Tulowitzki

[yankeesince59]

...make of this what you will;

http://bleedingyankeeblue.blogspot.com/2014/11/source-tulowitzki-to-yankees.html

http://www.si.com/mlb/2014/11/12/trade-options-elvis-andrus-troy-tulowitzki-matt-kemp

http://www.sportsmedia101.com/newyo...ch-troy-tulowitzki-trade-talks-are-fictitous/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-figure-to-be-among-hot-names-in-trade-talks/

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer...preferred-yanks-and-dodgers-not-easy-partners





...I like Heyman's slant.

 

[blgridesagain]

Tulo to the Yanks- how and why would this happen?
He makes a ton of money, is always injured and the Yanks would have to give up something good in return.
When he gets injured again, the Yanks will be on the hook for his salary, would be minus whatever they gave up for him, and then would have to replace him in lineup/field while he's out of action.

Leave him where he is.
It's too bad he's injury prone- it could've been the start of something special after Jeter retired.

 

[totus44]

You tease.....

 

[yankeesince59]

...like I said, "I like Heyman's slant".



...I posted the links because they showed both sides of a possible trade. Personally, If Tulo gets traded at all, I don't think it will happen until at least next season when it is found whether or not he has fully recovered from his surgery. Right now his value is not as high as it could be, and the Rockies know this. Likewise, other teams are understandably skittish about his health and are less likely to make a deal for him of if they do, they won't be willing to give up as much.
...so it would be smart for everyone involved to have a "wait and see" approach to Tulo.

 

[totus44]

...like I said, "I like Heyman's slant".



...I posted the links because they showed both sides of a possible trade. Personally, If Tulo gets traded at all, I don't think it will happen until at least next season when it is found whether or not he has fully recovered from his surgery. Right now his value is not as high as it could be, and the Rockies know this. Likewise, other teams are understandably skittish about his health and are less likely to make a deal for him of if they do, they won't be willing to give up as much.
...so it would be smart for everyone involved to have a "wait and see" approach to Tulo.

I'd do the deal with mutual retro-trade clause at one year. If the parties do no agree, then add cash, PTBNL considerations.

 

[yankeesince59]

I'd do the deal with mutual retro-trade clause at one year. If the parties do no agree, then add cash, PTBNL considerations.

...do you mean like a deal where the trade can be reversed if he turns out to be damaged goods...if so, hell yeah, I'd go for that.

 

[totus44]

...do you mean like a deal where the trade can be reversed if he turns out to be damaged goods...if so, hell yeah, I'd go for that.

Sure, Indian giver/buyers remorse deals exist. With more player values getting into 9 figures, we are gonna see more creatively crafted deals for risk mitigation.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Sure, Indian giver/buyers remorse deals exist. With more player values getting into 9 figures, we are gonna see more creatively crafted deals for risk mitigation.

Yep, I'd go for a reversal Indian Giver deal with Tulo....

Regardless of his injury, I'd still be first in line to hire him for his skills and services....Amen....

 

[yankeesince59]

Sure, Indian giver/buyers remorse deals exist. With more player values getting into 9 figures, we are gonna see more creatively crafted deals for risk mitigation.

...I'm not disputing what you implied...I just was not sure of your meaning.

...but is the type deal you are proposing legal or acceptable to MLBPA?...because I'm not sure.

 

[totus44]

...I'm not disputing what you implied...I just was not sure of your meaning.

...but is the type deal you are proposing legal or acceptable to MLBPA?...because I'm not sure.

Interesting question. Why would MLBPA not find this type of reverse deal clause that can only be triggered once, at the 1 year anniversary? Since they have to be legit trades, not likely to be abused as "rental" actions....that would be collusion for sure. Perhaps only can be invoked is a traded player is coming off some major injury or surgery. This would allow teams to move money around and likely promote more spending. It gives owners more risk mitigation, freeing them up to spend more as well. This is a potential win-win for both parties. Now if you got a lemon and want to reverse and the other side says no, then you get to arbitrate another player and/or prospects as additional compensation.

As a deal reversal it shouldn't be considered a second trade and not impact no-trade language.

 

[yankeesince59]

...the MLBPA would probably be a hard sell on this...but I still think it's a good idea...now, if we can only get them to buy into it.

...as long as the player's contract is still honored I don't really ses a problem with it.

 

[totus44]

...the MLBPA would probably be a hard sell on this...but I still think it's a good idea...now, if we can only get them to buy into it.

...as long as the player's contract is still honored I don't really ses a problem with it.

I would surmised that the MLBPA would favor any contract term that's designed to get more ownership groups dealing in 9 figure deals. This type of contract clause would promote more teams risking to take on large salary trades. Few teams could take a chance on dealing pitching prospects for Tulo. Its not just the most, its also the years, and if he breakdown a year in, most teams would be sol. Contracts are still guaranteed.

The other option would be a trade with clauses for cash/player considerations if the traded players fail to meet certain performance criteria. Safeguard clauses like this are very common in business today.

 

[yankeesince59]

...but there's a big difference between most businesses today vs MLB contracts.

...it will take a lot of work...not saying it's wrong, just saying it won't be a slam dunk getting it to happen.

...for example, what happens to the traded prospects if in the interim, they are traded to yet another team...it opens up a whole other can of worms.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

...but there's a big difference between most businesses today vs MLB contracts.

...it will take a lot of work...not saying it's wrong, just saying it won't be a slam dunk getting it to happen.

...for example, what happens to the traded prospects if in the interim, they are traded to yet another team...it opens up a whole other can of worms.

Good Question and point...! In that case, I'd say (tongue in cheek) its time to break out those Night-Crawlers and hit up the best Fishing Hole...!

 

[totus44]

...but there's a big difference between most businesses today vs MLB contracts.

...it will take a lot of work...not saying it's wrong, just saying it won't be a slam dunk getting it to happen.

...for example, what happens to the traded prospects if in the interim, they are traded to yet another team...it opens up a whole other can of worms.

The one year locks things in. And while baseball contracts are generous, they actually have many of the same clauses I see on a daily basis. My team has been working much of the year to undo a series of "guaranteed supply agreement" previous agreed to byva bunch of idiots. Looks just like a baseball contract including "no substitution" aka no-trade language. Oh and there is the seven year deal we inherited with performance bonuses....effin nightmare.

I doubt a Cashman type GM has the savvy....but a Epstein, Beanne, etc type of GM will pull something like this off one day.

 

[yankeesince59]

..."the one year"...ahhh, so for example, you're saying that team A promises team B that for one year, the player (who has a history of arm problems) will be free of arm injury...?... After that one year, team B is on their own...?...and if the player does in fact have an arm injury during that one year, team A must take the player back or pay __X___ amount of his remaining salary?

 

[totus44]

..."the one year"...ahhh, so for example, you're saying that team A promises team B that for one year, the player (who has a history of arm problems) will be free of arm injury...?... After that one year, team B is on their own...?...and if the player does in fact have an arm injury during that one year, team A must take the player back or pay __X___ amount of his remaining salary?

Basically. $ and/or player compensation. Baseball version of a lemon law, lol!

 

[yankeesince59]

...^^^pretty much...or a "get out of jail free" card.

 

[totus44]

...^^^pretty much...or a "get out of jail free" card.

Whichever. Anyway to get more teams in the 9 figure salary crap shoot. More you can mitigate risk, the more participants willing to play in the deep end.