Two maids get 10 years, 1,000 lashes for sorcery

[jlprk]

Of course liberals will say "leave them alone!". This shit makes me sick. I want to nuke the entire middle east, but it would kill lots of good people too.

The thread's subject is how conservative the Saudi peninsula is.

Here are pictures of the Emirates.

http://sports.yahoo.com/photos/uniq...nnis-legend-andre-agassi-photo-544710471.html

 

[oldguy]

This is a good place to start:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/04/30/right-wing-media-stoke-islamophobia-with-dubiou/184237

Thanks for the link, hoojacks, and I'm happy to hear that this is apparently a hoax. For the record, I didn't get this from any conservative site, I got it from Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam

[91] Egypt's National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper. The appeal came in a message sent by Dr. Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, to the Egyptian People's Assembly Speaker, Dr. Saad al-Katatni, addressing the woes of Egyptian women, especially after the popular uprising that toppled president Hosni Mubarak in February 2011. She was referring to two laws: one that would legalize the marriage of girls starting from the age of 14 and the other that permits a husband to have sex with his dead wife within the six hours following her death. According to Egyptian columnist Amro Abdul Samea in al-Ahram, Talawi's message included an appeal to parliament to avoid the controversial legislation that rid women of their rights of getting education and employment, under alleged religious interpretations.

I don't get why Media Matters has a banner on the link you provided that makes this sound like the right is making shit up to turn Americans against Islam. One of their own links says that this story was first reported by Egypt's own state run newspaper; then on an Egyptian TV show. So, I don't know why MM is blasting the right for assuming it was a real story.

The news about passing the so-called 'Farewell Intercourse' law by the country's Islamist-dominated parliament was first reported by Egyptian state-run al-Ahram newspaper and Egyptian ON TV on Tuesday. It was picked up and analyzed by Al Arabiya English a day later, following which international media picked up the story.

I've been trying to educate myself on what's real and what's made up about Islamic customs, practices and beliefs.

Another of the things I've heard about (from guys returning from Afghanistan and seems to be real from what I read), is the custom of "man love Thursdays". According to what I've heard and read, this involves grown men having sex with young boys on Thursday nights.

This seems to fly in the face of what I read that Islam does not condone homosexuality. I've read that, in some Islamic countries gays can be put to death. How can homosexuality be condemned, but be a common practice?

If man love Thursday is real, how widespread is the practice? Does it happen every Thursday, or limited to 'special/holiday' Thursdays? Are the boys involved doing this willingly? Does it matter if they are willing? Is it a common in some/most/all Islamic countries, or is it more limited to Afghanistan?

Thanks again in advance to your insight.

Go Blazers

 

[Nikolokolus]

I am referring to the isolationist policy that most liberals I read adhere to. They don't want to interfere with other countries' affairs usually.

Oddly enough isolationism is a textbook hallmark of "conservativism" in classic politcal thought.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Another of the things I've heard about (from guys returning from Afghanistan and seems to be real from what I read), is the custom of "man love Thursdays". According to what I've heard and read, this involves grown men having sex with young boys on Thursday nights.

This seems to fly in the face of what I read that Islam does not condone homosexuality. I've read that, in some Islamic countries gays can be put to death. How can homosexuality be condemned, but be a common practice?

If man love Thursday is real, how widespread is the practice? Does it happen every Thursday, or limited to 'special/holiday' Thursdays? Are the boys involved doing this willingly? Does it matter if they are willing? Is it a common in some/most/all Islamic countries, or is it more limited to Afghanistan?

Thanks again in advance to your insight.

Go Blazers

A) It's not something that's talked about much. It's not just on special Thursdays, though.
B) If you are the "giver", there's little to no stigma, because they'd say "it's only homosexual if you're the receiver".
C) The "receivers" are generally, though not always, the same class of people--poor, uneducated, without a strong protector-- who are sexually exploited and trafficked all over the world. And it's not usually "willing". And even if it was, would you consider it "willing" if a 13y/o girl said it was ok for me to sleep with her?

 

[oldguy]

A) It's not something that's talked about much. It's not just on special Thursdays, though.
B) If you are the "giver", there's little to no stigma, because they'd say "it's only homosexual if you're the receiver".
C) The "receivers" are generally, though not always, the same class of people--poor, uneducated, without a strong protector-- who are sexually exploited and trafficked all over the world. And it's not usually "willing". And even if it was, would you consider it "willing" if a 13y/o girl said it was ok for me to sleep with her?

Absolutely not! I was trying to say it in a way that was not overly offensive if it was something made up, or so rare as to not be the issue I believed it might be.

Go Blazers

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Thanks for the link, hoojacks, and I'm happy to hear that this is apparently a hoax. For the record, I didn't get this from any conservative site, I got it from Wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Islam

I don't get why Media Matters has a banner on the link you provided that makes this sound like the right is making shit up to turn Americans against Islam. One of their own links says that this story was first reported by Egypt's own state run newspaper; then on an Egyptian TV show. So, I don't know why MM is blasting the right for assuming it was a real story.

Well, the amount of conservative news sources running with this story without any kind of fact checking is worth mentioning. The point is that if this story came out of anywhere that wasn't a Muslim country, then the American media would have been wary to report it without knowing if it was a hoax or not.

I've been trying to educate myself on what's real and what's made up about Islamic customs, practices and beliefs.

Cool! One piece of advice I'd stress is that since Islam covers such a wide stretch of different cultures, customs and languages, some cursory knowledge of those things are going to be needed to put everything in context. It's quite a large field of study.

Another of the things I've heard about (from guys returning from Afghanistan and seems to be real from what I read), is the custom of "man love Thursdays". According to what I've heard and read, this involves grown men having sex with young boys on Thursday nights.

This seems to fly in the face of what I read that Islam does not condone homosexuality. I've read that, in some Islamic countries gays can be put to death. How can homosexuality be condemned, but be a common practice?

If man love Thursday is real, how widespread is the practice? Does it happen every Thursday, or limited to 'special/holiday' Thursdays? Are the boys involved doing this willingly? Does it matter if they are willing? Is it a common in some/most/all Islamic countries, or is it more limited to Afghanistan?

Thanks again in advance to your insight.

I'd defer to BrianFromWA for anything on Afghanistan, but it sounds like this is a cultural thing in and among the tribes there. From my experience in Muslims countries, homosexuality is just as common as it is in any other part of the world, and depending on the community it is either shunned or ignored. I do know that in Morocco, there is a thriving gay culture, and even straight men will occasionally have sex with each other because in the butt = not sex. Seriously. That, and you can't catch AIDS from the butt. These same people may have the opinion that gays should be put to death.

But again, I think this is more cultural than religious.