"Trumpgrets" (3 Viewers)

[Denny Crane]

Read this.

Fact check.



The guy is an expert. Don't have to take my word for it.

 

[Chris Craig]

Here you go, riverman. Stand against Russia. Sanctions are the prelude to war.

So, just let Russia do whatever they want? Let them build themselves into a superpower? Hell no

 

[Chris Craig]

Here you go, riverman. Stand against Russia. Sanctions are the prelude to war.

Not doing anything and allowing Russia to build itself into a superpower is a prelude to war.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The problem is, there isn't any conversation, just a bunch of name calling and shit a load of yes you are, no I'm not...what is this the fucking third grade...come the fuck on

This!

 

[riverman]

Seems that you've made a huge rush to judgment.

why assume he hasn't made a cool, calm and objective observation? We've had a year and a half of campaign promises...Stevenson is just a guy, saying something today to you...

Here you go, riverman. Stand against Russia. Sanctions are the prelude to war.

sure....we've been at war with Cuba and N Korea for how long now? When will we pull out of Iran.? C'mon Denny! Putin doesn't even take those sanctions seriously....Russian people are joking about it on the media...you seem to know less about sabre rattling than you do about surrender

 

[Denny Crane]

Not doing anything and allowing Russia to build itself into a superpower is a prelude to war.

So launch the nukes?

There isn't any CAUSE.

Read the Medium.com article.

The government isn't telling us how than are sure that the Russian government is involved.

What was presented was barely circumstantial evidence, if evidence at all. Just an accusation.

 

[Denny Crane]

why assume he hasn't made a cool, calm and objective observation? We've had a year and a half of campaign promises...Stevenson is just a guy, saying something today to you...

sure....we've been at war with Cuba and N Korea for how long now? When will we pull out of Iran.? C'mon Denny! Putin doesn't even take those sanctions seriously....Russian people are joking about it on the media...you seem to know less about sabre rattling than you do about surrender

He was specific about a "lie" that is going to embarrass himself if Trump does have a set of facts to present.

Clinton is on record (video) saying she was against gay marriage. This election she said she is for it. By your standard she lied. Doesn't at all allow the person to change their POV.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Clinton is on record (video) saying she was against gay marriage. This election she said she is for it. By your standard she lied. Doesn't at all allow the person to change their POV.

LOL! 12 years vs 1 month.

But again, your continued Hillary did it so it's okay if Trump does it is not a valid argument. It's just making excuses.

 

[Denny Crane]

LOL! 12 years vs 1 month.

But again, your continued Hillary did it so it's okay if Trump does it is not a valid argument. It's just making excuses.

The problem is, there isn't any conversation, just a bunch of name calling and shit a load of yes you are, no I'm not...what is this the fucking third grade...come the fuck on

This!

 

[riverman]

By your standard she lied

by my standard I could give a flying fuck what she did....I didn't vote for her

 

[Denny Crane]

by my standard I could give a flying fuck what she did....I didn't vote for her

Read the medium.com article.

Hopefully it's not too technical for you.

 

[blue32]

It has been proven that the Russians hacked us. Sanctions have been leveled, that even republicans are saying are neccessary, yet Trump is playing ring round the roses with his pal Putin. If he is going to be the president he needs to be the president and stand with his country against Russia. Any other action on his part is only further evidence that he doesn't belong in the white house.

A Romanian hacked the illegal Clinton server. That is not "us" , and not Russia.

A phishing scam outed Podesta. It was no foreign "hack". It was his own stupidity on GMAIL. Furthermore why hasn't Google corroborated the 'outside' IP that accessed his account? Surely they could easily see a different network/device accessing it.

That leaves the DNC. Which again, is not "us", as it's not a Government agency.

And if you read the 13 page report released, it gives no smoking gun, it basically reasserts previous claims without providing any support for their validity.

A good take on the document.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/

Not to mention this has been going on since 2015 and not a fucking peep back then. Then all of the sudden the Democrats lose and this is blamed for it? Bullshit.

Standing against Russia is not the way forward. That is only going to lead to more escalation, confrontation, and possible war. You guys and your warmongering.... totally screwy. Furthermore the only war with Russia is nuclear war. So people need to fuck off with this idea of retaliation.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A Romanian hacked the illegal Clinton server. That is not "us" , and not Russia.

A phishing scam outed Podesta. It was no foreign "hack". It was his own stupidity on GMAIL. Furthermore why hasn't Google corroborated the 'outside' IP that accessed his account? Surely they could easily see a different network/device accessing it.

That leaves the DNC. Which again, is not "us", as it's not a Government agency.

And if you read the 13 page report released, it gives no smoking gun, it basically reasserts previous claims without providing any support for their validity.

http://arstechnica.com/security/201...016-election-bitter-debate-likely-to-rage-on/

Not to mention this has been going on since 2015 and not a fucking peep back then. Then all of the sudden the Democrats lose and this is blamed for it? Bullshit.

Standing against Russia is not the way forward. That is only going to lead to more escalation, confrontation, and possible war. You guys and your warmongering.... totally screwy. Furthermore the only war with Russia is nuclear war. So people need to fuck off with this idea of retaliation.

I really like it when you take the time to write out a reply like that. I may not agree with everything but I respect the shit out of you for making it.

Thing that we all must ask ourselves is why did Russia take such an active interest in this election. It's not because they don't like Hillary. Also I just don't buy that if people don't trust or like Russia it means that they want to go to war with them. I run across people I don't like but that doesn't mean I want to beat them up or kill them. It's just an odd escalation. Best buddies with Russia or war?!?

 

[riverman]

Standing against Russia is not the way forward. That is only going to lead to more escalation, confrontation, and possible war. You guys and your warmongering.... totally screwy. Furthermore the only war with Russia is nuclear war. So people need to fuck off with this idea of retaliation.

I agree with all this

 

[Denny Crane]

Now that we don't have a space program that can take people into space, the Russians are the ones who give our guys a ride to the space station.

They're not our enemies.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Now that we don't have a space program that can take people into space, the Russians are the ones who give our guys a ride to the space station.

They're not our enemies.

If Pakistan is considered an ally then "not our enemy" sounds pretty shitty.

 

[MarAzul]

It's just an odd escalation.

It is, especially on the word of Obama. I don't trust him. He ought to play lame duck as he surely is. Twenty days of golf and shut the fuck up.

 

[MarAzul]

I didn't vote for her

Your hands are clean.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[Denny Crane]

If Pakistan is considered an ally then "not our enemy" sounds pretty shitty.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/29/pakistan-an-inseparable-ally-of-the-united-states/

Pakistan: an Inseparable Ally of the United States

 

[Denny Crane]

Imagine if your president had sex with an intern.

You do realize how very low you guys set the bar?

 

[riverman]

Imagine if your president had sex with an intern.

uh...nah Denny...Lewinsky was a consenting adult...bad comparison to lurking over a group of high school sophmores...Trump is famous for his low standards of conduct...long, long before he had political interests....probably started in Studio 54 in the 70s...Free Willy and him are actually probably brothers in arms in the womanizing world

 

[SlyPokerDog]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/29/pakistan-an-inseparable-ally-of-the-united-states/

Pakistan: an Inseparable Ally of the United States

Yes! What an awesome ally! Best friend!

Sold DIY kits to build nukes to North Korea & Iran.

Funded the Taliban and the terrorists who caused 9/11.

Hid Bin Laden.

 

[riverman]

Yes! What an awesome ally! Best friend!

Sold DIY kits to build nukes to North Korea & Iran.

Funded the Taliban and the terrorists who caused 9/11.

Hid Bin Laden.

It also forgot to mention that the current govt there is formed after a military coup....they're about as together as any banana republic dictatorship but without us....India will take back the entire Kashmir Hindu Kush area...that's the war zone there...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

India will take back the entire Kashmir Hindu Kush area...that's the war zone there...

The Kasmir area is fucking frightening. There won't be a war there, just multiple nukes launched.

 

[riverman]

The Kasmir area is fucking frightening. There won't be a war there, just multiple nukes launched.

I think this is Putin and Trumps plan to threaten China....broker an alliance with those two regions and point the nukes northeast

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think this is Putin and Trumps plan to threaten China....broker an alliance with those two regions and point the nukes northeast

This is one of the most frightening things you will ever read. This is how Pakistan will lose control of part of their nuclear arsenal. This is how a nuke will eventually end up destroying part of Europe or the USA.


Pakistan Carts Its Nukes Around In Delivery Vans

Pakistan is taking nuclear paranoia to a horrifying new low. And it’s making the world a vastly more dangerous place in the process.

Freaked out about the insecurity of its nuclear arsenal, the Pakistani military’s Strategic Plans Division has begun carting the nukes around in clandestine ways. That might make some sense on the surface: no military wants to let others know exactly where its most powerful weapons are at any given moment. But Pakistan is going to an extreme.

The nukes travel “in civilian-style vehicles without noticeable defenses, in the regular flow of traffic,” according to a blockbuster story on the U.S.-Pakistan relationship in The Atlantic. Marc Ambinder and Jeffrey Goldberg write that tactical nuclear weapons travel down the streets in “vans with a modest security profile.” Somewhere on a highway around, say, Karachi, is the world’s most dangerous 1-800-FLOWERS truck.

Tom Clancy should be suing Pakistani generals for ripping off the basic idea behind The Sum Of All Fears. You’ll recall that Pakistan is home to al-Qaida, a particularly fearsome version of the Taliban, the leadership of the old-school Taliban, its friends in the Haqqani Network and a host of anti-Indian terrorist groups that the Pakistani intelligence service employ as proxies. Sometimes the Pakistani military helps these terrorist and insurgent groups attack U.S. troops in Afghanistan. And any one of these groups would love a chance to wield a nuclear weapon.

Except that Pakistan isn’t trying to safeguard its nukes from them. It’s trying to safeguard its nukes from us. The Navy SEAL raid in Abbottabad that killed Osama bin Laden has made important Pakistani generals think that the U.S. military’s next target is Pakistani nukes. So off the vans go, along what Ambinder and Goldberg term “congested and dangerous roads,” trying to throw off the scent of the U.S., with little more than hope to protect them from an adventurous highwayman.

The irony is that the U.S. isn’t planning to steal Pakistan’s nukes — but Pakistan’s cavalier attitude toward nuclear security is making the U.S. think twice about whether it should revise some worst-case-scenario contingency planning.

Should any of the nukes go missing, an “Abbottabad redux” would likely occur, Ambinder and Goldberg report. An anonymous military official tells the pair that the Joint Special Operations Command “has units and aircraft and parachutes on alert in the region for nuclear issues, and regularly inserts units and equipment for prep.” Seizing Pakistani nukes during or after a military coup is a much harder mission, but the reporters consider it doable. “t’s wise for the U.S. to try to design a plan for seizing Pakistan’s nuclear weapons in a low-risk manner,” Goldberg and Ambinder advise, placing a lot of rhetorical freight on the words “low-risk.”

That is, if the U.S. actually knows where the nukes are. “Anyone who tells you that they know where all of Pakistan’s nukes are is lying to you,” ex-national security adviser Jim Jones allegedly said. The Econolines of Doom make that knowledge even more uncertain.

All of which points to the self-reinforcing downward spiral of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship. U.S. cash continues to go into the Pakistanis’ pockets, and from there into the hands of anti-American terrorists. There is, for many justified reasons, absolutely no trust between either side’s security services and militaries. There is also no alternative to the toxic relationship that anyone cited in the Atlantic piece is willing to contemplate. (When I recently suggested that the U.S. cut off aid and continue the drone war until Pakistan reins in terror groups, I got blasted on Twitter as a warmonger.) “There is no escaping this vexed relationship,” Ambinder and Goldberg conclude, reflecting the conventional wisdom in Washington and Islamabad.

Which sinks the U.S. into the nadir of absurdity. It funds a terrorist-sponsoring state while conducting a massive undeclared war on part of that state’s territory. It wants that state’s assistance to end the Afghanistan war while that state’s soldiers help insurgents wage it. And seeking a world without nuclear weapons while its “Major Non-NATO Ally” drastically increases the probability that terrorists will acquire a the most dangerous weapon of all.

https://www.wired.com/2011/11/pakistan-nukes-delivery-vans/

 

[Denny Crane]

This is one of the most frightening things you will ever read. This is how Pakistan will lose control of part of their nuclear arsenal. This is how a nuke will eventually end up destroying part of Europe or the USA.


Pakistan Carts Its Nukes Around In Delivery Vans

Pakistan is taking nuclear paranoia to a horrifying new low. And it’s making the world a vastly more dangerous place in the process.

Freaked out about the insecurity of its nuclear arsenal, the Pakistani military’s Strategic Plans Division has begun carting the nukes around in clandestine ways. That might make some sense on the surface: no military wants to let others know exactly where its most powerful weapons are at any given moment. But Pakistan is going to an extreme.

The nukes travel “in civilian-style vehicles without noticeable defenses, in the regular flow of traffic,” according to a blockbuster story on the U.S.-Pakistan relationship in The Atlantic. Marc Ambinder and Jeffrey Goldberg write that tactical nuclear weapons travel down the streets in “vans with a modest security profile.” Somewhere on a highway around, say, Karachi, is the world’s most dangerous 1-800-FLOWERS truck.

Tom Clancy should be suing Pakistani generals for ripping off the basic idea behind The Sum Of All Fears. You’ll recall that Pakistan is home to al-Qaida, a particularly fearsome version of the Taliban, the leadership of the old-school Taliban, its friends in the Haqqani Network and a host of anti-Indian terrorist groups that the Pakistani intelligence service employ as proxies. Sometimes the Pakistani military helps these terrorist and insurgent groups attack U.S. troops in Afghanistan. And any one of these groups would love a chance to wield a nuclear weapon.

Except that Pakistan isn’t trying to safeguard its nukes from them. It’s trying to safeguard its nukes from us. The Navy SEAL raid in Abbottabad that killed Osama bin Laden has made important Pakistani generals think that the U.S. military’s next target is Pakistani nukes. So off the vans go, along what Ambinder and Goldberg term “congested and dangerous roads,” trying to throw off the scent of the U.S., with little more than hope to protect them from an adventurous highwayman.

The irony is that the U.S. isn’t planning to steal Pakistan’s nukes — but Pakistan’s cavalier attitude toward nuclear security is making the U.S. think twice about whether it should revise some worst-case-scenario contingency planning.

Should any of the nukes go missing, an “Abbottabad redux” would likely occur, Ambinder and Goldberg report. An anonymous military official tells the pair that the Joint Special Operations Command “has units and aircraft and parachutes on alert in the region for nuclear issues, and regularly inserts units and equipment for prep.” Seizing Pakistani nukes during or after a military coup is a much harder mission, but the reporters consider it doable. “t’s wise for the U.S. to try to design a plan for seizing Pakistan’s nuclear weapons in a low-risk manner,” Goldberg and Ambinder advise, placing a lot of rhetorical freight on the words “low-risk.”

That is, if the U.S. actually knows where the nukes are. “Anyone who tells you that they know where all of Pakistan’s nukes are is lying to you,” ex-national security adviser Jim Jones allegedly said. The Econolines of Doom make that knowledge even more uncertain.

All of which points to the self-reinforcing downward spiral of the U.S.-Pakistan relationship. U.S. cash continues to go into the Pakistanis’ pockets, and from there into the hands of anti-American terrorists. There is, for many justified reasons, absolutely no trust between either side’s security services and militaries. There is also no alternative to the toxic relationship that anyone cited in the Atlantic piece is willing to contemplate. (When I recently suggested that the U.S. cut off aid and continue the drone war until Pakistan reins in terror groups, I got blasted on Twitter as a warmonger.) “There is no escaping this vexed relationship,” Ambinder and Goldberg conclude, reflecting the conventional wisdom in Washington and Islamabad.

Which sinks the U.S. into the nadir of absurdity. It funds a terrorist-sponsoring state while conducting a massive undeclared war on part of that state’s territory. It wants that state’s assistance to end the Afghanistan war while that state’s soldiers help insurgents wage it. And seeking a world without nuclear weapons while its “Major Non-NATO Ally” drastically increases the probability that terrorists will acquire a the most dangerous weapon of all.

https://www.wired.com/2011/11/pakistan-nukes-delivery-vans/

And that's how we treat our allies. We also spy on their leaders, tap their phones, etc.

But they're the bad guys somehow.

 

[blue32]

uh...nah Denny...Lewinsky was a consenting adult...bad comparison to lurking over a group of high school sophmores...Trump is famous for his low standards of conduct...long, long before he had political interests....probably started in Studio 54 in the 70s...Free Willy and him are actually probably brothers in arms in the womanizing world

Well we do have the Creepy-Biden.
Unfortunately there is more where this came from.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Drain the Swamp!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/02/polit...ight-of-ethics-committee-amendment/index.html

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