating very well.
I'm not angry at you...I just have strong opinions about the state of the union right now and find it exasperating that there's any speck of reasonable doubt of Trump sympathy that can possibly be justified by any stretch of the imagination. Trump is not a victim of politics...he's a problem for all politics
 
Sure I understand this argument and I can to some degree, agree with it. It is not however how I would have handled it strategically, which is basically all Im talking about, the political strategy of all this.

You are acting as if everyone on the left has the same interests, same motivations, etc. We aren't that organized. Some of us are going to focus on Ukraine, some of us are going to laugh at his stupidly long ties. I agree with your point, it would be better if everyone was on-message and laser focused, but that isn't at all realistic.

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