Typical. It's all Frank's fault

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetsDaily)</div><div class='quotemain'>Jamaal Magloire’s criticisms are subtle but not subject to interpretation. As Jeff Caplan of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram writes, the newly minted Maverick “laid blame for his sedentary existence [in New Jersey] on Lawrence Frank”. Magloire says he didn’t play because of “coaching decisions. My game hasn’t changed from when I’ve been an All-Star,” Magloire said. “My work ethic hasn’t changed, in fact it’s improved.”</div>

Magloire working his way back - Jeff Caplan - Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Why does EVERYONE blame Frank now?

 

[Universe]

Coach always takes the blame.

 

[Netted]

he's claiming he's better than he was during his All-Star season? That's funny.

Next, when he doesn't get back to that form it will all be because Frank didn't play him for 3 months.

 

[Kidd Karma]

Come on now, everyone knows it's coach's decision on everything. Thorn did not come down and tell Frank to not play the guy I just made a 4 million dollar commitment to. It was Frank's decision, and why it keeps coming up, the media keeps asking him.

 

[Angelo1405]

thats really good. get a fast pase coach with young player experiance. now

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Mar 5 2008, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Come on now, everyone knows it's coach's decision on everything. Thorn did not come down and tell Frank to not play the guy I just made a 4 million dollar commitment to. It was Frank's decision, and why it keeps coming up, the media keeps asking him.</div>

That doesn't necessarily mean it was completely Frank's fault for Magloire not playing.

 

[danxcr]

frank is a horrible NBA coach... im sorry... he is... he doesnt prepare the team... remember when we lost to portland at the IZOD center ... and the players said they werent prepared for the ZONE defense... so ur telling me... that PROFESSIONAL players and coaches... dont kno how to beat the ZONE?!?!?!?! are u kidding me...?? kids in 7th grade know how to beat the zone... and have plays to beat zone or man to man... what in the world... CMON MAN im so irritated right now...

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats really good. get a fast pase coach with young player experiance. now</div>
Not that I dont agree that a coach who utilizes a fast pace offense, and also has experience in developing young players is a good thing but how is this assessment relevant in regards to Frank's treatment of Jamal Magliore who is clearly a veteran player better suited for a slow methodical offense ?

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>frank is a horrible NBA coach... im sorry... he is... he doesnt prepare the team... remember when we lost to portland at the IZOD center ... and the players said they werent prepared for the ZONE defense... so ur telling me... that PROFESSIONAL players and coaches... dont kno how to beat the ZONE?!?!?!?! are u kidding me...?? kids in 7th grade know how to beat the zone... and have plays to beat zone or man to man... what in the world... CMON MAN im so irritated right now...</div>
Normally the best way to beat a zone defense is to utilize the shooters on your team to break the defense...Frank should have done that.

Oh wait, I forgot. We don't have any shooters.

 

[Angelo1405]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats really good. get a fast pase coach with young player experiance. now</div>
Not that I dont agree that a coach who utilizes a fast pace offense, and also has experience in developing young players is a good thing but how is this assessment relevant in regards to Frank's treatment of Jamal Magliore who is clearly a veteran player better suited for a slow methodical offense ?
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i have no idea. fire frank until theres a decent coach out there available

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats really good. get a fast pase coach with young player experiance. now</div>
Not that I dont agree that a coach who utilizes a fast pace offense, and also has experience in developing young players is a good thing but how is this assessment relevant in regards to Frank's treatment of Jamal Magliore who is clearly a veteran player better suited for a slow methodical offense ?
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i have no idea. fire frank until theres a decent coach out there available
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If there are no decent coaches available shouldn't we just keep him until a good coach is available?

 

[danxcr]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>frank is a horrible NBA coach... im sorry... he is... he doesnt prepare the team... remember when we lost to portland at the IZOD center ... and the players said they werent prepared for the ZONE defense... so ur telling me... that PROFESSIONAL players and coaches... dont kno how to beat the ZONE?!?!?!?! are u kidding me...?? kids in 7th grade know how to beat the zone... and have plays to beat zone or man to man... what in the world... CMON MAN im so irritated right now...</div>
Normally the best way to beat a zone defense is to utilize the shooters on your team to break the defense...Frank should have done that.

Oh wait, I forgot. We don't have any shooters.
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ACTUALLY u can beat the zone by driving in then kickin out... but we dont drive.. we just settle for jumpers

 

[Angelo1405]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats really good. get a fast pase coach with young player experiance. now</div>
Not that I dont agree that a coach who utilizes a fast pace offense, and also has experience in developing young players is a good thing but how is this assessment relevant in regards to Frank's treatment of Jamal Magliore who is clearly a veteran player better suited for a slow methodical offense ?
</div>

i have no idea. fire frank until theres a decent coach out there available
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If there are no decent coaches available shouldn't we just keep him until a good coach is available?
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dont you think hes wasting the player's years of being in a nets uniform. theyre all fresh and excited right now so we need a new coach. weve seen what frank can do for like 4 years. its not gonna change...

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Angelo1405 @ Mar 5 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats really good. get a fast pase coach with young player experiance. now</div>
Not that I dont agree that a coach who utilizes a fast pace offense, and also has experience in developing young players is a good thing but how is this assessment relevant in regards to Frank's treatment of Jamal Magliore who is clearly a veteran player better suited for a slow methodical offense ?
</div>

i have no idea. fire frank until theres a decent coach out there available
</div>
If there are no decent coaches available shouldn't we just keep him until a good coach is available?
</div>

dont you think hes wasting the player's years of being in a nets uniform. theyre all fresh and excited right now so we need a new coach. weve seen what frank can do for like 4 years. its not gonna change...
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I was just playing on your words...for the record yes I would like a new coach, but not until after this season...we'd be better served waiting til the offseason.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>frank is a horrible NBA coach... im sorry... he is... he doesnt prepare the team... remember when we lost to portland at the IZOD center ... and the players said they werent prepared for the ZONE defense... so ur telling me... that PROFESSIONAL players and coaches... dont kno how to beat the ZONE?!?!?!?! are u kidding me...?? kids in 7th grade know how to beat the zone... and have plays to beat zone or man to man... what in the world... CMON MAN im so irritated right now...</div>
Normally the best way to beat a zone defense is to utilize the shooters on your team to break the defense...Frank should have done that.

Oh wait, I forgot. We don't have any shooters.
</div>

ACTUALLY u can beat the zone by driving in then kickin out... but we dont drive.. we just settle for jumpers
</div>
Yeah you kick it out to someone who then takes a jumpshot, meaning not having shooters to make the shot could be a definate problem.

 

[Angelo1405]

true.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>frank is a horrible NBA coach... im sorry... he is... he doesnt prepare the team... remember when we lost to portland at the IZOD center ... and the players said they werent prepared for the ZONE defense... so ur telling me... that PROFESSIONAL players and coaches... dont kno how to beat the ZONE?!?!?!?! are u kidding me...?? kids in 7th grade know how to beat the zone... and have plays to beat zone or man to man... what in the world... CMON MAN im so irritated right now...</div>
Normally the best way to beat a zone defense is to utilize the shooters on your team to break the defense...Frank should have done that.

Oh wait, I forgot. We don't have any shooters.
</div>

ACTUALLY u can beat the zone by driving in then kickin out... but we dont drive.. we just settle for jumpers
</div>
You kick it out to shooters. Joey's point was we don't have very good ones.

 

[Charles]

This is the one thread where Frank should be applauded for not playing someone this year. And yet people are still bitching about his coaching. Doesn't anyone remember how awesome Magloire played when he was on the court for the Nets? New Jersey has underacheived, but I have yet to hear a decent replacement for Frank mentioned in all the complaining.

 

[GMJ]

I thought we were talking about Magloire's lack of reality

edit: thank you, charles.

So you guys bashing Frank in this thread, based on the context, are taking Magloire's side on this one? How?

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 5 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>frank is a horrible NBA coach... im sorry... he is... he doesnt prepare the team... remember when we lost to portland at the IZOD center ... and the players said they werent prepared for the ZONE defense... so ur telling me... that PROFESSIONAL players and coaches... dont kno how to beat the ZONE?!?!?!?! are u kidding me...?? kids in 7th grade know how to beat the zone... and have plays to beat zone or man to man... what in the world... CMON MAN im so irritated right now...</div>
Normally the best way to beat a zone defense is to utilize the shooters on your team to break the defense...Frank should have done that.

Oh wait, I forgot. We don't have any shooters.
</div>

ACTUALLY u can beat the zone by driving in then kickin out... but we dont drive.. we just settle for jumpers
</div>
You kick it out to shooters. Joey's point was we don't have very good ones.
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THANK YOU!

 

[danxcr]

NACHBAR... is suppose to be a spot up shooter... and RJ has his days... my point is that frank didnt have em properlly prepared for the zone... even the players admitted to not being ready to playing against the zone... all their sets were for man - man defense.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NACHBAR... is suppose to be a spot up shooter... and RJ has his days... my point is that frank didnt have em properlly prepared for the zone... even the players admitted to not being ready to playing against the zone... all their sets were for man - man defense.</div>
He's supposed to be but he is extremely streaky...as for RJ he has his days but he's not a shooter.

This team has no Ray Allen, no Michael Redd, no Mike Miller...
Hell we don't even have a guy on the team like a Steve Kerr.

You be effective in this league you need to have have two-three players who can hit clutch shots from long range, we don't have that...
Back in those early years we had guys on the team who could stretch the defense and made teams play us man to man...

In 2001-2002 we had Kerry Kittles, Luscious Harris and KVH who were consistent threats
after we traded KVH and To Maculloch to the 76ers for Mutombo we signed Rodney Rogers to replace him.
we haven't had that since the 2003-2004.

Since those years we haven't had consistent shooters.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NACHBAR... is suppose to be a spot up shooter... and RJ has his days... my point is that frank didnt have em properlly prepared for the zone... even the players admitted to not being ready to playing against the zone... all their sets were for man - man defense.</div>
Frank prepares them... some are just a little thick between the ears and don't do what they are suppose to. It takes 5 guys to get it right.

I've heard the guys say that same thing before and also comment that they went over it in practice beforehand so they felt they had no real excuse. I also hear a lot of "we need to stick with the game plan" a lot lately. Meaning we have some rogue players that don't know what to do and are freelancing. Expected I guess with all the new faces.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 5 2008, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NACHBAR... is suppose to be a spot up shooter... and RJ has his days... my point is that frank didnt have em properlly prepared for the zone... even the players admitted to not being ready to playing against the zone... all their sets were for man - man defense.</div>
Frank prepares them... some are just a little thick between the ears and don't do what they are suppose to. It takes 5 guys to get it right.

I've heard the guys say that same thing before and also comment that they went over it in practice beforehand so they felt they had no real excuse. I also hear a lot of "we need to stick with the game plan" a lot lately. Meaning we have some rogue players that don't know what to do and are freelancing. Expected I guess with all the new faces.
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RJ and Vince...
On offense they are often guilty of not passing in favor of a jumpshot or driving hoping to be fouled.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Joey FistPump @ Mar 5 2008, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Mar 5 2008, 06:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (danxcr @ Mar 5 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NACHBAR... is suppose to be a spot up shooter... and RJ has his days... my point is that frank didnt have em properlly prepared for the zone... even the players admitted to not being ready to playing against the zone... all their sets were for man - man defense.</div>
Frank prepares them... some are just a little thick between the ears and don't do what they are suppose to. It takes 5 guys to get it right.

I've heard the guys say that same thing before and also comment that they went over it in practice beforehand so they felt they had no real excuse. I also hear a lot of "we need to stick with the game plan" a lot lately. Meaning we have some rogue players that don't know what to do and are freelancing. Expected I guess with all the new faces.
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RJ and Vince...
On offense they are often guilty of not passing in favor of a jumpshot or driving hoping to be fouled.
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Could be that the other players aren't where they are suppose to be so they are the ones freelancing leaving VC and RJ to improvise on the fly. That would make sense since they are all mostly new. I think that's part and the other part is that they feel they need to take more on their shoulders since we have so few scorers or creators.

 

[danxcr]

well if the players arent listening... maybe its time for a coaching change... i just dont see us going anywhere with frank coaching... i mean i dont think we are title contenders but i mean we dont make the shots that need to be made... and our defense... both individually and team defense is horrible

and i hate how we go like 6-10 mins with a FG

 

[bravo369]

i'm part of the group that blames frank. I'm not saying magliore would have been an allstar but i think we should have at least been able to get some production out of him if he played. it also doesn't help that it's a recurring theme with frank and some players. nachbar didn't play at all the rest of the season when nets acquired him. how many times have we been posting that he needs to play marcus or boone or sean williams. I think he relied too heavily upon the big 3. and i'm sick and tired of seeing our bigs out there for the sole purpose of settings screens. it's such a waste.

 

[Netted]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bravo369 @ Mar 5 2008, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i'm part of the group that blames frank. I'm not saying magliore would have been an allstar but i think we should have at least been able to get some production out of him if he played. it also doesn't help that it's a recurring theme with frank and some players. nachbar didn't play at all the rest of the season when nets acquired him. how many times have we been posting that he needs to play marcus or boone or sean williams. I think he relied too heavily upon the big 3. and i'm sick and tired of seeing our bigs out there for the sole purpose of settings screens. it's such a waste.</div>
how magloire does in Dallas will settle this debate.