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Will those in "the know" please do a Cliffs Notes version of what's going on. The HCP is very confused if you can believe that.
 
HCP said:
Will those in "the know" please do a Cliffs Notes version of what's going on. The HCP is very confused if you can believe that.
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When patriots love each other they make a baby. This baby is known as the United States.
 
HCP said:
Will those in "the know" please do a Cliffs Notes version of what's going on. The HCP is very confused if you can believe that.
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Republicans want to deport you. Democrats don't. The government won't be funded til they decide whether or not you stay.

That's really simplified, of course.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
Do the politicians not get paid or is military and civilian staff only ones who get raped?
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Federal gov't politicians get paid. My sailors who have to do their Reserve Duty today won't (until "back pay" comes "later").

It's kind of messed up...the Navy has to provide lodging for people who drill more than 50 miles away from the drill site. One of the requirements for that is that you have to drill an entire day the next day (makes sense...don't want people staying for free if they're not working). B/c we don't have bases and barracks in every town that has a reserve center, hotels are contracted at preferred rates for those sailors.

So...last night we found out at midnight that the gov't was shut down. Those who were not using the lodging were ordered not to come in (b/c they wouldn't be paid) and the drills are being rescheduled. Those who had lodging, so that the Navy could say they met the requirement of "a full day of work if you stayed in a room", had to go in today, unpaid (for now).
 
Now I'm torn

1. HCP would be deported
2. Axl Rose is "woke" according to Huffpost.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK!!!!!
 
BrianFromWA said:
Federal gov't politicians get paid. My sailors who have to do their Reserve Duty today won't (until "back pay" comes "later").

It's kind of messed up...the Navy has to provide lodging for people who drill more than 50 miles away from the drill site. One of the requirements for that is that you have to drill an entire day the next day (makes sense...don't want people staying for free if they're not working). B/c we don't have bases and barracks in every town that has a reserve center, hotels are contracted at preferred rates for those sailors.

So...last night we found out at midnight that the gov't was shut down. Those who were not using the lodging were ordered not to come in (b/c they wouldn't be paid) and the drills are being rescheduled. Those who had lodging, so that the Navy could say they met the requirement of "a full day of work if you stayed in a room", had to go in today, unpaid (for now).
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Thats bullshit. Fuck politicians. They should give their checks to military, you know, people who actually do shit.
 
Minstrel said:
Republicans want to deport you. Democrats don't. The government won't be funded til they decide whether or not you stay.

That's really simplified, of course.
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HCP is an illegal alien? Or since he is Hispanic, are you just assuming so?
 
Dems, without having any objections to anything in the budget, voted to shut down.

Reps voted to stay open for business.

President Trump has made his wishes clear, to stay open for business, but he does not actually get a vote in this.

The temporary shutdown, which from a running it as a business view is really no big deal at all, is all on Congress.

The Swamp Shutdown.
 
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MARIS61 said:
Dems, without having any objections to anything in the budget, voted to shut down.
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Sure they did. They had a problem with a continuing resolution that only lasts for another month, which is what the House passed and the Senate put up for vote. Lurching from crisis to crisis isn't governance and nothing will have changed in a month. Even the military doesn't like constant CRs, because it gives them no funding number to use for long-term planning. So yes, Democrats (and some Republicans) had an objection to this continuing resolution. Better to require a real resolution now rather than kick the can down the street for another month.
 
MARIS61 said:
Dems, without having any objections to anything in the budget, voted to shut down.

Reps voted to stay open for business.
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Trump had a deal on the table with the Dems and backed down in the last minute....it was Trump that finalized the shutdown...Dems even offered wall money...Trump in the end would not compromise
 
Minstrel said:
Sure they did. They had a problem with a continuing resolution that only lasts for another month, which is what the House passed and the Senate put up for vote. Lurching from crisis to crisis isn't governance and nothing will have changed in a month. Even the military doesn't like constant CRs, because it gives them no funding number to use for long-term planning. So yes, Democrats (and some Republicans) had an objection to this continuing resolution. Better to require a real resolution now rather than kick the can down the street for another month.
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So a starving college student that's tired of Top Ramen should quit eating because they tire of a bad situation?

I'm NOT eating until I can eat a healthy diet.

Makes sense.

Especially if you want to make Trump completely oppose DACA. Which being a vengeful sort he likely will.
 
Minstrel said:
Sure they did. They had a problem with a continuing resolution that only lasts for another month, which is what the House passed and the Senate put up for vote. Lurching from crisis to crisis isn't governance and nothing will have changed in a month. Even the military doesn't like constant CRs, because it gives them no funding number to use for long-term planning. So yes, Democrats (and some Republicans) had an objection to this continuing resolution. Better to require a real resolution now rather than kick the can down the street for another month.
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Fake news.

The CR only even arose due to the Dems refusal to approve the budget, instead insisting on attaching the non-budget issue of amnesty for illegals which they already know will not be decided without the Supreme Court Ruling which is expected around mid-Summer.

This is going to cost Dems a lot more seats in Nov.
 
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riverman said:
Trump had a deal on the table with the Dems and backed down in the last minute....it was Trump that finalized the shutdown...Dems even offered wall money...Trump in the end would not compromise
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No such deal ever existed.
 
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MARIS61 said:
No such deal ever existed.
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Well there you go with the fake news line again maris......according to AP feeds all day, they did have a deal..but it was contingent upon DACA being upheld...GOP didn't want to play ball....simple...and there's a difference between a deal on the table and a deal agreed to in the end...the deal was on the table..it sure did exist
 
Newly elected Alabama Sen. Doug Jones, in his most high-profile vote since taking office, was one of five Democratic senators to vote overnight with Republicans on a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown.

Jones’ election to the Senate last month marked the first time in 25 years that Alabama voters picked a Democratic senator.

The election results sparked much political speculation about whether Jones would vote with Republicans or fellow Democrats, considering that Alabama is one of the country’s most conservative-leaning states and gave President Trump more than 62 percent of its vote in 2016.

While Jones’ vote this weekend might suggest an intent to represent his electorate or win a 2020 re-election, he made clear from the start of his improbable special-election win that his top priority upon arriving on Capitol Hill would be to keep alive the Children's Health Insurance Program, which the GOP spending bill did for several years.

“Because of CHIP and the many families in Alabama and around our country that would be put in jeopardy by a government shutdown, I felt compelled to vote yes,” Jones said in a statement posted on his Twitter account.

Jones won last month by less than 2 percentage points over Republican candidate Roy Moore, a conservative firebrand whose campaign was severely damaged in the closing months by allegations of sexual misconduct as a young man.

The Republican leaders of the GOP-controlled Senate failed overnight to get the 60 votes needed to move forward and pass a temporary spending bill to keep the government fully operational past Friday midnight.

Republicans have a 51-to-49 member majority in the Senate. The vote was 50-49.

Arizona GOP Sen. John McCain did not vote because he’s home recovering from cancer treatment.
 
MARIS61 said:
The Republican leaders of the GOP-controlled Senate failed overnight to get the 60 votes needed to move forward and pass a temporary spending bill to keep the government fully operational past Friday midnight.
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and there's your answer....in your own post!
 
Trump for many years has claimed vehemently that govt shutdowns are directly on the president.....he bashed Obama about it over and over ..now...well..he's changing that tune...
 
riverman said:
Well there you go with the fake news line again maris......according to AP feeds all day, they did have a deal..but it was contingent upon DACA being upheld...GOP didn't want to play ball....simple...and there's a difference between a deal on the table and a deal agreed to in the end...the deal was on the table..it sure did exist
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Trump said from the beginning (6 months ago when the courts ruled DACA an illegal over-reach by Obama) he would sign into law any deal that Congress brought to him, and gave them until March 5th to do so.

Sen. Pelosi very publicly asked to keep DACA separate from the budget deal and the President agreed.

4 Dems and 2 Reps tried to secretly offer a deal the rest of Congress had not even seen and Trump threw them out.

Schumer re-presented the same basic deal and the President again told him to present it to Congress for a vote and if it passed he would sign it into law.

Dems voted down the budget in typical tantrum style.
 
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