Ty Lawson going to China

[Strenuus]

You do acknowledge it's a "choice" though?

It is - with variability - It's known that people don't have a full frontal cortex (used for decision making) until the age of 25. And all the stupid decisions we make in high school? Smoking in high school (we had a smoking tree just off school property) and drinking were very common, and where a lot of people get their addiction started. So while I agree with you that it's a CHOICE, I will however give you caveats as to why people have a tougher time in life with it (and not in totality).

When we're in our teens and early 20's, we make a lot of choices not based on our long term future. And if you look at most of the people who do grab this disease (or however you want to say it) it will most likely start with friends in high school or to combat personal issues with high school. And having hereditary issues on top of that, its very combustable.

All I'm saying is, a lot of people who are afflicted with this started before they could make solid life choices for their long term betterment, and that makes it even more sad.

 

[Natebishop3]

Really, so you'll continue this type of shit even in a serious conversation. You know what I meant. Choosing to drink and smoke is NOT a disease. Not fair to use that term. It's a weakness and a choice.

Inheriting it is not a choice. Maybe you can avoid drinking all your life, but you would still have it in your blood.

 

[Strenuus]

Inheriting it is not a choice. Maybe you can avoid drinking all your life, but you would still have it in your blood.

Also a very valid point. which is what I was saying I agreed to. It's ALWAYS a choice to start - but sometimes we make a choice without thinking long term or with the right decision making processes available to you. (high school life, etc)... but the having a choice in no way ever says you aren't inhertied with it... and that choice is always there - so there's a struggle either way.

 

[Minstrel]

You do acknowledge it's a "choice" though?

Lots of things are choices, that doesn't mean a disease or disorder isn't influencing those choices. It's not binary, one or the other.

 

[theprunetang]

Lots of things are choices, that doesn't mean a disease or disorder isn't influencing those choices. It's not binary, one or the other.

It is a choice. But it often times doesn't feel like a choice to an addict. It is like speaking a completely different language. I write this while purposely not driving to the store to get alcohol. But, I want it.

 

[Strenuus]

It is a choice. But it often times doesn't feel like a choice to an addict. It is like speaking a completely different language. I write this while purposely not driving to the store to get alcohol. But, I want it.

Yep. Same for someone addicted to smoking (in whatever capacity), gambling, porn, etc. And like I pointed out earlier - it often starts when we aren't "fully grown" adults (25, essentially)

 

[theprunetang]

It is a choice. But it often times doesn't feel like a choice to an addict. It is like speaking a completely different language. I write this while purposely not driving to the store to get alcohol. But, I want it.

And this is why I called Lawson an asshole. We both struggle with control over alcohol, but I don't drive and potentially harm other people.

 

[theprunetang]

Yep. Same for someone addicted to smoking (in whatever capacity), gambling, porn, etc. And like I pointed out earlier - it often starts when we aren't "fully grown" adults (25, essentially)

It's kind of funny, but my smoking and drinking didn't start until after 25.

 

[riverman]

I agree with you. I just don't like hearing people says it's a "disease".

addiction is the key word...can apply to any compulsive behavior....tobacco is the worst probably...a lot of folks lack will power....tobacco kicked my ass early...alcohol I keep in perspective...not an addict....but tobacco is one day at a time for the rest of my life bro...going on two years now without

 

[Blazer4ever]

I drink alot of alcohol but not on my own, I just enjoy going to the local pub that where I live is most of the social life. I also smoke way too many cigarettes and although I don't smoke grass regularly I love smoking marijuana very much.

 

[Strenuus]

It's kind of funny, but my smoking and drinking didn't start until after 25.

That damn heredity makes it fucking hard to stop, whilst socially or by yourself.

 

[BBert]

And this is why I called Lawson an asshole. We both struggle with control over alcohol, but I don't drive and potentially harm other people.

Seriously. I know a guy who'll never have anything close to the money Lawson has been gifted. He goes out and drinks most weekends. And he calls a fucking cab every time. Even if Lawson can't control his alcohol choices, he can control whether he drives or calls a cab. He's an asshole.

 

[theprunetang]

Seriously. I know a guy who'll never have anything close to the money Lawson has been gifted. He goes out and drinks most weekends. And he calls a fucking cab every time. Even if Lawson can't control his alcohol choices, he can control whether he drives or calls a cab. He's an asshole.

Working at a bar, you would be shocked by how many people do it all time.

 

[BrianFromWA]

he wants some of those good LaMelo Ball kicks...

 

[Further]

I work in the alcohol business. Last couple jobs were in wineries and current one is doing lab chemistry analysis on wine, distilled product, beer and ciders. I am lucky to be someone who can't be an alcoholic which is how I know it must be terrible for those with the addiction. I am around alcohol all the time, and I love it, especially wine. But I don't almost ever want a third glass, and usually don't even want a second. There is no pull. However, I used to be addicted to cigarettes. I smoked from 14 to 37 and during that time managed to quit a few times, but had to get back to it. Now I've been done smoking for 6 years and i don't even want one almost ever. Usually, they repulse me. However, every once in a blue moon I get a hankering to smoke. I will never take another drag because that scares the shit out of me. If I were that way with alcohol, it would be terrible too. But I hope that I wouldn't ever drive drunk regardless. I know that I uber every time I drink more than a glass or two. I have left my car several times and dealt with it the next day.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Who?