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TorturedBlazerFan said:
So when you vote for Biden does that mean you support or condone every bill and thing he’s done in various political offices for the last 50 years?
How many people in this thread actually wanted Biden to be the candidate from the Dems in the first place, most of you probably DONT support Biden, you were supporting other candidates, and now will support Biden because he’s not Trump. Which is fine you can vote for whoever you want too, but you’d think its stupid for me to surmise that you condone, or support Everything Bidens done, yet when you expect Trump supporters (again there are maybe 2-3 even here), to answer for every stupid thing Trump does?

No issue, I think its just silly to read, “what does the Trump supporters think, why arent they commenting?” When there is maybe 2 that you’re trying to call out, and acting like they need to answer for every stupid thing Trump does.
You can call out whoever you want too, and shame me for my libertarian viewpoints if you want since Ive pretty consistently voted Libertarian, If you get something out of thinking you flexed hard on people who you DONT even have patience for, congrats. I can think it’s silly and you can keep doing it, and you can think Im terrible thats your choice and my choice.
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at this point, if people still support this jackass, then yes, my comments are 100% warranted.
 
illmatic99 said:
at this point, if people still support this jackass, then yes, my comments are 100% warranted.
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Which comments are we referring too... My comment was simply that I find it funny when people say, “where are the Trump supporters!” On s2, where there really is almost no representation of Trump supporters. If the goal with that sentiment Is to shame them (the two(?)) for not talking then ok, have it. If the goal is to have a conversation with why someone would vote for him, thats unlikely to happen. Whatever, “your”, comments are I never once addressed you, or any of your comments...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Which comments are we referring too... My comment was simply that I find it funny when people say, “where are the Trump supporters!” On s2, where there really is almost no representation of Trump supporters. If the goal with that sentiment Is to shame them (the two(?)) for not talking then ok, have it. If the goal is to have a conversation with why someone would vote for him, thats unlikely to happen. Whatever, “your”, comments are I never once addressed you, or any of your comments...
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I think your point was understood the first time

Nothing surprising about people wanting to hear/read what trump supporters say about this when for 5 years they kept defending hiM that he wasn’t racist
 
Trump in essence leaked white supremacy via twitter to over 80 million followers...then it was taken down...I'd say taken down by someone in his staff who is supposed to proofread his tweets...Trump is flailing around looking for a lifeboat in the waters as the Titanic goes under. 80 million got to hear the chant and connect it to the president
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
No, voting for someone does not mean you "support them".
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Lanny said:
That doesn't mean they support everything about the man.
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I think this is semantics.

There are three forms of support you can offer a politician, if you are a regular person. You can give them money, you can campaign for them, you can vote for them.

Any one of those qualifies as support.


  1. sup·port
    /səˈpôrt/
    verb:
  2. give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.
barfo
 
riverman said:
Trump in essence leaked white supremacy via twitter to over 80 million followers...then it was taken down...I'd say taken down by someone in his staff who is supposed to proofread his tweets...Trump is flailing around looking for a lifeboat in the waters as the Titanic goes under. 80 million got to hear the chant and connect it to the president
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The scary part is if someone actually proofreads his tweets...
 
barfo said:
I think this is semantics.

There are three forms of support you can offer a politician, if you are a regular person. You can give them money, you can campaign for them, you can vote for them.

Any one of those qualifies as support.


  1. sup·port
    /səˈpôrt/
    verb:
  2. give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.
barfo
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4 ...you can sleep with them, accept hush money and honor the NDA
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So when you vote for Biden does that mean you support or condone every bill and thing he’s done in various political offices for the last 50 years? .
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Of course not. The HUGE difference is most of the people here who are going to vote for him are easily able to admit to and call out his dumb shit. Most likely wanted someone other than him. I did! I think he's an ass. I wanted Bernie. I think the whol thing needs to burn to the ground, personally. It's all a shit show. But if it's Biden or Trump, that's an easy, easy, easy call for me. Feel free to post bad shit he's done, I'll agree with some things I don't like. Trumpers just spin spin spin or ignore, or support it because it allows them to be just as shitty.
 
illmatic99 said:
it means they think his behavior is acceptable.

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But this does not mean that they like everything that Trump says or does. ABM, for example, places a high priority on the saving of fetuses from Abortion. He sees this, I presume, as some form of manslaughter. I wish he could weigh this with all the lives of people already born that Trump takes. I think he'd find a willing audience to listen to him plea for enhanced protection of fetuses in exchange for his listening to ways of saving the lives of people whom most of us consider to have been fetuses that actually survived long enough to be viable or at least have some sort of nervous system. I find it difficult to blame ABM for having a conscience about underdeveloped fetuses while I have a conscience for those that are developed. We are different but both of us have consciences and legitimate points for us to discuss.
 
RR7 said:
Of course not. The HUGE difference is most of the people here who are going to vote for him are easily able to admit to and call out his dumb shit. Most likely wanted someone other than him. I did! I think he's an ass. I wanted Bernie. I think the whol thing needs to burn to the ground, personally. It's all a shit show. But if it's Biden or Trump, that's an easy, easy, easy call for me. Feel free to post bad shit he's done, I'll agree with some things I don't like. Trumpers just spin spin spin or ignore, or support it because it allows them to be just as shitty.
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Maybe some, maybe the ones here I dont know. I know people who, “support”, if were saying that’s synonymous for voted for, that would and have called him out for things he’s done. I know a few who have said they just wont vote, which is good for your (Im assuming), side of the aisle.
 
barfo said:
I think this is semantics.

There are three forms of support you can offer a politician, if you are a regular person. You can give them money, you can campaign for them, you can vote for them.

Any one of those qualifies as support.


  1. sup·port
    /səˈpôrt/
    verb:
  2. give assistance to, especially financially; enable to function or act.
barfo
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Support doesn't mean all out support. I wear suspenders with my suits. Sometimes the support they provide gives me wedgies and that's when I pull down on my shorts against the support of my necessary suspenders used to hold my pants up. I hope this puts it into terms you can relate to.
 
RR7 said:
Of course not. The HUGE difference is most of the people here who are going to vote for him are easily able to admit to and call out his dumb shit. Most likely wanted someone other than him. I did! I think he's an ass. I wanted Bernie. I think the whol thing needs to burn to the ground, personally. It's all a shit show. But if it's Biden or Trump, that's an easy, easy, easy call for me. Feel free to post bad shit he's done, I'll agree with some things I don't like. Trumpers just spin spin spin or ignore, or support it because it allows them to be just as shitty.
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100% in alignment with this post. I was so apathetic ahout Joe and have repeatedly chided the Dem establishment for pulling the shit with Bernie. Desperately wanted change and reform in every facet of government.

But with our existing 2 party platform, i'm forced to vote for anyone but trump. I'm also proudly in support of Joe because I'm not an immigrant hating racist with a 70 IQ.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So when you vote for Biden does that mean you support or condone every bill and thing he’s done in various political offices for the last 50 years?
How many people in this thread actually wanted Biden to be the candidate from the Dems in the first place, most of you probably DONT support Biden, you were supporting other candidates, and now will support Biden because he’s not Trump. Which is fine you can vote for whoever you want too, but you’d think its stupid for me to surmise that you condone, or support Everything Bidens done, yet when you expect Trump supporters (again there are maybe 2-3 even here), to answer for every stupid thing Trump does?

No issue, I think its just silly to read, “what does the Trump supporters think, why arent they commenting?” When there is maybe 2 that you’re trying to call out, and acting like they need to answer for every stupid thing Trump does.
You can call out whoever you want too, and shame me for my libertarian viewpoints if you want since Ive pretty consistently voted Libertarian, If you get something out of thinking you flexed hard on people who you DONT even have patience for, congrats. I can think it’s silly and you can keep doing it, and you can think Im terrible thats your choice and my choice.
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I think it's more of the people who find ways to condone, and support, pretty much every stupid thing he's doing.

They're in whole different bubble when it comes to how they support their candidates. If Biden starts throwing out code words for racists, starts doing some of the really idiotic and damaging shit that Trump does, people won't defend him. And even if they do defend him, it won't be the blind lock step that those Trump supporters do.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
No, voting for someone does not mean you "support them". That's a fallacy. There are a lot of reasons why someone might for someone. Like in 2016 people may have voted for Trump because they didn't want Hillary. There is probably the opposite of that too.

My anecdotal experience is that most people in America vote not because they really want someone to win, but because they represent the right color (red or blue), or they really don't want the other color to win. Sure there are "supporters" of someone who will take their side no matter what but I'd guess those are fewer than you think.
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Here we are again old friend.Surrounded by the forces of the evil Mordred, trying to overthrow the good king, Arthur.
 
illmatic99 said:
100% in alignment with this post. I was so apathetic ahout Joe and have repeatedly chided the Dem establishment for pulling the shit with Bernie. Desperately wanted change and reform in every facet of government.

But with our existing 2 party platform, i'm forced to vote for anyone but trump. I'm also proudly in support of Joe because I'm not an immigrant hating racist with a 70 IQ.
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I dont support Joe, I wont be voting for Trump (wouldnt ever), I’m voting for Jacob Hornberger.
I guess I hate immigrants and have a 70 IQ. Which Im not here to convince you otherwise. Least my IQ is still double my age for a little while, so I got that going for me.
 
julius said:
I think it's more of the people who find ways to condone, and support, pretty much every stupid thing he's doing.

They're in whole different bubble when it comes to how they support their candidates. If Biden starts throwing out code words for racists, starts doing some of the really idiotic and damaging shit that Trump does, people won't defend him. And even if they do defend him, it won't be the blind lock step that those Trump supporters do.
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I agree, the hardcore Trump supporters who make their logic look like pretzels, its a cultish personality.
I had an aunt (she’s passed now), who was kind of similar except on the other end. She would only vote Democratic Women and that was it, nothing else about them mattered.
Im not saying people cant call out ABM or El Prez or whatever other ‘Trump supporter’ they want too. Im not defending them or hardcore supporters Trump at all. I just personally find it funny when I see the comments here, has that ever led to a good conversation? Which admittedly Im not sure people are looking for, their looking to shame their enemies I guess?


Anyways... I didnt expect that original comment to snowball into whatever this.
 
Hornberger wants to eliminate funding for most any federal projects, national parks, education, eliminate income tax, wants to turn education over to the free market. Free market health care. Repealing social security. Repealing welfare.
My big issue with libertarians, or libertarian candidates rather, is it kind of makes the assumption we all start off from the same point. ANd then the "free market" is the same for everyone.
 
RR7 said:
My big issue with libertarians, or libertarian candidates rather, is it kind of makes the assumption we all start off from the same point. ANd then the "free market" is the same for everyone.
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Exactly. It's intellectually dishonest to essentially say "Let's let everyone run their own race with no assistance or regulations" when some people start their race up to a mile ahead.

IMO, Libertarianism sounds superficially reasonable and falls apart the moment you probe it at all.
 
RR7 said:
Hornberger wants to eliminate funding for most any federal projects, national parks, education, eliminate income tax, wants to turn education over to the free market. Free market health care. Repealing social security. Repealing welfare.
My big issue with libertarians, or libertarian candidates rather, is it kind of makes the assumption we all start off from the same point. ANd then the "free market" is the same for everyone.
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Yup. Im not in alignment with everything he wants to do. I personally think the two party system is the crutch that keeps the US from walking forward at all and I wont ‘support’ either. He’s not going to win obviously. I’d rather have Bernie in his own third party and then maybe Id vote for him, though Im not at all a socialist / globalist look to the Government to fix all societies Ills, the two party system is broken and bought off by rich corporations and foreign countries.
 
Minstrel said:
Exactly. It's intellectually dishonest to essentially say "Let's let everyone run their own race with no assistance or regulations" when some people start their race up to a mile ahead.

IMO, Libertarianism sounds superficially reasonable and falls apart the moment you probe it at all.
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I personally think socialism sounds superficially reasonable and falls apart when you probe at all, at least on the more extreme side. I think you need checks and balances, and some balance to things to make things go forward, I wouldnt support any “one” political ideology in its extreme’s.
 
I mean it was never really very cool, those of us who never supported him had our obvious reasons for that... But at this point people who are "die hard" Trump supporters really have no excuse for supporting him. Like at this point all the EVIDENCE is out there!
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I see the comments here, has that ever led to a good conversation? Which admittedly Im not sure people are looking for, their looking to shame their enemies I guess?
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I don't worry about what people are looking for or what's leading to a good conversation when it comes to our political culture at all.....I proudly take a stand and say the emperor has no clothes...when you have lived enough of life you should find it relatively easy to pinpoint logical reasons to distrust someone and sense dangerous behavior where it brews...taking a stand and supporting it doesn't mean you're creating enemies....it means you know who you are and you see problems that should be eliminated. Anyone who needs to be convinced Trump is an honest trustworthy person with America's diverse populations needs a priority just doesn't pay attention in my view...it's time for harsh words in face of harsh leadership....reasonable doubt worked about 3 years ago with Trump....barely..he's thrown that under the bus long ago, What I see often in the forum are people asking questions that they know will reap answers they disagree with...baiting. Those are common in silly threads
 
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