U.S. Navy confiscates all Bibles from Hotels on Bases

[magnifier661]

Honestly, if I'm the type of guy that likes to sit in my hotel room and read the bible, I'd probably bring my own, just to make sure

Yeah I agree. Anyone in any faith has their own tools.

 

[MadeFromDust]

You seem to be up in arms about an aggressive act that is reported with quite a bit of spin from right leaning sites. Maybe they won't be ok with that. But you're preemptively getting upset about something yet to happen. Did you read the memo put out, or just a report from conservative tribune ?

Seems like the type of site that's going to just lay out all the facts and let you decide.

I've seen what these groups have tried to do before, claiming the Ground Zero cross made them "nauseous" and needed to be removed. This is nothing new, and these people have a track record of pushing their own agenda on the general public while ignoring their own hypocrisy. I'm not saying all atheists are like this, but there are groups out there who have just as much dogma as any religious sect you'll ever see.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Again, who is stopping anyone else from placing their holy books in the drawers of hotel nightstands? Would the atheists have the same issue if the book of Mormon and the Bhagvadad Gita were placed there? I seriously doubt it.

I think the gov't should stay out of religion all together. By supplying a bible, they seem to intermingling state and religion to me. BUt maybe these hotels are independent of the gov't.

I like what the joint roller said, if someone is going to read a bible in a hotel, you would think they would bring their own. Seems easy enough . . .

 

[RR7]

Are you going to point out the hypocrisy for me?

 

[MadeFromDust]

I think the gov't should stay out of religion all together. By supplying a bible, they seem to intermingling state and religion to me. BUt maybe these hotels are independent of the gov't.

I like what the joint roller said, if someone is going to read a bible in a hotel, you would think they would bring their own. Seems easy enough . . .

Then maybe we should abolish free speech altogether, because I guarantee you a Christian group had these Bibles placed in these hotels, and had every right to do so.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Free bible with every escort!

Problem solved!

 

[MadeFromDust]

Are you going to point out the hypocrisy for me?

The complaints of forcing ones' beliefs on someone else and then seeing stuff like this qualifies as hypocrisy in my book. Maybe it would be different if I knew that these atheist groups didn't have an irrational hatred towards religion and Christianity in specific. They see a Bible, "I'm melting! I'm melting!"

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I would too, but the fact that they must be removed is what makes this newsworthy.

Why must they be there in the first place? I think this is just humanity exhibiting their detachment from spirituality, similar to the fact that there is no longer a sage cleansing ritual to remove the demons in your room either.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I guarantee you a Christian group had these Bibles placed in these hotels, and had every right to do so.

If that's the case, then an athiest group having them removed is simply fair play, no?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think the gov't should stay out of religion all together. By supplying a bible, they seem to intermingling state and religion to me. BUt maybe these hotels are independent of the gov't.

Who said the government supplied the Bibles? Generally Bibles placed in hotel rooms are placed by the Gideons, and that is done in hotels both on and off government property. Allowing them to do that is not in any way a government endorsement of any religion, unless that permission was solely reserved for Christians and no other group (which it is not). The universal removal of Bibles from hotel rooms, however, could easily be construed as a government statement against Christianity.

However, having not actually read the article, I make no claims regarding the constitutionality of what may or may not actually be occurring.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Why must they be there in the first place? I think this is just humanity exhibiting their detachment from spirituality, similar to the fact that there is no longer a sage cleansing ritual to remove the demons in your room either.

Regardless of what you believe, nothing has changed with regards as to what's true or not. And if someone expresses their right to place Bibles in a hotel room then they should be able to, free speech. But since the constitution is being trampled upon by the Vacation-in-Chief and millions of other Americans I guess this is nothing new.

 

[MadeFromDust]

If that's the case, then an athiest group having them removed is simply fair play, no?

An atheist could have placed "The God Delusion" right beside it and then it would be fair play.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Then maybe we should abolish free speech altogether, because I guarantee you a Christian group had these Bibles placed in these hotels, and had every right to do so.

Abolish free speech altogether? Because the military is taking bibles out of it's gov't run hotels?

 

[MadeFromDust]

Abolish free speech altogether? Because the military is taking bibles out of it's gov't run hotels?

It's not the military, it's the radical atheist group in their ear that do the same about everything with any semblance of religion or belief in this country.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

An atheist could have placed "The God Delusion" right beside it and then it would be fair play.

Can't you see how full with books the nightstand would be? Nowhere convenient to put my watch or my weed.

Maybe they should all have a kindle fire loaded with every religious text known to man? Seems fair, and quite technologically advanced, the perfect melding of god and science

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Who said the government supplied the Bibles? Generally Bibles placed in hotel rooms are placed by the Gideons, and that is done in hotels both on and off government property. Allowing them to do that is not in any way a government endorsement of any religion, unless that permission was solely reserved for Christians and no other group (which it is not). The universal removal of Bibles from hotel rooms, however, could easily be construed as a government statement against Christianity.

However, having not actually read the article, I make no claims regarding the constitutionality of what may or may not actually be occurring.

I don't think there is any issue with hotels off gov't property. It is the hotels on gov't properties that are the issue. I'm not sure if there is a constitutional issue, maybe these hotels are privately run. It just gives an appearance of mixing state and religion to me when reading this thread. I too have not read the article or know exactly what this is all about. I do think gov't should stay out of preference of religion and it should transparent.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Step right up! Place your bets! Which previously banned/suspended user has dusted off an old account to come back and troll us?

 

[MadeFromDust]

Can't you see how full with books the nightstand would be? Nowhere convenient to put my watch or my weed.

Maybe they should all have a kindle fire loaded with every religious text known to man? Seems fair, and quite technologically advanced, the perfect melding of god and science

Since no other religious group have apparently stepped forward to place their text in a hotel nightstand, then it's not a problem at this point. But if you want to make a statement against something, then do your best to rebut it, not have it censored.

 

[RR7]

just seems like a bunch of buzz words and lame talking points from a right wing memo, geez.

Can I ask what part of the constitution is being trampled upon?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Can't you see how full with books the nightstand would be? Nowhere convenient to put my watch or my weed.

Maybe they should all have a kindle fire loaded with every religious text known to man? Seems fair, and quite technologically advanced, the perfect melding of god and science

Wouldn't the rastafari religion already have weed in the nightstand?

Wait a minute . . maybe I am for gov't supplying religion in nightstands.

 

[oldmangrouch]

BTW, the last I checked they were called "barracks", not "hotels."

 

[MadeFromDust]

just seems like a bunch of buzz words and lame talking points from a right wing memo, geez.

Can I ask what part of the constitution is being trampled upon?

Do I need to go down the list? I thought even the democrats had abandoned Obama at this point.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

BTW, the last I checked they were called "barracks", not "hotels."

They're taking about Navy lodges for guests, not barracks.

 

[RR7]

Do I need to go down the list? I thought even the democrats had abandoned Obama at this point.

I didn't know how for now removing bibles from navy bases was trampling on the constitution.

 

[MadeFromDust]

I didn't know how for now removing bibles from navy bases was trampling on the constitution.

Then I suggest you read the constitution and what it gives Americans the right to do. This is a violation of the right to free speech.

 

[barfo]

Regardless of what you believe, nothing has changed with regards as to what's true or not. And if someone expresses their right to place Bibles in a hotel room then they should be able to, free speech. But since the constitution is being trampled upon by the Vacation-in-Chief and millions of other Americans I guess this is nothing new.

There's no 'right to place Bibles in a hotel room' listed anywhere in the Constitution. It's not free speech. I don't have the right to put my godless communist literature in your bedroom, do I?

barfo

 

[RR7]

Then I suggest you read the constitution and what it gives Americans the right to do. This is a violation of the right to free speech.

Whose speech is being violated. If you want to put a bible in the rooms now, you ask the chaplain permission.

 

[riverman]

Wouldn't the more sensible solution be to require all bases to have a library with a theology section as well as Origin of the Species or Venus on the half shell?

 

[MadeFromDust]

There's no 'right to place Bibles in a hotel room' listed anywhere in the Constitution. It's not free speech. I don't have the right to put my godless communist literature in your bedroom, do I?

barfo

With that kind of logic we can abolish just about anything we want to in America, land of the free.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Then I suggest you read the constitution and what it gives Americans the right to do. This is a violation of the right to free speech.

Well if this is true and the Navy does this, I hope it gets challenged as being unconstitutional. We have a system to protect constitutional rights.