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Denny Crane said:
When you leave and the enemy almost immediately takes the land you fought to control, that's surrender.

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But Ron Paul (according to your post) said Obama was at war for two full terms. When did he find time to surrender and create ISIS.......? Just sayin'.....
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
But Ron Paul (according to your post) said Obama was at war for two full terms. When did he find time to surrender and create ISIS.......? Just sayin'.....
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Obama was at war for two full terms.

Within a couple of weeks of winning his nobel prize, he was bombing 6 countries - 5 of those not being bombed prior. The last of Obama's bombs fell the day before he left office.

We weren't bombing Iraq when he took office, but we are now. Due to the surrender.
 
Denny Crane said:
Obama was at war for two full terms.

Within a couple of weeks of winning his nobel prize, he was bombing 6 countries - 5 of those not being bombed prior. The last of Obama's bombs fell the day before he left office.

We weren't bombing Iraq when he took office, but we are now. Due to the surrender.
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Got it. But you still didn't answer my question....
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Got it. But you still didn't answer my question....
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Obama surrendered Iraq at the end of 2011.

ISIS didn't exist prior, and the precursor to ISIS was just a few radical extremists who had no traction in gaining any kind of support.

Left wing source:

https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/the-resurgence-of-al-qaeda-in-iraq/

Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) has seemingly returned from the dead.[1] On the verge of strategic defeat as U.S. forces departed Iraq, AQI has since regrouped into a large and growing force, contributing to the surge in violence in Iraq and the broader region.​

Our presence there provided stability and a couple of years of peace.

IraqCivilianCasualties_Chart_01192016.png
 
https://www.aei.org/publication/bush-warned-this-would-happen-in-iraq/

In 2007, President George W. Bush warned that if America withdrew prematurely from Iraq, American troops would eventually have to return:

To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready … would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous. [EMPHASIS ADDED].

Well just an hour ago, the Washington Post reported:

President Obama said Thursday it is now clear Iraq will need help from the United States as the situation there deteriorates, adding that he wouldn’t “rule out anything,” including drone strikes and air strikes, but not ground troops.

“What we’ve seen over the last couple of days indicates the degree to which Iraq’s going to need more help,” Obama said during a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott at the White House. “So my team is working around the clock to identify how we can provide the most effective assistance to them. I don’t rule out anything, because we do have a stake in making sure that these jihadists are not getting a permanent foothold in either Iraq or Syria, for that matter.”

He’s not ruling anything out, you see – except ground troops. He’s ruling that out.

Let’s recall that Obama inherited a pacified Iraq, where al Qaeda had been defeated — both militarily and ideologically.
 
The withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq began in December 2007 with the end of the Iraq War troop surge of 2007 and was completed by December 2011, bringing an end to the Iraq War. The number of U.S. military forces in Iraq peaked at 170,300 in November 2007.

The withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq was a contentious issue in the United States for much of the 2000s. As the war progressed from its initial invasion phase in 2003 to a nearly decade-long occupation, American public opinion shifted towards favoring a troop withdrawal; in May 2007, 55% of Americans believed that the Iraq War was a mistake, and 51% of registered voters favored troop withdrawal.[7] In late April 2007 Congress passed a supplementary spending bill for Iraq that set a deadline for troop withdrawal but President Bush vetoed this bill, citing his concerns about setting a withdrawal deadline.[8][9][10] The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.[1][11][12] US Forces, in the form of air support, resumed operations in Iraq in June 2014, to defend it against ISIL.

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2008 U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement[edit]
In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a specific date, 30 June 2009, by which American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities, and a complete withdrawal date from Iraqi territory by 31 December 2011.[13] On 14 December 2008 then-President George W. Bush signed the security agreement with Iraq. In his fourth and final trip to Iraq, President Bush appeared in a televised news conference with Iraq's prime minister Nouri al-Maliki to celebrate the agreement and applauded security gains in Iraq saying that just two years ago "such an agreement seemed impossible".[27]

President Obama's speech on 27 February 2009[edit]
On 27 February 2009, at Marine Corps Base Camp Lejeune in North Carolina, President Barack Obama announced his revision to the original date of withdrawal of combat troops from Iraq. The revision was to extend the original date of 30 June 2009 for an additional 10 months, to 31 August 2010. After which all but a "transitional force" of 35,000 to 50,000 troops would be withdrawn from the Middle Eastern nation. President Obama reaffirmed commitment to the original complete withdrawal date of 31 December 2011, set by the agreement between the Bush Administration and the Iraqi government.[28] President Obama defined the task of the transitional force as "training, equipping, and advising Iraqi Security Forces as long as they remain non-sectarian; conducting targeted counter-terrorism missions; and protecting our ongoing civilian and military efforts within Iraq".[29]

Withdrawal[edit]
August 2010 partial withdrawal[edit]
On 19 August 2010 the 4th Stryker Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division was the last American combat brigade to withdraw from Iraq.

In a speech at the Oval Office on 31 August 2010 Obama declared: "the American combat mission in Iraq has ended. Operation Iraqi Freedom is over, and the Iraqi people now have lead responsibility for the security of their country."[30][31][32]

About 50,000 American troops remained in the country in an advisory capacity as part of "Operation New Dawn," which ran until the end of 2011. New Dawn was the final designated U.S. campaign of the war. The U.S. military continued to train and advise the Iraqi Forces, as well as participate in combat alongside them.[33]

Full withdrawal (2011)[edit]
See also: U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
With the collapse of discussions about extending the stay of U.S. troops,[34][35] President Obama announced the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq, as previously scheduled, on 21 October 2011.[35] The U.S. retained an embassy in Baghdad[35] with some 17,000 personnel,[36] consulates in Basra, Mosul and Kirkuk, which have been allocated more than 1,000 staff each,[36] and between 4,000 and 5,000 defense contractors.[35] President Obama and al-Maliki outlined a broad agenda for post-war cooperation without American troops in Iraq during a joint press conference on 12 December 2011 at the White House. This agenda included cooperation on energy, trade and education as well as cooperation in security, counter-terrorism, economic development and strengthening Iraq's institutions. Both leaders said their countries would maintain strong security, diplomatic and economic ties after the last U.S. combat forces withdraw.[37][38]

President Barack Obama paid tribute to the troops who served in Iraq on 14 December 2011, at the Fort Bragg military base in North Carolina. As the last of the American troops prepared to exit Iraq, he said the United States was leaving behind a "sovereign, stable and self-reliant" Iraq.[39] On 15 December, an American military ceremony was held in Baghdad putting a formal end to the U.S mission in Iraq.[40][41][42] The last 500 soldiers left Iraq on the morning of 18 December 2011.[1][2][3][4][5][6] At the time of withdrawal, the United States had one remaining soldier, Staff Sergeant Ahmed K. Altaie, still missing in Iraq since 23 October 2006, and had offered a $50,000 reward for his recovery.[43] On 26 February 2012, his death was confirmed.[44][45][46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
 
1. You (and others) have made it exceedingly clear there is no Right Wing Media......so this must be fake news.

2. The American electorate wanted the US out of Iraq (utterly indisputable). So we got out. But then, this is the same electorate that elected Donald. Obama was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. But to be fair, the same thing can be said for Donny. Only the political party is different. Time to let Iraq and the rest of that part of the world collapse in on itself.

3. F**k George W. Bush. He should have known it was a briar patch. His own father was smart enough to avoid that but Sonny wasn't paying attention. Big surprise. Look where that got us.
 
ISIS commands 31,000 loyal fighters according to the United States - up from 16,000 last Autumn - while Kurdish forces put that number at closer to 200,000. And around eight million are thought to live under its barbaric rule.

This inspired more than 60 nations to commit to the Global Coalition to Counter ISIS which was formed to 'eliminate' ISIS, even though some of these - including Austria, Sweden and Ireland - are simply providing humanitarian support to the millions made homeless by the insurgents.


As part of Operation Inherent Resolve, the US-led coalition whose purpose is to eliminate ISIS, 13 different countries have executed airstrikes on Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria.

The United States and five of its Arab allies - Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates - launched the intense campaign of airstrikes and cruise-missile attacks against ISIS in September 2014.

Since then, America has been responsible for around 60 per cent of the 16,000 bombings on Iraq and Syria carried out since.

The UK's Tornado fighters and remote-controlled drones have conducted 194 strikes over Iraq as of 23 March - killing 242 militants - according to figures released to the Daily Mail.
Guess Denny has forgotten how many countries collaborate in the war against ISIS and how many branches in different countries ISIS cooperates with...this war is a global one.....but you paint this picture of us as an occupational army...not a coalition effort
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Full SURRENDER (2011)[edit]
See also: U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
With the collapse of discussions about extending the stay of U.S. troops,[34][35] President Obama announced the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq, as previously scheduled, on 21 October 2011.[35] The U.S. retained an embassy in Baghdad[35] with some 17,000 personnel,[36] consulates in Basra, Mosul and Kirkuk, which have been allocated more than 1,000 staff each,[36] and between 4,000 and 5,000 defense contractors.[35] President Obama and al-Maliki outlined a broad agenda for post-war cooperation without American troops in Iraq during a joint press conference on 12 December 2011 at the White House. This agenda included cooperation on energy, trade and education as well as cooperation in security, counter-terrorism, economic development and strengthening Iraq's institutions. Both leaders said their countries would maintain strong security, diplomatic and economic ties after the last U.S. combat forces withdraw.[37][38]

President Barack Obama paid tribute to the troops who served in Iraq on 14 December 2011, at the Fort Bragg military base in North Carolina. As the last of the American troops prepared to exit Iraq, he said the United States was leaving behind a "sovereign, stable and self-reliant" Iraq.[39] On 15 December, an American military ceremony was held in Baghdad putting a formal end to the U.S mission in Iraq.[40][41][42] The last 500 soldiers left Iraq on the morning of 18 December 2011.[1][2][3][4][5][6] At the time of withdrawal, the United States had one remaining soldier, Staff Sergeant Ahmed K. Altaie, still missing in Iraq since 23 October 2006, and had offered a $50,000 reward for his recovery.[43] On 26 February 2012, his death was confirmed.[44][45][46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
1. You (and others) have made it exceedingly clear there is no Right Wing Media......so this must be fake news.

2. The American electorate wanted the US out of Iraq (utterly indisputable). So we got out. But then, this is the same electorate that elected Donald. Obama was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. But to be fair, the same thing can be said for Donny. Only the political party is different. Time to let Iraq and the rest of that part of the world collapse in on itself.

3. F**k George W. Bush. He should have known it was a briar patch. His own father was smart enough to avoid that but Sonny wasn't paying attention. Big surprise. Look where that got us.
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YES, Fuck George W Bush.

That doesn't mean you inherit a bad situation and surrender.
 
Denny Crane said:
Full SURRENDER (2011)[edit
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That would have been epic if you had actually gone to Wikipedia and edited that entry to say Full Surrender. The fact that you edited my post to try and prove yourself right is just sad.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
That would have been epic if you had actually gone to Wikipedia and edited that entry to say Full Surrender. The fact that you edited my post to try and prove yourself right is just sad.
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Your post suggests it was all part of a step by step withdrawal. It was sudden and abrupt, on a timetable, not based upon a good outcome.

By every measure, it was a surrender.

It is one thing to draw troops down to a level that can assure the fragile young state could hold together, and another to throw them in the deep end and expect them to swim. They sank, predictably.

When the president lost the will to fight the enemy, or keep it at bay, and left as quickly as possible, leaving military equipment on the battlefield, and the result is our enemy controlling the land we had controlled, it is by definition, surrender.

That is not hindsight, it was assured.

We have dozens of military bases throughout the region, and the few that would have prevented ISIS from arising AT ALL.

If you don't want me to win, stop throwing me softballs. They look the size of watermelons.
 
Denny Crane said:
Your post suggests it was all part of a step by step withdrawal.
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It was a step by step withdrawal.

Denny Crane said:
If you don't want me to win, stop throwing me softballs. They look the size of watermelons.
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Is this what it's about for you? A need to be declared a winner? Fine, you're the winner of DennyAnneopoly but that doesn't mean you're right about what you're saying.
 
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