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Tupac was a man among boys when it came to the world of entertainment.His life was filled with ups and downs, he had no father and his mother was a Black Panther who was addicted to drugs.Sometimes he rolled with Suge Knight (SP?) like the night he got shot, but he was also a close personal friend of MC Hammer who was trying to help him get his life back on track.He was no saint, he was no demon, he was both. Born and raised a demon who at times showed the dark inside, but who struggled to be a better person and to make a difference in the world.Who else, after the died at age 25, would have been considered the best at what they did 10 years later?
 
he did bring it on himself a bit, im not saying he deserved it or it was his fault at all... im just saying his lifestyle and things he did/said didint help his case, espically considering the tendencies of his peers when pissed off...*waits for some pac fan to freak the fuck out*
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he did bring it on himself a bit, im not saying he deserved it or it was his fault at all... im just saying his lifestyle and things he did/said didint help his case, espically considering the tendencies of his peers when pissed off...*waits for some pac fan to freak the fuck out*</div>So you're saying he deserved to get shot? PLease man, when u grow up in the ghetto youre not gonna be a polite n shit. He said and believed contradictory things because he felt they were wrong. He didnt keep shut and he always tried to change the world. He was a leader and no revolutions are unbloody. You might as well shouldve said MLK deserved to get shot.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 03:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he did bring it on himself a bit, im not saying he deserved it or it was his fault at all... im just saying his lifestyle and things he did/said didint help his case, espically considering the tendencies of his peers when pissed off...*waits for some pac fan to freak the fuck out*</div>So you're saying he deserved to get shot? PLease man, when u grow up in the ghetto youre not gonna be a polite n shit. He said and believed contradictory things because he felt they were wrong. He didnt keep shut and he always tried to change the world. He was a leader and no revolutions are unbloody. You might as well shouldve said MLK deserved to get shot.</div>ummm..."im not saying he deserved it or it was his fault at all... "
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he did bring it on himself a bit, im not saying he deserved it or it was his fault at all... im just saying his lifestyle and things he did/said didint help his case, espically considering the tendencies of his peers when pissed off...*waits for some pac fan to freak the fuck out*</div>So you're saying he deserved to get shot? PLease man, when u grow up in the ghetto youre not gonna be a polite n shit. He said and believed contradictory things because he felt they were wrong. He didnt keep shut and he always tried to change the world. He was a leader and no revolutions are unbloody. You might as well shouldve said MLK deserved to get shot.</div>No offense, but Tupac was nowheres near the person that MLK was, not saying that to disrespect him or anything, but MLK is one of the most influential people in US History and Tupac was a rapper who spoke the truth as he saw it. Big Difference.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 14 2006, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>he did bring it on himself a bit, im not saying he deserved it or it was his fault at all... im just saying his lifestyle and things he did/said didint help his case, espically considering the tendencies of his peers when pissed off...*waits for some pac fan to freak the fuck out*</div>So you're saying he deserved to get shot? PLease man, when u grow up in the ghetto youre not gonna be a polite n shit. He said and believed contradictory things because he felt they were wrong. He didnt keep shut and he always tried to change the world. He was a leader and no revolutions are unbloody. You might as well shouldve said MLK deserved to get shot.</div>No offense, but Tupac was nowheres near the person that MLK was, not saying that to disrespect him or anything, but MLK is one of the most influential people in US History and Tupac was a rapper who spoke the truth as he saw it. Big Difference.</div>Do you know how many people listened and still listen to 2pac' music 2day? Millions and worldwide. He's the most influential rapper of all time who still lives on through his music. If he wouldve had more time imagine what he wouldve done. and i never said 2pac is more influential than MLK, i said they both were leaders who did negative things or so called to get their point made. And I think Malcolm X was more influential than MLK.
 
mlk is like a billion nothces higher than tupac... and all i was saying is tupacs biggest mistake was not dropping all that hood, gangster, thug, fight, grudge crap... because it gets people shot....
 
As much as I love Tupac becuase of his Baltimore roots but as tough as it is to say he brought the violence upon himself. He was a brilliant guy, wiser than any person that will come off the streets, yet late in his career, he decided to ensue the East Coast/West Coast, Crips vs. Bloods battle. Maybe the whole Machiavelli theory of power got to his head too much but thing is, it cost him his life.He didn't have to go that way. Just because you're rich and famous doesn't mean you don't forget your roots. He could have easily walked away from thug life but chose to stay. Do I respect him for not wanting to let Hollywood get into his head? Yeah but then again he had to know that his success would make him a #1 target, as well as his "rival" Biggie Smalls. If Tupac just walked away from being part of the streets, I think he'd still be alive.50 Cent is walking away today, maybe he's learning from Tupac's mistake.Tupac will always be a legend but to say it was all a mistake he died isn't politically correct.
 
Tupac knew he was gonna die from his actions, it didnt matter to him cuz he knew his music would live on forever.And please dont bring 50 Cent into this, he doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence as Tupac.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Sep 14 2006, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tupac knew he was gonna die from his actions, it didnt matter to him cuz he knew his music would live on forever.And please dont bring 50 Cent into this, he doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence as Tupac.</div>i have a million times more respect for 50 than... uhh lets say... the game50 walks away, so be it with crappy music... game gets obsessed with the gangster, west coast, no snitching BS that gets people shot... and the game said "im big im hot, im nas im pac" sit down wannabe
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Sep 14 2006, 08:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tupac knew he was gonna die from his actions, it didnt matter to him cuz he knew his music would live on forever.And please dont bring 50 Cent into this, he doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence as Tupac.</div>i have a million times more respect for 50 than... uhh lets say... the game50 walks away, so be it with crappy music... game gets obsessed with the gangster, west coast, no snitching BS that gets people shot... and the game said "im big im hot, im nas im pac" sit down wannabe</div>50 Cent's gay lyrics and club bangers have made me lose all respect for him. Atleast Game hasnt changed from where he came from, and his songs arent about money and other bullshit. Plus it helps that Game is always dissin 50's bitch ass.
 
[quote name='david81' post='69223' date='Sep 14 2006, 08:54 PM'][quote name='TeNt' post='69220' date='Sep 14 2006, 05:44 PM'][quote name='david81' post='69216' date='Sep 14 2006, 08:39 PM']Tupac knew he was gonna die from his actions, it didnt matter to him cuz he knew his music would live on forever.And please dont bring 50 Cent into this, he doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence as Tupac.[/quote]i have a million times more respect for 50 than... uhh lets say... the game50 walks away, so be it with crappy music... game gets obsessed with the gangster, west coast, no snitching BS that gets people shot... and the game said "im big im hot, im nas im pac" sit down wannabe[/quote]50 Cent's gay lyrics and club bangers have made me lose all respect for him. Atleast Game hasnt changed from where he came from, and his songs arent about money and other bullshit. Plus it helps that Game is always dissin 50's bitch ass.[/quote]50s smart, 50s not going to get shot again, 50s rich... and he seems to acknowledge that he doesn't intend to rap and send any messages... and he wants money... hes damn good at getting itgames bringing back and is an example of the thugs who spring all this violence... hes just a punk ass bitch who thinks he needs to fight people because hes from comptonplus he said "im pac im nas"and hes a hypocrite... i could have sworn he used to do those songs with 50[quote name='Capt. Comeback' post='69225' date='Sep 14 2006, 09:03 PM']Rap sucks. That's all I've got to say.[/quote]do you like underoath or AFI? if so... go slit your wrists...
 
[quote name='TeNt' post='69228' date='Sep 14 2006, 06:08 PM'][quote name='david81' post='69223' date='Sep 14 2006, 08:54 PM'][quote name='TeNt' post='69220' date='Sep 14 2006, 05:44 PM'][quote name='david81' post='69216' date='Sep 14 2006, 08:39 PM']Tupac knew he was gonna die from his actions, it didnt matter to him cuz he knew his music would live on forever.And please dont bring 50 Cent into this, he doesnt deserve to be in the same sentence as Tupac.[/quote]i have a million times more respect for 50 than... uhh lets say... the game50 walks away, so be it with crappy music... game gets obsessed with the gangster, west coast, no snitching BS that gets people shot... and the game said "im big im hot, im nas im pac" sit down wannabe[/quote]50 Cent's gay lyrics and club bangers have made me lose all respect for him. Atleast Game hasnt changed from where he came from, and his songs arent about money and other bullshit. Plus it helps that Game is always dissin 50's bitch ass.[/quote]50s smart, 50s not going to get shot again, 50s rich... and he seems to acknowledge that he doesn't intend to rap and send any messages... and he wants money... hes damn good at getting itgames bringing back and is an example of the thugs who spring all this violence... hes just a punk ass bitch who thinks he needs to fight people because hes from comptonplus he said "im pac im nas"[quote name='Capt. Comeback' post='69225' date='Sep 14 2006, 09:03 PM']Rap sucks. That's all I've got to say.[/quote]do you like underoath or AFI? if so... go slit your wrists...[/quote]What do you get beat up alot by gangstas or somethin? Game is a punk ass bitch cuz he thinks he needs to fight lol? 50 is the bitch, and he isnt smart at all, have you heard his lyrics???Oh and Comeback is a little whiteboy racist, I think hes kinda suicidal...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>mlk is like a billion nothces higher than tupac... and all i was saying is tupacs biggest mistake was not dropping all that hood, gangster, thug, fight, grudge crap... because it gets people shot....</div>I know that stupid did you read my post. u have to be stupid because you're talking like an ignorant redneck racist. Beef sells. Pac was from the streets and wanted to change the world. He wasnt fake like these present rappers. He stayed in the hood with his people instead of going to country clubs with hypocrits. He knew he was gonna die but he just wanted to spread his message.
 
O and the game and 50 cent are both straight garbage. The documentary was all 50 and the game couldnt go a verse without mentioned Dre, Eazy E, NWA, or 50. that album is annoying. 50 hasnt come out with an album since forever, if he was a genius then he would already have another one out. Pac was always in the studios unlike 50 who likes making stupid movies and games.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>mlk is like a billion nothces higher than tupac... and all i was saying is tupacs biggest mistake was not dropping all that hood, gangster, thug, fight, grudge crap... because it gets people shot....</div>I know that stupid did you read my post. u have to be stupid because you're talking like an ignorant redneck racist. Beef sells. Pac was from the streets and wanted to change the world. He wasnt fake like these present rappers. He stayed in the hood with his people instead of going to country clubs with hypocrits. He knew he was gonna die but he just wanted to spread his message.</div>1.) did i ever say any present mainstream rappers are better tan pac2.) No im almost positive... actually am positive... he would rather have lived3.) he could have easily dropped the thug life, beef stuff, not beaten up that gang member after the boxing match, and still gotten his message across... but he chose not to... a mistake that cost him his life at age 254.) You obviously don't know shit.
 
You're obviously some larry the cable lookin mofo. I never u said any mainstream rappers are better than pac. If he wouldve dropped his gangsta ways as your ignorant ass put it then he wouldnt have sold albums or get his message across. Why are we talking about his death when he's in Cuba?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>do you like underoath or AFI? if so... go slit your wrists...</div>No, I'm not emo. Both of those bands are terrible.
 
Why does my post gets erased but Tents doesnt. Freedom of Speech.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>O and the game and 50 cent are both straight garbage. The documentary was all 50 and the game couldnt go a verse without mentioned Dre, Eazy E, NWA, or 50. that album is annoying. 50 hasnt come out with an album since forever, if he was a genius then he would already have another one out. Pac was always in the studios unlike 50 who likes making stupid movies and games.</div>50 was in only two songs. And dont bring up the movie thing, Tupac made alot more than 50 did 👍 Game has come out with good shit since he's left G-Unit, ofcourse most of it are disses but shit thats way better than what 50 and G-Unit are puttin out.
 
Lets calm down here people. None of these post talk about what Vilma was talking about. I don't think he intended to make a Tupac thread where people can argue who is cooler between The Game and 50 Cent.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Sep 14 2006, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lets calm down here people. None of these post talk about what Vilma was talking about. I don't think he intended to make a Tupac thread where people can argue who is cooler between The Game and 50 Cent.</div>Who is cooler? No one is talkin about who is cooler, its which is the bitch and which isnt. But yeah 50 shoulda never been brung up in this thread, but somehow he was
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1. No rapper alive (or dead for that matter) has even come close to the status of Tupac. Not 50 Cent, not The Game (I don't even know who that is, true rap died with Tupac since Snoop and Puffy went to the pop-rap style).2. Tupac wasn't involved in the beat down of that gang member. That was Suge Knight and his crew. MC Hammer vouched for Tupac and said he was a bystander, not a participant, in the beating.3. Tupac did not want to die. He just expected it. There is a difference.4. Tupac was influential beyond his music. He had people getting aids tests, was (usually) a testament to women's rights, and getting out the black vote. He did more good than he did evil in this world.5. While the last few months of his life were caught up in the East-West battle, this was a relapse. MC Hammer (a friend of his) had him improving his life and moving away from being a thug. Suge Knight pulled him back in.6. Rappers don't keep it real. Why do I say this? Because music changes the lifestyle. All these rappers talkin about the ghetto, when they've bought a house in Malibu (and they all do once they get a pay day) are nothing but a bunch of fakes. You aren't anti-establishment when you have a record deal with a major corporation and star in movies made by a major studio.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 14 2006, 11:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1. No rapper alive (or dead for that matter) has even come close to the status of Tupac. Not 50 Cent, not The Game (I don't even know who that is, true rap died with Tupac since Snoop and Puffy went to the pop-rap style).Chronic 20012. Tupac wasn't involved in the beat down of that gang member. That was Suge Knight and his crew. MC Hammer vouched for Tupac and said he was a bystander, not a participant, in the beating.Tupac was a participant, there was video evidence.3. Tupac did not want to die. He just expected it. There is a difference.Hmmm you probably werent talkin to me since I didnt say he wanted to, but he knew.4. Tupac was influential beyond his music. He had people getting aids tests, was (usually) a testament to women's rights, and getting out the black vote. He did more good than he did evil in this world.Thats right.5. While the last few months of his life were caught up in the East-West battle, this was a relapse. MC Hammer (a friend of his) had him improving his life and moving away from being a thug. Suge Knight pulled him back in.It wasnt really a battle, I dont think that many if at all anybody died...6. Rappers don't keep it real. Why do I say this? Because music changes the lifestyle. All these rappers talkin about the ghetto, when they've bought a house in Malibu (and they all do once they get a pay day) are nothing but a bunch of fakes. You aren't anti-establishment when you have a record deal with a major corporation and star in movies made by a major studio.50 Cent is alot faker than Game, which I dont think is fake at all but enough of this shit in a Tupac thread!</div>
 
[quote name='david81' post='69272' date='Sep 14 2006, 11:05 PM'][quote name='GotSkillz92' post='69255' date='Sep 14 2006, 07:14 PM']O and the game and 50 cent are both straight garbage. The documentary was all 50 and the game couldnt go a verse without mentioned Dre, Eazy E, NWA, or 50. that album is annoying. 50 hasnt come out with an album since forever, if he was a genius then he would already have another one out. Pac was always in the studios unlike 50 who likes making stupid movies and games.[/quote]50 was in only two songs. And dont bring up the movie thing, Tupac made alot more than 50 did 👍 Game has come out with good shit since he's left G-Unit, ofcourse most of it are disses but shit thats way better than what 50 and G-Unit are puttin out.[/quote]Tupac's movies were really good and Pac was a much better actor than 50 will ever be. Poetic Justice, Juice, Gridlock'd are ALOT BETTER movies than get rich or die trying. 50 made the album dont u get it. The Game wasnt even supposed to be in GUnit but Dre put em in there to get some some hype. The documentary was alright but better than most rap now. Like i said there wasnt a verse in which he didnt mention easy e, nwa, or dr. dre. Game has only come out with mixtapes and all about dissing g-unit. [quote name='david81' post='69289' date='Sep 15 2006, 12:47 AM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='69287' date='Sep 14 2006, 09:18 PM']Lets calm down here people. None of these post talk about what Vilma was talking about. I don't think he intended to make a Tupac thread where people can argue who is cooler between The Game and 50 Cent.[/quote]Who is cooler? No one is talkin about who is cooler, its which is the bitch and which isnt. But yeah 50 shoulda never been brung up in this thread, but somehow he was
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[/quote]I bet you wanna go to 50's candyshop and good post Vilma but i dont agree with number 1. Jay-Z, Biggie, Nas, Old Mobb deep, were still being bumped after pac died.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why does my post gets erased but Tents doesnt. Freedom of Speech.</div>They do it to me all the time
 
Nevermind sorry admins, i posted some stuff relating to this on other forum.
 
[quote name='GotSkillz92' post='69306' date='Sep 15 2006, 12:05 PM'][quote name='david81' post='69272' date='Sep 14 2006, 11:05 PM'][quote name='GotSkillz92' post='69255' date='Sep 14 2006, 07:14 PM']O and the game and 50 cent are both straight garbage. The documentary was all 50 and the game couldnt go a verse without mentioned Dre, Eazy E, NWA, or 50. that album is annoying. 50 hasnt come out with an album since forever, if he was a genius then he would already have another one out. Pac was always in the studios unlike 50 who likes making stupid movies and games.[/quote]50 was in only two songs. And dont bring up the movie thing, Tupac made alot more than 50 did 👍 Game has come out with good shit since he's left G-Unit, ofcourse most of it are disses but shit thats way better than what 50 and G-Unit are puttin out.[/quote]Tupac's movies were really good and Pac was a much better actor than 50 will ever be. Poetic Justice, Juice, Gridlock'd are ALOT BETTER movies than get rich or die trying. 50 made the album dont u get it. The Game wasnt even supposed to be in GUnit but Dre put em in there to get some some hype. The documentary was alright but better than most rap now. Like i said there wasnt a verse in which he didnt mention easy e, nwa, or dr. dre. Game has only come out with mixtapes and all about dissing g-unit. [quote name='david81' post='69289' date='Sep 15 2006, 12:47 AM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='69287' date='Sep 14 2006, 09:18 PM']Lets calm down here people. None of these post talk about what Vilma was talking about. I don't think he intended to make a Tupac thread where people can argue who is cooler between The Game and 50 Cent.[/quote]Who is cooler? No one is talkin about who is cooler, its which is the bitch and which isnt. But yeah 50 shoulda never been brung up in this thread, but somehow he was
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[/quote]I bet you wanna go to 50's candyshop and good post Vilma but i dont agree with number 1. Jay-Z, Biggie, Nas, Old Mobb deep, were still being bumped after pac died.[/quote]I've never seen GRODT so I wouldnt know, and what the fuck are you talkin about me goin to 50's Candyshop? Ey retard didnt I just say hes fuckin gay in this thread???
 
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