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[kreidertime]

Shero is a fucking moron. It's obvious. His strategy is the same as all the other asswipe tanking teams. Tank enough and eventually you can win a cup. Again, the exact reason you need to put the rule in if you draft 1st or 2nd, the following year you can't draft higher than 10th.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Yep, Shero only knows one way of building a team is through tanking. The devils should not be allowed near the top ten next year.

 

[nj cup]

It sounds like Shero cant do no wrong in your eyes. Anyway, I did not want that russian primadonna. It's good he did not sign here.

Lol of course he can. But when he inherited such a mess it's hard to do worse.

He couldn't sign with the rangers anyway. But I'll remember this when he signs next year with the rangers.

 

[nj cup]

Shero is a fucking moron. It's obvious. His strategy is the same as all the other asswipe tanking teams. Tank enough and eventually you can win a cup. Again, the exact reason you need to put the rule in if you draft 1st or 2nd, the following year you can't draft higher than 10th.

Lol your an angry fella. Guess you didn't read the link I posted. Figures

 

[RangersFan]

I get that logic about getting something for nothing but noway am I upset at what shero did. I'm not going to just give away a 50-60pt player because I will lose him next year. Devils aren't in a win now but nyr and cbj is. If they don't want to pay the price to get someone that could put them over the top then fine with me. Let him sit out another year get a little older and then you can sign him to a 35+ contract and be stuck with it for three years. Ray played this perfect. He had a time table before kovy was an option and he still has the same time table without anything for him. A couple 2nd and 3rd round picks which would be in the back half of the draft wouldn't make a difference.

With all due respect NJ this is a moronic post. I rather us get nothing for him and have him sign with another team next season then deal him for something now. It is even stupider when you know your team is going nowhere this upcoming season anyway, so no harm no foul.

You can say Shero didn't want to cave to Kovy or another team, but don't say he played it perfectly because now they get nothing as opposed to something. Perfectly would have been if the Devs got a good return for him, not they get nothing and he is on a rival next summer anyway.

Take off the Devil colored glasses please. Not saying Shero deserves to be destroyed here, but it is impossible to say he played it perfectly when he got nothing in return for Kovy. At best he was whatever in this situation.

 

[kreidertime]

He was a fucking idiot for not dealing him to some team. Maybe the Devils could have actually gotten a pick and drafted a defenseman who doesn't suck moose dick like all their current defenseman do.

 

[RangersFan]

Even if Kovy said CBJ or NYR, which he did, dealing him for SOMETHING from one of those teams is better than getting NOTHING as he signs with one of those teams next summer. Again IMPOSSIBLE to say Shero played it perfectly unless you are looking at it through Devil colored glasses.

As for Shero as a GM, I happen to like him. I think he will turn the Devs around in 2 or 3 years, but he has to prove he can do it without tanking and getting Sid, Malkin, MAF and others. They got the # 1 pick this year, which fits his MO, but to the Devils bad fortune there was no transcendent player this year.

 

[Ranger71]

He'll probably be on Broadway next year.

 

[nj cup]

With all due respect NJ this is a moronic post. I rather us get nothing for him and have him sign with another team next season then deal him for something now. It is even stupider when you know your team is going nowhere this upcoming season anyway, so no harm no foul.

You can say Shero didn't want to cave to Kovy or another team, but don't say he played it perfectly because now they get nothing as opposed to something. Perfectly would have been if the Devs got a good return for him, not they get nothing and he is on a rival next summer anyway.

Take off the Devil colored glasses please. Not saying Shero deserves to be destroyed here, but it is impossible to say he played it perfectly when he got nothing in return for Kovy. At best he was whatever in this situation.

The point is this. The Devils had a time table before kovy even entered the picture. They still have that time table without getting anything for him. Your saying a 3rd round pick is going to change that? It's going to impact the rebuild in any meaningful way? Whoever they draft with that pick has about 5% chance of panning out and that's probably in 4 years time lol. your kidding yourselves if you think differently. There is zero chance if situation was reversed you would deal him to the Devils. For a meh return. I remember in 03 I think the rangers offered leetch to the Devils. The return they wanted was parise. Would you have been ok trading him for a 3rd rounder? You wouldn't.

Also by waiting another year whoever does sign kovy is going to be locked into his contract buyout proof. What if he sucks and you ink him to a 3 year 7 million contract which is close to what he wanted now? Also another year is another year the Devils have to catch up ground in the division while the pens caps rangers get a year older. Injury risks increase salary cap doesn't other players need raises etc.

No way is a third or just "any" return worth compromising your ground. Hey if the rangers want him next year go ahead and take all that risk that's fine by me. Hey maybe he even wins the cup for you I'd be upset but I'd be more pissed if we traded him to help win that cup and only got a 3rd round pick out of it.

 

[RangersFan]

The point is your GM did NOT play it perfectly when he just lost Kovy for nothing.

The right way for you to view it is yeah the Kovy thing obviously wasn't ideal for us. I'm sure Shero tried to do what he could do, but couldn't get it done. What can you do, he'll sign where he wants to next summer and life goes on.

That's the reality of the situation. Not our GM got NOTHING and yet played it perfectly (doesn't even make sense). Or saying oh who cares about a 3rd round pick anyway. No one would say it is a huge return, but it is better than NOTHING.

If that is your definition of playing it perfectly, losing a player for nothing, I'm not sure what to say. Funny.

 

[RangersFan]

And BTW...if you think this has anything to do with the Rangers getting him or not, that is even funnier. Maybe they will and maybe they won't, but I'll worry about that next summer. I thought we were having a discussion about the Devs not the Rangers. If we were comparing the Devs and Rangers we would chat about how Shatty blew off the Devs extra money and years to sign with the Rangers. Not Kovy going back to Russia and leaving the Devs high and dry one last time.

 

[nj cup]

The point is your GM did NOT play it perfectly when he just lost Kovy for nothing.

The right way for you to view it is yeah the Kovy thing obviously wasn't ideal for us. I'm sure Shero tried to do what he could do, but couldn't get it done. What can you do, he'll sign where he wants to next summer and life goes on.

That's the reality of the situation. Not our GM got NOTHING and yet played it perfectly (doesn't even make sense). Or saying oh who cares about a 3rd round pick anyway. No one would say it is a huge return, but it is better than NOTHING.

If that is your definition of playing it perfectly, losing a player for nothing, I'm not sure what to say. Funny.

He just locked the rangers into a guarantee kovy contract next year that's buyout proof for a guy who has back issues as not played in the NHL for 5 years and is 35. so again how did he not play it perfectly? The rangers went what 2-30 on the power play in the second round this year? Tell me kovy wouldn't have helped that with his shot ? Hopefully you don't find yourself in that same spot this year when a better offer for kovy wouldn't put you over that hump. Making every team in the division wait another year and have a bidding war for him is the win here.

 

[nj cup]

And BTW...if you think this has anything to do with the Rangers getting him or not, that is even funnier. Maybe they will and maybe they won't, but I'll worry about that next summer. I thought we were having a discussion about the Devs not the Rangers. If we were comparing the Devs and Rangers we would chat about how Shatty blew off the Devs extra money and years to sign with the Rangers. Not Kovy going back to Russia and leaving the Devs high and dry one last time.

I don't care if shat blew the Devils off. Players have done it all the time. I don't take it personally I've seen my team raise the cup 3x being stiffed by other players all the time. Part of the business. It's one thing to suck like the Devils have for five years but it's another to not win the cup when your window does open.

 

[nj cup]

Btw I never thought shat would sign with the Devils why would he we just won the lotto. We aren't a playoff team. He's 29 in a win now mode why would he sign here?

 

[RangersFan]

Yes, that's exactly what he did. He locked the Rangers into signing him next year. Great point. Hopefully Gorton knows that's what happened, the Rangers now need to sign him to a long expensive contract.

You should go away now. Up until now I actually thought you were a fan who could have a good smart hockey discussion. You have now lost all credibility when you simply cannot say yeah Kovy f'd us again, and what can you do. When you are writing our GM lost a player for NOTHING, which is playing it perfectly in your opinion, you have lost all credibility. Time to go away man.

 

[RangersFan]

No one wants to play for the Devs. Kovy and Parise great examples of that. This isn't 15 years ago when the Devs could clutch and trap their way to cups with lesser talent. Doesn't work that way in the NHL anymore. Too bad for the Devs I'd say since no one wants to sign in NJ if given a choice.

 

[nj cup]

Yes, that's exactly what he did. He locked the Rangers into signing him next year. Great point. Hopefully Gorton knows that's what happened, the Rangers now need to sign him to a long expensive contract.

You should go away now. Up until now I actually thought you were a fan who could have a good smart hockey discussion. You have now lost all credibility when you simply cannot say yeah Kovy f'd us again, and what can you do. When you are writing our GM lost a player for NOTHING, which is playing it perfectly in your opinion, you have lost all credibility. Time to go away man.

lol I just gave you all the reasons why it was a good move but whatever.

 

[nj cup]

No one wants to play for the Devs. Kovy and Parise great examples of that. This isn't 15 years ago when the Devs could clutch and trap their way to cups with lesser talent. Doesn't work that way in the NHL anymore. Too bad for the Devs I'd say since no one wants to sign in NJ if given a choice.

lol I don't care if they played blocky to win the cups. And you certainly wouldn't either. I'm being 100% realistic here. Your the one with the homer glasses on


Situation reversed would you have traded kovy to the Devils for a 3rd round pick? I'll answer that and the answer is no.


Also sure it's an unknown if the rangers sign him next year. I'm just assuming if they had interest is year at a price then next year for free they certainly would.


I'm surprised you haven't brought up attendance in your argument lol


It's actually funny you mention kovy parise leaving and shatenkirk not signing here. All three players left to play for their hometowns. So how were the Devils going to compete with that

 

[RangersFan]

But they are not good reasons. They are I am a Devil fan so I will make stuff up about why my GM letting Kovy walk for nothing is playing it perfectly.

I would have traded him to CBJ and gotten something, that would have been playing it perfectly.

Maybe the Rangers sign him and maybe they won't, don't know, but we'll comment on that next July not today or make it sound like that was part of some master plan by Shero, stop that nonsense.

And lastly, 100% I would be fine with my team winning cups that way. My only point is it won't happen in todays NHL, and sadly for the Devs no one wants to play in NJ. Just the way it is.

 

[nj cup]

But they are not good reasons. They are I am a Devil fan so I will make stuff up about why my GM letting Kovy walk for nothing is playing it perfectly.

I would have traded him to CBJ and gotten something, that would have been playing it perfectly.

Maybe the Rangers sign him and maybe they won't, don't know, but we'll comment on that next July not today or make it sound like that was part of some master plan by Shero, stop that nonsense.

And lastly, 100% I would be fine with my team winning cups that way. My only point is it won't happen in todays NHL, and sadly for the Devs no one wants to play in NJ. Just the way it is.

You can think whatever you want it's cool. Ray is in no hurry to do any favors for kovy. I don't blame him. Let him play in Russia another year and get a little less chance of winning a cup. If you were to say ray turned down a first a legit prospect out of spite? Then yeah he blew it. He's forcing kovy to play in Russia another year and limiting what teams would have interest in him next year and probably less of a contract. Just stop with the get whatever you can routine. Whoever kovy signs with is going to have a big cap hit locked onto their books for two years at the least because of what shero did today. I only hope that he signs in the division next year.

Yeah no kidding you can't win the cup that way anymore which is why they are getting younger and faster each year. The key pieces shero put in place in Pitt is proof of this. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Every team has these ups and downs we all know that. It's what you do when yours is open is what matters.

Yeah I know no one wants to play in nj and yet I've seen them win the cup three times. The rangers where everyone wants to go to has won how many? Maybe it's a good system in place keep taking all the ufa drury Gomez holik Richards etc.

 

[RangersFan]

And that is not how you be a GM. I won't do any favors for Kovy. It is laughable to have that stance. Get a 2nd or 3rd or prospect or whatever for Kovy OR let him walk for NOTHING next summer. Yeah I would choose to let him walk for NOTHING next summer and say my GM played it perfectly. Makes perfect logical sense. No point in continuing this discussion. You are so deep in the tank for your team you cannot be real.

And AGAIN they won cups when clutching and grabbing were king. Where having speed and talent weren't as important. I am not knocking them for that, I would love 3 cups, simply saying that is not going to work in todays NHL. So you actually need players who are talented and actually want to play in NJ.

When you want to have a good honest hockey discussion without Devil colored glasses on I am more than happy to do it. Until then it is pointless. If you want to go back 15 years it is pointless. I can call the Rangers what they are, an organization who has made many MANY questionable decisions. I don't have to BS because I am a fan of the team. And I don't have to say things like man my GM played it perfectly when he got nothing for Kovy, but hey he didn't do him any favors, so there's that.

 

[Stepupstepan]

Yeah sure, everyone in the division will be lining up for kovy next summer and give him anything he wants...lol Noone was lining up for Jagr when he came back from the KHL. And thats JAGR we are talking about here.

 

[nj cup]

And that is not how you be a GM. I won't do any favors for Kovy. It is laughable to have that stance. Get a 2nd or 3rd or prospect or whatever for Kovy OR let him walk for NOTHING next summer. Yeah I would choose to let him walk for NOTHING next summer and say my GM played it perfectly. Makes perfect logical sense. No point in continuing this discussion. You are so deep in the tank for your team you cannot be real.

And AGAIN they won cups when clutching and grabbing were king. Where having speed and talent weren't as important. I am not knocking them for that, I would love 3 cups, simply saying that is not going to work in todays NHL. So you actually need players who are talented and actually want to play in NJ.

When you want to have a good honest hockey discussion without Devil colored glasses on I am more than happy to do it. Until then it is pointless. If you want to go back 15 years it is pointless. I can call the Rangers what they are, an organization who has made many MANY questionable decisions. I don't have to BS because I am a fan of the team. And I don't have to say things like man my GM played it perfectly when he got nothing for Kovy, but hey he didn't do him any favors, so there's that.

lol I'm not going to sell for pennies on the dollar is exactly what shero weeks ago. He stuck to his guns I'm more then fine with that. If win now teams didn't want to pony up then they can take on all the risk next year if they sign him.

And again I told u I agree they can't clutch and grab which is why every year they get younger and faster and again I'll mention the key pieces to the pens two cup wins just now is from shero.

lol you just like to twist my words. Trying to save face. next year when he's on some teams books buyout proof tell me again how it wasn't a shrewd move. Maybe you put a higher price on late draft picks then I do. Is what it is.

 

[nj cup]

Yeah sure, everyone in the division will be lining up for kovy next summer and give him anything he wants...lol Noone was lining up for Jagr when he came back from the KHL. And thats JAGR we are talking about here.

I didn't say teams would be lining up for him but I'm assuming teams that were interested in him now and that was with having to pay a price would be interested next year for free no?

 

[RangersFan]

1st you have no clue what the offers were.
2nd pennies on the dollar is better than nothing on the dollar.
3rd the nonsense you now hang your hat on, wow Shero was so shrewd because now he forced a another GM to sign him to some awful long buyout proof contract is comical. Like you know who will sign him, and for how long, and for how much. As if you and Shero and the Devs get some great value or gain if another team signs Kovy to a contract. So again STOP.
4th the moves Shero made in Pitt were to tank and draft Sid, Malkin and MAF? And Rutherford came in and really finished off the team. Shero is a solid GM, and I like him as I said and do think he'll eventually turn the Devs around, but please don't act like he was so smart and outside the box as he built the Pens team. Again nonsense.

 

[Ranger71]

Someone will probably give him 3/15 if he shows he's still in good shape, as that will take him to age 38 which isn't bad.

 

[Stepupstepan]

lol I'm not going to sell for pennies on the dollar is exactly what shero weeks ago. He stuck to his guns I'm more then fine with that. If win now teams didn't want to pony up then they can take on all the risk next year if they sign him.

And again I told u I agree they can't clutch and grab which is why every year they get younger and faster and again I'll mention the key pieces to the pens two cup wins just now is from shero.

lol you just like to twist my words. Trying to save face. next year when he's on some teams books buyout proof tell me again how it wasn't a shrewd move. Maybe you put a higher price on late draft picks then I do. Is what it is.

what the hell are you smoking, bro? Sid and Malkin fell into his lap by tanking and that stupid fruitcake Mario crying to Buttman that the team is in financial troubles. That's laughable.

 

[nj cup]

1st you have no clue what the offers were.
2nd pennies on the dollar is better than nothing on the dollar.
3rd the nonsense you now hang your hat on, wow Shero was so shrewd because now he forced a another GM to sign him to some awful long buyout proof contract is comical. Like you know who will sign him, and for how long, and for how much, As if you and Shero and the Devs get some great value or gain if another team signs Kovy to a contract. So again STOP.
4th the moves Shero made in Pitt were to tank and draft Sid, Malkin and MAF? And Rutherford came in and really finished off the team. Shero is a solid GM, and I like him as I said and do think he'll eventually turn the Devs around, but please don't act like he was so smart and outside the box as he built the Pens team. Again nonsense.

1 Neither do you guess your book a 7th rounder in 2022 is an acceptable return?
2 Sometimes but not always. sometimes you have to make a sacrifice.
3 well I think we all agree he will sign somewhere next year right?
4 https://www.nhl.com/devils/news/ray...l-over-the-2017-stanley-cup-final/c-289736228 guess you didn't read that either.

I'm not saying he's perfect he's definitely fucked up but so far I'm happy for what he's done. You should be happy then as a ranger fan at what shero didn't. We will just have to agree to disagree and see how it unfolds

 

[nj cup]

Someone will probably give him 3/15 if he shows he's still in good shape, as that will take him to age 38 which isn't bad.

For a guy hat hasn't played NHL talent in 5 years at that point? I wouldn't want to sign that deal.

I agree that's exactly the type of deal I think he gets.

 

[nj cup]

Anyway good luck (not too much). I said my piece and will go back to lurker mode