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Orion Bailey said:
okay so what is happening on the streets, a minority of the population pushing for forms of socialism on the majority?

i mean you cant have it both ways.
I read the other day how many of you agree that things have been flipped and the minority are finally taking control and the majority dont like it.

i mean. Which is it?
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How dare a minority demand demand the same rights and treatment as the majority.

If they want that they should become the majority!

#MoreBabies #ProLife
 
wizenheimer said:
so then, with Wisc. and Mich. apparently in the Biden column, all the chips are not on the table in the rust belt anymore

the chips are on the table in the capital of chips being on the table: Nevada

so, here is the current state of affairs in Nevada, according to the NY Times:

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a razor thin 7,647 vote lead for Biden

that leaves, according to the "86% reported" number, 190,000 votes left be counted. Now just about every time I've done that math in other states, my outstanding vote totals are larger than the actual outstanding vote totals. But for fun, call it 190,000 left....which is pretty scary in the context of a 7600 vote lead

so then, where are the remaining votes:

* Clarke County - about 150,000 of those votes are in Clark County (Las Vegas). Biden has been winning the votes in that county, 53% vs 45%. If that ratio holds, Biden would increase his lead by 9000 votes. But it was a mess of Clark County votes coming in late last night that dropped Biden's lead by about 11,000 votes. However, I saw a reporter on TV say those were the the last bulk of election day votes, leaving the rest as absentee. Oh great, more tension

* Reno County - about 27,000 votes left and Biden has been winning the county, 51% to 47%

so those two counties are where the chips are stacked. The trends of where the votes are and the party affiliation of absentee ballots would say Nevada is in Biden's column. But the nerve-wracking factor is having watched Biden's 25,000 vote lead shrink to under 8,000

and ratcheting up the nervousness are two things: Nevada won't resume counting till tomorrow. And Nevada allows ballots to be counted that come in by next Tuesday. Welcome to the terror train
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Absintee being left helps Biden bigly
 
Orion Bailey said:
he will be gone in four years max. My issues that matter to me for this country go much further out than that.
But i can see another wasted four yeRs of get trump out instead of just moving on to try to improve anything.. as if getting rump out solves anything long term


What matters to me is getting the money out of politics. Campaign finance reform.
Not another's opinion on someone being a racist or bigot.
To me, all this focus on trump is just pushing the real political issues under the rug.
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I agree with you that money needs to be out of politics.

But Trump needed to go. Our country will not survive another 4 years with him. Thats not hyperbole.

Once we get him out we can repair the country and take stock in 4 years after we have someone in office that actually listens to science during a pandemic and gets it under control, our economy bounces back.

You can't fix it all with this election, but you can't fix anything with the way it currently is, either. There HAS to be a change, and for so many reasons its why this may very well be the most important election we will ever be a part of.
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay so what is happening on the streets, a minority of the population pushing for forms of socialism on the majority?

i mean you cant have it both ways.
I read the other day how many of you agree that things have been flipped and the minority are finally taking control and the majority dont like it.

i mean. Which is it?
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By the way, which socialism programs are these minorities pushing?

Public schools? Libraries? Free firefighting? Free police? Easier access to healthcare?
 
Orion Bailey said:
right but thats icing on the cake. Did you know about jfk possibly having an affair with monroe at that time?

did you know the details how how jfk was elected?


Children have surface knowledge.
I dont want viewpoints founded on that. Politicals are way more complex than ask not what your country can do for you.
But them many adults do the same so.... what do i know.
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What is the surface Knowledge of Donald Trump? Seriously? Do you really want to use that as your argument in this conversation? I don't think you really want to go that route?
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay so what is happening on the streets, a minority of the population pushing for forms of socialism on the majority?

i mean you cant have it both ways.
I read the other day how many of you agree that things have been flipped and the minority are finally taking control and the majority dont like it.

i mean. Which is it?
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The minority is saying women don't gave the right to decisions about their body, gay people aren't allowed to be married or have rights, other LGBTQ people should have no rights. Etc etc
 
Why do so many Americans think that socialism is so evil? Here in Europa every country has social democracy, and guess what, we live very good here, we have everything we need, and if something happens in your live, you get help, why is that considered as a bad thing? I dont get it
 
Labinot41 said:
Why do so many Americans think that socialism is so evil? Here in Europa every country has social democracy, and guess what, we live very good here, we have everything we need, and if something happens in your live, you get help, why is that considered as a bad thing? I dont get it
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Most Americans don't know what socialism or a social democracy are.

When the communists bombed Pearl Harbor we had to fight a civil war so we didn't have to drink British tea anymore, which allowed us to freely coffee, AKA Jesus' blood.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Most Americans don't know what socialism or a social democracy are.

When the communists bombed Pearl Harbor we had to fight a civil war so we didn't have to drink British tea anymore, which allowed us to freely coffee, AKA Jesus' blood.
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I don't think that's quite right, but I don't know enough about Revolutionary war era politics to dispute it.
 
Labinot41 said:
Why do so many Americans think that socialism is so evil? Here in Europa every country has social democracy, and guess what, we live very good here, we have everything we need, and if something happens in your live, you get help, why is that considered as a bad thing? I dont get it
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Oh boy. Welcome. I see you are new here.
 
crandc said:
First, Trump campaign has legal right to request recount in Wisconsin. They have no legal right to ask Supreme Court to stop counting ballots.

All due respect to @e_blazer but I disagree on Senate. Sure, maybe 50 years ago divided government kept one party from going off into la la land; if Democrats held presidency and House and Republicans the Senate, maybe Democrats would get 2/3 of what they want and Republicans 1/3, more or less, because both parties wanted to keep the country running so would try to work together.

That ended in the mid-90s. When Newt Gingrich became Speaker, he declared a political opponent was not an American with whom one disagreed but a deadly enemy to be crushed, no holds barred. At the same time was the rise in right wing radio/TV all over the airwaves amplifying the message.

Remember when President Obama was elected, decisively, with Democrats holding majority in Senate and House. Many in the coalition wanted Democrats to use their unitary power to pass progressive legislation but Obama balked because he wanted to try to win over Republicans. The very day of his inauguration, McConnell met with Senate Republicans to discuss blocking his entire agenda. At a time when country was in midst of Great Recession, millions losing jobs and health care, families losing homes, two wars going on with no end in sight, his stated priority was denying Obama a second term. Many progressives were dismayed when Obama nominated Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court, a white male moderate, but Obama hoped by naming a moderate with stellar credentials Republicans would have no grounds for objection. They didn't, but McConnell blocked the nomination. I'm repeating what I'm sure you already know because while Democrats have their errors (calling supporters of Republicans stupid, for example) it's not a "both sides do it".

Trump never made any effort to work with Democrats even when they won the House.

So I am really afraid Moscow Mitch will use Senate majority to block EVERYTHING. Every appointment, even Cabinet, every judge, every piece of legislation, no matter how needed or popular, every budget. He likes being Grim Reaper.

Then in 2 years Republicans will run for office saying Biden administration.

In unrelated election news, New Mexico made history; their entire House delegation is women of color (two Native Americans and a Latina), first time ever for any state.
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I'm speaking strictly for myself, obviously, crandc. I don't want court packing. I want any change to Obamacare to have to be worked out in a bipartisan way. There are many other issues on the Biden platform that I want to pump the brakes on. Sure having the Republicans in control of the Senate makes things tougher for Biden to get much of anything done, but that's what compromise is supposed to be about. It's become a lost art these days. Biden and Mitch have been around for decades and know each other well. Mitch doesn't have a strong majority and it's going to be hard for him to hold reign on senators who work out deals where both sides give a little. Personally, I think that's exactly what the country needs right now. Four years of responsible administration from the White House, with toned down rhetoric and a willingness to work across the aisle on things that can be agreed upon is much better for now than major changes backed by just one party.

Give me four years of "Just 'Biden' our time" and then both parties can figure out new agendas with new faces in 2024.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Most Americans don't know what socialism or a social democracy are.

When the communists bombed Pearl Harbor we had to fight a civil war so we didn't have to drink British tea anymore, which allowed us to freely coffee, AKA Jesus' blood.
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And they helped the Indians fight the French!
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Labinot41 said:
Why do so many Americans think that socialism is so evil? Here in Europa every country has social democracy, and guess what, we live very good here, we have everything we need, and if something happens in your live, you get help, why is that considered as a bad thing? I dont get it
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It is so dumb. First, it’s an irrational fear or hate. Second, 9/10 who hate it....don’t know what it even fucking means.
 
Strenuus said:
I agree with you that money needs to be out of politics.

But Trump needed to go. Our country will not survive another 4 years with him. Thats not hyperbole.

Once we get him out we can repair the country and take stock in 4 years after we have someone in office that actually listens to science during a pandemic and gets it under control, our economy bounces back.

You can't fix it all with this election, but you can't fix anything with the way it currently is, either. There HAS to be a change, and for so many reasons its why this may very well be the most important election we will ever be a part of.
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absolutely hyperbole. Why? Because if we dont survive it would be the peoples decision when they tear it all down. Not Trumps. You are never going to get me to blame trump or any president for the actions of society.
 
Labinot41 said:
Why do so many Americans think that socialism is so evil? Here in Europa every country has social democracy, and guess what, we live very good here, we have everything we need, and if something happens in your live, you get help, why is that considered as a bad thing? I dont get it
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because most know that most european countries wouldnt exist right nOw if a capitalist country didnt rebuild most of it and then provide military protection and aid to most.
All of that costs alot of money.
Talk to me in 100 years when the money runs out and breadlines are everywhere.

its easy to live in the moment and say hey! Its easy! While forgetting or dismissing how one got there.
 
Orion Bailey said:
because most know that most european countries wouldnt exist right nOw if a capitalist country didnt rebuild most of it and then provide military protection and aid to most.
All of that costs alot of money.
Talk to me in 100 years when the money runs out and breadlines are everywhere.

its easy to live in the moment and say hey! Its easy! While forgetting or dismissing how one got there.
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Yes, the Marshall plan was our evil way to create socialism!
 
Labinot41 said:
Why do so many Americans think that socialism is so evil? Here in Europa every country has social democracy, and guess what, we live very good here, we have everything we need, and if something happens in your live, you get help, why is that considered as a bad thing? I dont get it
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Socialism does not reward high performers.
 
Orion Bailey said:
absolutely hyperbole. Why? Because if we dont survive it would be the peoples decision when they tear it all down. Not Trumps. You are never going to get me to blame trump or any president for the actions of society.
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Just one, minute little question:

Where are we now compared to where we were 4 years ago and who stoked that fire instead of united us?
 
Orion Bailey said:
okay so what is happening on the streets, a minority of the population pushing for forms of socialism on the majority?

i mean you cant have it both ways.
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Protests are not the same thing as minority rule. Protesters do not control the government.

barfo
 
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