Politics Truth and respect

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[jonnyboy]

It’s just impossible to take Bernie Sanders seriously. You can’t just get up and say all the right things while having the biggest blind spot when it comes to the fact your own constituents are the problem. He got bent over by the Democratic Party and chose to do their bidding instead of standing up for himself. I have zero respect for a neutered, two-faced pussy like this. His words no longer hold any weight and he knows it. He’s been defeated, politically and morally, and is luckily still allowed by his masters to go do these little speaking engagements to make a buck.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It’s just impossible to take Bernie Sanders seriously. You can’t just get up and say all the right things while having the biggest blind spot when it comes to the fact your own constituents are the problem. He got bent over by the Democratic Party and chose to do their bidding instead of standing up for himself. I have zero respect for a neutered, two-faced pussy like this. His words no longer hold any weight and he knows it. He’s been defeated, politically and morally, and is luckily still allowed by his masters to go do these little speaking engagements to make a buck.

What exactly are you suggesting he should have done?

 

[Road Ratt]

Which states have the highest and lowest rates of homelessness?

New York, Vermont, and Oregon have the highest rates of homelessness across the 50 states.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-lowest-rates-of-homelessness/

Bernie's state of Vermont has some of the highest rates of homeless, per capita, in America. Mad respect Bernie!

In fact, looking at the list, one thing glaringly stands out. The number of Blue states in the top ten. Mad respect democrats!

Edit: Oregon ranks near the middle for total population of all the U.S. states, yet ranks near the top for homeless. Mad respect Oregon politicians!

 

[barfo]

What exactly are you suggesting he should have done?

Insurrection, obviously. If he wasn't such a pussy, he would have had his mob attack the capital, like a real leader.

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

Which states have the highest and lowest rates of homelessness?

New York, Vermont, and Oregon have the highest rates of homelessness across the 50 states.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-lowest-rates-of-homelessness/

Bernie's state of Vermont has some of the highest rates of homeless, per capita, in America. Mad respect Bernie!

In fact, looking at the list, one thing glaringly stands out. The number of Blue states in the top ten. Mad respect democrats!

Edit: Oregon ranks near the middle for total population of all the U.S. states, yet ranks near the top for homeless. Mad respect Oregon politicians!

And your proposed solutions would be? You appear to be suggesting more right wing policies?

 

[Road Ratt]

My point is: Words mean nothing... without action to back them up. Bernie can spout all the beautiful words that he wants. But, his words are meaningless if they aren't helping his constituents.

I would make sure corporate America paid our citizens living wages. I would keep corporate America out of our housing market so they can't raise your housing and rental costs to the point where our citizens end up on the streets. In other words: Working for all our citizens rather than just the top few wealthiest.

America needs national rent control. Rent has raised so fast the last couple of decades while wages aren't keeping pace. Yet all we get out of the democrats that I can see, so far, is banning homeless and pod farms. That is heartless imo.

Not that any of this matters. Our government won't implement any of it. As it is, pods farms seem to be Americans dystopian future.

 

[Hoopguru]

And your proposed solutions would be? You appear to be suggesting more right wing policies?

Anti capitalist aren't exactly right wingers in my book...

 

[riverman]

Which states have the highest and lowest rates of homelessness?

New York, Vermont, and Oregon have the highest rates of homelessness across the 50 states.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-highest-and-lowest-rates-of-homelessness/

Bernie's state of Vermont has some of the highest rates of homeless, per capita, in America. Mad respect Bernie!

In fact, looking at the list, one thing glaringly stands out. The number of Blue states in the top ten. Mad respect democrats!

Edit: Oregon ranks near the middle for total population of all the U.S. states, yet ranks near the top for homeless. Mad respect Oregon politicians!

5,000 families lost their homes in the woods in Oregon to forest fires in one fire season when covid started...that's a lot of homeless people and politics has nothin' to do with it. Not saying Oregon doesn't have a problem but I am saying it's not all for political reasons. In some cases it's also a choice to be homeless. My late younger brother was homeless off and on due to his own gambling addictions and mounting gambling debts...a kid that grew up as my sons classmate was just found OD'd from heroin in the state park ..he had a new baby and a home but was homeless off and on due to his addiction...he was 32. There are as many reasons for homelessness as there are homeless people. I think churches should provide shelters for all of them every night. Having a home is one of the great challenges of those without an inheritance

 

[Phatguysrule]

Anti capitalist aren't exactly right wingers in my book...

I was more referring to the more liberal cities listed as having high rates of homelessness.

It just so happens those cities are more liveable than most more right wing cities. They don't allow as much abuse of rights as the more right wing cities/states. They are more tolerant in general than most right wing cities and states.

Basically, people want to live in these places. Therefore there is more demand for housing so housing costs more.

So the policies are far better for the population... Thereby there is a greater demand for resources.

Should Bernie stop supporting policies that make his state desirable?

He already supports housing all of the homeless... and medicare for all with, no out of pocket cost. But he's not an emperor.

 

[Phatguysrule]

50,000 people lost their homes in the woods in Oregon to forest fires in one fire season when covid started...that's a lot of homeless people and politics has nothin' to do with it. Not saying Oregon doesn't have a problem but I am saying it's not all for political reasons. In some cases it's also a choice to be homeless. My late younger brother was homeless off and on due to his own gambling addictions and mounting gambling debts...a kid that grew up as my sons classmate was just found OD'd from heroin in the state park ..he had a new baby and a home but was homeless off and on due to his addiction...he was 32. There are as many reasons for homelessness as there are homeless people. I think churches should provide shelters for all of them every night. Having a home is one of the great challenges of those without an inheritance

Excellent point about the Oregon fires. That's a huge part of the problem here. We already had housing constraints and lost something like 10k homes.

I think we should just house them. There is tons of office space that can be converted, and which we should never need again.

That is the healthiest, most efficient, most effective, and least expensive course of action.

 

[oldfisherman]

50,000 people lost their homes in the woods in Oregon to forest fires in one fire season when covid started...
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One to many zeros, 5,000, not 50,000.

 

[riverman]

One to many zeros, 5,000, not 50,000.

fixed although It was 5 thousand houses..not sure how many people that actually covers..over a million acres affected and 201, 000 destroyed. No doubt that coupled with the pandemic ballooned the displaced population.

 

[jonnyboy]

fixed although It was 5 thousand houses..not sure how many people that actually covers..over a million acres affected and 201, 000 destroyed. No doubt that coupled with the pandemic ballooned the displaced population.

I doubt the fires had much effect on the homeless population, that’s hardly an excuse for Oregon’s problems. People who own homes that burn down don’t just say “fuck it there’s a nice bridge downtown”. Most their homes were probably insured and even if they were denied coverage, most homeowners are working people with some sort of safety net.
And as for the pandemic, well, the rest of the country went through that as well.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I doubt the fires had much effect on the homeless population, that’s hardly an excuse for Oregon’s problems. People who own homes that burn down don’t just say “fuck it there’s a nice bridge downtown”. Most their homes were probably insured and even if they were denied coverage, most homeowners are working people with some sort of safety net.
And as for the pandemic, well, the rest of the country went through that as well.

Those people do move into other homes. Which raises the prices of housing across the board. Which increases the rate of homelessness.

Supply and demand. Supply was reduced, demand was increased. Prices go up.

This is a well known phenomenon.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I posted that video not because of who said it but what he said.

There are millions of people who work honorably, honestly, and thanklessly as civil servants in this country.

And while one of you doesn't like the messenger because he didn't win the presidency, there are people who work hard to make sure we get to vote and that those votes count.

And another of you doesn't like the messenger because he didn't end homelessness in his own state, there are those who are trying so very hard to help the homeless with limited funds and resources.

Telling Ivy League students to consider working for their community, city, state, or country is a message they need to hear.

 

[riverman]

I doubt the fires had much effect on the homeless population, that’s hardly an excuse for Oregon’s problems. People who own homes that burn down don’t just say “fuck it there’s a nice bridge downtown”. Most their homes were probably insured and even if they were denied coverage, most homeowners are working people with some sort of safety net.
And as for the pandemic, well, the rest of the country went through that as well.

not everybody can cover a mortgage in the winter with a pile of charcoal on a concrete foundation to come home to...I stated that there are as many reasons for homelessness as there are homeless people and there are homeless people all over the planet. Oregon is a tolerant place for people without ways and means to congregate under a bridge. Personally I don't think they should have to. I think churches can and should walk that walk.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm always surprised at how long a house will sit vacant after a fire. Seems like insurance companies really drag their feet.

 

[jonnyboy]

not everybody can cover a mortgage in the winter with a pile of charcoal on a concrete foundation to come home to...I stated that there are as many reasons for homelessness as there are homeless people and there are homeless people all over the planet. Oregon is a tolerant place for people without ways and means to congregate under a bridge. Personally I don't think they should have to. I think churches can and should walk that walk.

Churches already do more charity in this country than any other “charitable” entities in existence and it’s not even close. Your personal disdain for organized religion doesn’t change that fact. Maybe your tax dollars should be less charitable to Boeing and Raytheon and more charitable to the people living under bridges and single mothers who can’t afford eggs.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Maybe your tax dollars should be less charitable to Boeing and Raytheon and more charitable to the people living under bridges and single mothers who can’t afford eggs.

In Oregon we've already approved more than enough tax dollars toward homelessness to house every homeless person in Oregon.

The dollars aren't the problem. The problem is the people who refuse to support housing the homeless.

 

[riverman]

Churches already do more charity in this country than any other “charitable” entities in existence and it’s not even close. Your personal disdain for organized religion doesn’t change that fact. Maybe your tax dollars should be less charitable to Boeing and Raytheon and more charitable to the people living under bridges and single mothers who can’t afford eggs.

You don’t know much about my donations to the tsi chi Buddhist foundation I’m guessing. I have no disdain for any well intentioned religious organization at all I love Jimmy Carters Habitat for Humanity
I also volunteered for Gleaners to distribute food to elderly folks and donated money for shelters for homeless in the Bay Area in the late 7os
Now you might list your contributions to society beyond tax dollars before you talk about my “disdain” I just donated my little truck to St Vinnie's so some poor family could have cheap transportation. It's what people who believe in social democracy do. Bill Gates has donated fortunes to social needs and literacy...I don't think he's a church though.

 

[Chris Craig]

One thing about homelessness in Oregon and other blue states is a lot of those people are from other states, who either came because there are better resources or were shipped on buses from other states trying to eliminate their own homeless numbers.

 

[jonnyboy]

Bill Gates has donated fortunes to social needs and literacy...I don't think he's a church though.

Bill Gates has done nothing but damage in his quest to corner markets and make billions in profits under the guise of philanthropy. People need to stop with that guy. Galavanting around third world countries offloading outdated “medicines” on people he views as guinea pigs for a profit and trying to monopolize agricultural markets aren’t charitable hobbies. He’s a sociopath.
Once again, churches give more to charity than any other entities. It was a simple statement.

 

[riverman]

Bill Gates has done nothing but damage in his quest to corner markets and make billions in profits under the guise of philanthropy. People need to stop with that guy. Galavanting around third world countries offloading outdated “medicines” on people he views as guinea pigs for a profit and trying to monopolize agricultural markets aren’t charitable hobbies. He’s a sociopath.
Once again, churches give more to charity than any other entities. It was a simple statement.

BS....the local public library and the school's in my town of a few thousand people here in the good ole USA received free computers for the public and the students. Gates foundation has donated billions to education in the US although I don't see what you hold against other countries in the world who need charity as well. That's hardly a character flaw. Gates has some pesonal issues but his foundation has done amazing work in the education field, like it or not. As far as expired vaccines..I think you're fishing for liberal repellent....next time I'll be sure to wear some patchouli oil for balance.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Bill Gates has done nothing but damage in his quest to corner markets and make billions in profits under the guise of philanthropy. People need to stop with that guy. Galavanting around third world countries offloading outdated “medicines” on people he views as guinea pigs for a profit and trying to monopolize agricultural markets aren’t charitable hobbies. He’s a sociopath.
Once again, churches give more to charity than any other entities. It was a simple statement.

The U.S. military has been giving its recruits outdated vaccines for decades. Standard protocol. Riverman and I are both lucky recipients, along with most every other veteran. And we have at least made it to our 70’s…..Make America Great Again!

 

[Phatguysrule]

Bill Gates has done nothing but damage in his quest to corner markets and make billions in profits under the guise of philanthropy. People need to stop with that guy. Galavanting around third world countries offloading outdated “medicines” on people he views as guinea pigs for a profit and trying to monopolize agricultural markets aren’t charitable hobbies. He’s a sociopath.
Once again, churches give more to charity than any other entities. It was a simple statement.

Bill Gates is a billionaire. It's hard to believe he's not a POS. That doesn't mean he's done nothing beneficial, but it probably means he hasn't done as much as he should have.

The only saving grace would be if he were giving no strings attached money like Mackenzie Scott.

And, to my knowledge, he is not.

 

[jonnyboy]

BS....the local public library and the school's in my town of a few thousand people here in the good ole USA received free computers for the public and the students. Gates foundation has donated billions to education in the US although I don't see what you hold against other countries in the world who need charity as well. That's hardly a character flaw. Gates has some pesonal issues but his foundation has done amazing work in the education field, like it or not. As far as expired vaccines..I think you're fishing for liberal repellent....next time I'll be sure to wear some patchouli oil for balance.

The entire public school curriculum is based on his nonsense common core principles. Public education has never been worse in this country than right now. Literacy down, test scores down, and this is after benchmarks and standards have all gone way down. Like everything else he touches, Bill Gates’ “contribution” to education has been disastrous.

 

[riverman]

The entire public school curriculum is based on his nonsense common core principles. Public education has never been worse in this country than right now. Literacy down, test scores down, and this is after benchmarks and standards have all gone way down. Like everything else he touches, Bill Gates’ “contribution” to education has been disastrous.

Sorry you don’t value an education. I’m glad my son graduated with honors and is a homeowner at 32. He’s at work now as he’s too busy to argue politics on a basketball forum but good luck with your homeschooling project and I hope you too can provide your neighbors kids with computer literacy programs and free computers. School is what you make of it. Hope you find success.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

The entire public school curriculum is based on his nonsense common core principles. Public education has never been worse in this country than right now. Literacy down, test scores down, and this is after benchmarks and standards have all gone way down. Like everything else he touches, Bill Gates’ “contribution” to education has been disastrous.

Bill Gates has little if anything to do with the shitty state of the current US education system. Today's educational clusterfuck is a direct result of decades of nihilist big business/capitalists using cynical, self serving politicians to deliberately undermine our educational systems. Ignorant and/or uneducated citizens are much easier to manipulate, control and steal from. All you have to do is look at the MAGA base to see irrefutable proof. Or just where America is at in general today. Marjorie Taylor Green actually has a four year college degree. She is proof positive that our education system is an abject failure. And Bill Gates had nothing whatsoever to do with her ignorance and (extremely self evident) illiteracy.

You don't like it when Trump is blamed for all that is bad. Yet you have no problem heaping blame on Gates, or Biden or whoever else pisses you off. Funny how that works......

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Bill Gates has little if anything to do with the shitty state of the current US education system. Today's educational clusterfuck is a direct result of decades of nihilist big business/capitalists using cynical, self serving politicians to deliberately undermine our educational systems. Ignorant and/or uneducated citizens are much easier to manipulate, control and steal from. All you have to do is look at the MAGA base to see irrefutable proof. Or just where America is at in general today. Marjorie Taylor Green actually has a four year college degree. She is proof positive that our education system is an abject failure. And Bill Gates had nothing whatsoever to do with her ignorance and (extremely self evident) illiteracy.

You don't like it when Trump is blamed for all that is bad. Yet you have no problem heaping blame on Gates, or Biden or whoever else pisses you off. Funny how that works......

Bill Gates is Hillary Clinton and Jimmy Carter's love child. This has been a conspiracy planned for decades. Microsoft was created to get people to use Apple phones. And Apple phones were created to get people to use electric cars and kill birds with windmills. Once the birds are dead liberals can finish taking over the world and changing everyone's gender.