Two Muslims pulled off plane due to passengers feeling "uncomfortable"

[PapaG]

Just keep talking, you might just dig yourself out of that stupid-hole you dug yourself.

The hole where I tried to show bigotry, yet acted like a bigot myself?

Wait, that was you in the very first post of this thread.

 

[PapaG]

STOP HER!!! SHE HAS A BOOK OF MORMOM!!! :MARIS61:

 

[PapaG]

SHE HAS ROSARY BEADS. DETAIN HER!!!

 

[PapaG]

DON'T FORGET YOUR DENTURES, ETHEL!!!

I feel so much safer now. Thank you, TSA!

 

[PapaG]

I hope this baby isn't a Muslim, because then we'll see outrage and a lawsuit!!! Photo was taken today, fwiw.

 

[RR7]

Oh no! People doing their fucking jobs. Gimme a break.

 

[PapaG]

Oh no! People doing their fucking jobs. Gimme a break.

The Gestapo were just doing their jobs, too. :MARIS61:

Just saying...

Looks like a great job if you like to molest old ladies and children. I bet they have fetish holiday parties, too.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

The hole where I tried to show bigotry, yet acted like a bigot myself?

Wait, that was you in the very first post of this thread.

Do I seriously need to spell out, point for point, the first post of this thread? No, wait. You're just trolling.

 

[bluefrog]

This is America, dammit. We're supposed to be free to dress and worship as we choose. How a person dresses or if they appear Muslim is irrelevant.

Agreed.

Obviously we don't have the whole story but there is no mention of suspicious activity or anything that the passengers did to make people uncomfortable aside from looking like Muslims. This kind of prejudice embarrasses me as an American

 

[THE HCP]

Just flew yesterday cross country. First commercial flight since last fall. No extra security measures at all being taken. I read this, because I caught a few people around me staring and whispering about a guy sitting in front of me. He was dressed "normal", but looked like one of those brown Taliban people. Kinda felt bad for him. Now had he been dressed in more traditional Muslim attire, I honestly think I might have given him an extra look. I have no beef with anybody of any nationality......... that said, in that setting, I don't think I would be able to help myself.

 

[Denny Crane]

Just flew yesterday cross country. First commercial flight since last fall. No extra security measures at all being taken. I read this, because I caught a few people around me staring and whispering about a guy sitting in front of me. He was dressed "normal", but looked like one of those brown Taliban people. Kinda felt bad for him. Now had he been dressed in more traditional Muslim attire, I honestly think I might have given him an extra look. I have no beef with anybody of any nationality......... that said, in that setting, I don't think I would be able to help myself.

It's the half-muslims that cause the real panic.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What if you are trying to get kicked off a plane to make a point and are doing things that will obviously raise concern of travelers?

It sucks that people are judged on apperance. religion, race or gender. But are passengers suppose to turn a blind eye to everything. If they are concerned, valid or not, should they just be quiet and keep their thought to themselves or report this to the appropriate people?

I don't care what I sound like, if I think I may be harmed, rationale or irrarionale, I probably do something about it (notify someone). It sucks, but that is the reality of the world we live in. How the airline acts is a whole different issue.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

What if you are trying to get kicked off a plane to make a point and are doing things that will obviously raise concern of travelers?

It sucks that people are judged on apperance. religion, race or gender. But are passengers suppose to turn a blind eye to everything. If they are concerned, valid or not, should they just be quiet and keep their thought to themselves or report this to the appropriate people?

I don't care what I sound like, if I think I may be harmed, rationale or irrarionale, I probably do something about it (notify someone). It sucks, but that is the reality of the world we live in. How the airline acts is a whole different issue.

The airline is at fault for listening to the irrational racists.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

The Gestapo were just doing their jobs, too. :MARIS61:

Just saying...

Looks like a great job if you like to molest old ladies and children. I bet they have fetish holiday parties, too.

Do you understand why they search old ladies and children, or are you just being difficult?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The airline is at fault for listening to the irrational racists.

Well if they don't listen to their customers, how are they suppose to determine if the concerns are rationale or irrationale?

 

[RR7]

What if you are trying to get kicked off a plane to make a point and are doing things that will obviously raise concern of travelers?

It sucks that people are judged on apperance. religion, race or gender. But are passengers suppose to turn a blind eye to everything. If they are concerned, valid or not, should they just be quiet and keep their thought to themselves or report this to the appropriate people?

I don't care what I sound like, if I think I may be harmed, rationale or irrarionale, I probably do something about it (notify someone). It sucks, but that is the reality of the world we live in. How the airline acts is a whole different issue.

Obviously if people are doing something to try to get kicked off a plane, that's a different story than wearing traditional muslim dress. I haven't read that these individuals were doing anything to get kicked off the plane.

 

[MARIS61]

Do you understand why they search old ladies and children, or are you just being difficult?

Do you understand why they search anyone, or do you actually buy the "we're just protecting you from terrorists" line?

 

[PapaG]

Do you understand why they search old ladies and children, or are you just being difficult?

They search old ladies and children (extra searches, btw, everybody has to go through a metal dectector) because the PC people and the PC politicians have made it impossible to profile the actual terrorists. So, we spend millions of dollars wasting everybody's time, so as not to hurt somebody's feelings. Meanwhile, actual terrorists (Christmas Day bomber, for example) make it onboard flights because they can't all be searched, because then we get lawsuits.

So yes, I do know why grandmas and babies are being searched.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

They search old ladies and children (extra searches, btw, everybody has to go through a metal dectector) because the PC people and the PC politicians have made it impossible to profile the actual terrorists. So, we spend millions of dollars wasting everybody's time, so as not to hurt somebody's feelings. Meanwhile, actual terrorists (Christmas Day bomber, for example) make it onboard flights because they can't all be searched, because then we get lawsuits.

So yes, I do know why grandmas and babies are being searched.

I don't think you do. Though I imagine terrorists and violent people would thank you for thinking they'd never use old people or children to carry out violent plots under various tactics.

PC is a word created by people who are upset they can't stereotype anymore without being called on their shit. Shocking, I know, to treat all humans like humans.

 

[maxiep]

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/10/man-storms-cockpit-in-flight-to-san-francisco/

Why is this never a Norweigan Lutheran doing something like this?

 

[Ed O]

PC is a word created by people who are upset they can't stereotype anymore without being called on their shit. Shocking, I know, to treat all humans like humans.

No it's not.

It's an overcompensation in the present for past wrongs. It is affirmative action and it is the distortion of language to avoid irritating people.

Example: I have a friend who works with a queer gender neutral individual. She might be sex positive, too--I can't recall. She refuses to use the word "straight" when giving directions, and instead uses "forward". She objects to the use of phrases like "thanks, guys" at the ends of emails. She imposes--or attempts to impose--her sensitivities (most of which are based in some logic, I will admit, albeit taken to an extreme) on others.

That is political correctness. And it is not just another term for treating everyone the same.

Ed O.

 

[RR7]

I don't think avoiding the term straight in directions is at all an example of political correctness. It's just being an obnoxious ass who wants attention.

 

[Ed O]

I don't think avoiding the term straight in directions is at all an example of political correctness. It's just being an obnoxious ass who wants attention.

"That is so gay."
"He tried to jew me out of $100."
"I got totally gypped at the grocery store."

All of these are insensitive comments that are no bueno, according to political correctness. I don't use them, myself, but I don't think that anyone's being a pompous ass for looking down on them. Similarly, people who reject the standard sexual categories can take offense at the use of "straight" as an adjective. I find it obnoxious, but I also think it's a part of political correctness.

Ed O.

 

[RR7]

I agree with the three examples you give there. Straight? That's just someone hunting for a reason to be difficult. You say something is gay, you can at least see easily why some might be offended. Saying go straight to the store, and someone says that is offensive, I think the majority of people would have no clue how that could be offensive to anyone.

 

[Minstrel]

"That is so gay."
"He tried to jew me out of $100."
"I got totally gypped at the grocery store."

All of these are insensitive comments that are no bueno, according to political correctness. I don't use them, myself, but I don't think that anyone's being a pompous ass for looking down on them. Similarly, people who reject the standard sexual categories can take offense at the use of "straight" as an adjective. I find it obnoxious, but I also think it's a part of political correctness.

I'd say that there's a discrete difference between your three examples and avoiding the original and literal use of "straight." In the three examples you just gave, a group identifier is being used as a pejorative, associating those groups with a negative sentiment. The same isn't true of saying that a restaurant is straight ahead.

Whether we want to call it "political correctness" or "basic decency," I believe in not using the labels of groups of people as pejoratives. I don't think that we should avoid using the original intent of words because they've been utilized for other things, by and large.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I'd say that there's a discrete difference between your three examples and avoiding the original and literal use of "straight." In the three examples you just gave, a group identifier is being used as a pejorative, associating those groups with a negative sentiment. The same isn't true of saying that a restaurant is straight ahead.

Whether we want to call it "political correctness" or "basic decency," I believe in not using the labels of groups of people as pejoratives. I don't think that we should avoid using the original intent of words because they've been utilized for other things, by and large.

Correct.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

most gay peeps i know have a pretty good sense of humor about pc crap

 

[Ed O]

I'd say that there's a discrete difference between your three examples and avoiding the original and literal use of "straight." In the three examples you just gave, a group identifier is being used as a pejorative, associating those groups with a negative sentiment. The same isn't true of saying that a restaurant is straight ahead.

Whether we want to call it "political correctness" or "basic decency," I believe in not using the labels of groups of people as pejoratives. I don't think that we should avoid using the original intent of words because they've been utilized for other things, by and large.

Queer, *****rdly (see? Even our checker catches it...) and any other number of words are basically off-limits now because of oversensitivity. I can see how a portion of the population would, under the auspices of "basic decency" attempt to continue to manipulate language.

And that manipulation is sometimes for the good, of course. Only history can be the judge.

I think that those who think political correctness is just a redefinition of treating everyone the same are kidding themselves, in any case.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

Queer, *****rdly (see? Even our checker catches it...) and any other number of words are basically off-limits now because of oversensitivity. I can see how a portion of the population would, under the auspices of "basic decency" attempt to continue to manipulate language.

I wouldn't say queer, in it's original form, is off-limits. People might choose not to use the word, because of the risk of confusion as to which definition they're using, but I've never heard of anyone becoming offended over using "queer" to mean "peculiar." It's true that "*****rdly" has become off-limits, mostly because many people (it seems to me) aren't sure of whether it pre-dates the racial epithet or comes from the racial epithet.

But I would still maintain that that is different from purposely using group identifiers as pejoratives. You are talking about people manipulating language to prevent offense, but I'd suggest that the first three examples you used were an example of manipulating the language (at least originally) in order to be offensive. They weren't random mutations of language, that people later become offended by.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

that little ***got has his own jet airplane, that little ***got is a millionare