Trump supporters, what would he have to say before you would not vote for him?

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barfo said:
It was for nothing because it was a fucking stupid thing to do in the first place. Staying there forever after wouldn't have made it all peaches and rainbows.

barfo
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What's done is done. Doesn't mean to waste all the gains that were made. The ones Obama talked about in his own words.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That's the nice thing about this country, you are free to leave and help the Iraqis all you want. If Obama won't send Americans then Americans can send themselves. I'm sure you can get a couple of guns once you get there.
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Did you think about that before you posted?
 

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The NYTimes, also in 2014:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html

As more moderate Syrian rebel groups were beaten down by the Syrian security forces and their allies, ISIS increasingly took control of the fight, in part on the strength of weapons and funding from its operations in Iraq and from jihadist supporters in the Arab world.

That fact has led American lawmakers and political figures, including former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, to accuse President Obama of aiding ISIS’ rise in two ways: first by completely withdrawing American troops from Iraq in 2011, then by hesitating to arm more moderate Syrian opposition groups early in that conflict.

“I cannot help but wonder what would have happened if we had committed to empowering the moderate Syrian opposition last year,” Representative Eliot L. Engel, the senior Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said during a recent hearing on the crisis in Iraq. “Would ISIS have grown as it did?”
 
Denny Crane said:
No matter how you want to spin it, the media is absolutely wrong about Trump on this one, and they know it. Obama is the founder of ISIS.
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And Reagan is the founder of Al Qaeda? There's actually a much stronger case for that, given that he helped arm the Mujahideen. (Assuming he knew what was happening by that stage and wasn't fully senile.)
 
Denny Crane said:
Because we helped Saddam win the Iran-Iraq war. We made that monster, it was up to us to undo it.
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That's a great excuse for continuing to be at war until the end of time.

If we defeat ISIS, we'll have 'helped' create whatever comes next, which you'll want us to 'undo' later on, and then since we 'helped' 'undo' that, we'll have to 'help' again later...

And then multiply that by all the countries we've already 'helped' all over the world...

barfo
 
Rastapopoulos said:
And Reagan is the founder of Al Qaeda? There's actually a much stronger case for that, given that he helped arm the Mujahideen. (Assuming he knew what was happening by that stage and wasn't fully senile.)
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Go ahead and make the case. FDR Or Woodrow Wilson was the founder of NAZI Germany by that logic.

Even if Reagan armed al Qaeda, it was wiped out by 2011 when Obama surrendered Iraq.
 
barfo said:
That's a great excuse for continuing to be at war until the end of time.

If we defeat ISIS, we'll have 'helped' create whatever comes next, which you'll want us to 'undo' later on, and then since we 'helped' 'undo' that, we'll have to 'help' again later...

And then multiply that by all the countries we've already 'helped' all over the world...

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Utter nonsense.

Name these other countries where we helped empower a dictator who killed millions of his own people.

You can't.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
And Reagan is the founder of Al Qaeda? There's actually a much stronger case for that, given that he helped arm the Mujahideen. (Assuming he knew what was happening by that stage and wasn't fully senile.)
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Oh bull shit! Carter under the nitwit guidance of Brzezinski armed the Mujahideen. Reagan finally ended the program. It was a screw up to be sure as was bombing Serbia by another do good President.
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Denny Crane said:
Utter nonsense.

Name these other countries where we helped empower a dictator who killed millions of his own people.

You can't.
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Ferdinand Marcos and under Reagan we armed and supported Saddam Hussein against Iran and Osama Bin Laden against the Russians
 
We also supported South Africa before a British journalist exposed apartheid via Steven Biko
 
Denny Crane said:
Utter nonsense.

Name these other countries where we helped empower a dictator who killed millions of his own people.

You can't.
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He makes a good point Denny...your response is just sensationalizing Syrian civil war as if genocide has never occured
 
riverman said:
decent has nothing to do with INS or birthright here
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Well in the case of Natural born, I think you are incorrect. But my use of the term was in reference to British law at the time of Obama's birth.
The first generation of British subjects born abroad were considered British "by right of descent". In Obama's case, Kenyan British, as Kenya was a British Colony at the time.
That law is in keeping with the definition of Natural Born in the Law of Nations. We do the same with the first generation born abroad to US citizens, although it is not defined
as near as I can tell, in US code. But it was in the first immigration law of 1792 which has been superseded some what incompletely.
 
riverman said:
He makes a good point Denny...your response is just sensationalizing Syrian civil war as if genocide has never occured
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We had no business intervening. Handing Libya over to ISIS might be a learning experience.
 
riverman said:
Ferdinand Marcos and under Reagan we armed and supported Saddam Hussein against Iran and Osama Bin Laden against the Russians
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What would invading the Phillipenes accomplish?
 
I'm not a Trump supporter.

I'm anti Hiliar and her allies in the media.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not a Trump supporter.

I'm anti Hiliar and her allies in the media.
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I'm not a Hillary supporter but I would never sort through her Trump criticisms and continually post them against Trump...even though it's not necessary...Trump is tanking and using the media to do it..it's pretty obvious ...Obama admitted he dropped the ball in Syria but Syria is not his fault...he just could've secured the perimeter from becoming ISIS training camps. Bush could've done that too by stopping the Iraqi militants from escaping to Syria when we first invaded...I don't trust the government to tell me the truth, never have, but I trust the internet even less to tell me the truth
 
riverman said:
I'm not a Hillary supporter but I would never sort through her Trump criticisms and continually post them against Trump...even though it's not necessary...Trump is tanking and using the media to do it..it's pretty obvious ...Obama admitted he dropped the ball in Syria but Syria is not his fault...he just could've secured the perimeter from becoming ISIS training camps. Bush could've done that too by stopping the Iraqi militants from escaping to Syria when we first invaded...I don't trust the government to tell me the truth, never have, but I trust the internet even less to tell me the truth
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I'm not posting any of Trump's criticisms of Hiliar. They're obvious enough for me to come up with them on my own.

Syria is Obama's fault. So is ISIS.

If we left 40,000 troops on bases in the desert in Iraq like we should have, there'd be no ISIS and Syria would not have turned into an ISIS stronghold.
 
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