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Hoopguru said:
There is no way putin gives up Crimea and if there can be a article 5 security agreement for Ukraine without joining NATO. End the war.
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Fuck Putin. Giving up Crimea is encouraging Russia to keep going. That is encouraging MORE war.

It is encouraging more countries to develop and keep nuclear stockpiles. It is dissuading any country from ever giving up nuclear weapons once developed (and several countries are mere weeks to months from having nukes).

We should do whatever we can to support Ukraine recovering all of the territory they have a right to by treaty. That includes Crimea.

We should only accept Ukraine giving up Crimea when Ukraine themselves determines they can no longer continue fighting. And even then we should try to talk them out of it.
 
Hoopguru said:
if there can be a article 5 security agreement for Ukraine without joining NATO
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If you've got article 5, you have all the important benefits of being a NATO member. It's a pretty thin fig leaf to say that they'd have that and wouldn't be a member.

"My teenage daughter, she's going to have a baby in a couple of months. But don't worry, she's not pregnant!"

barfo
 
If I were NATO, I would "find" intelligence that says there is a high probability that Chornobyl is being targeted by terrorists. Don't mention who the "terrorists" are, but because of that, and it order to protect not only Ukraine and Russia, but all of Europe from a massive radiation leak, NATO will immediately be placing troops and equipment around the nuclear facility. We will also invite UN Peacekeeping Troops to help us. We will be there to only protect Europe, Russia, and Ukraine.

That would put NATO troops and air support in the region.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If I were NATO, I would "find" intelligence that says there is a high probability that Chornobyl is being targeted by terrorists. Don't mention who the "terrorists" are, but because of that, and it order to protect not only Ukraine and Russia, but all of Europe from a massive radiation leak, NATO will immediately be placing troops and equipment around the nuclear facility. We will also invite UN Peacekeeping Troops to help us. We will be there to only protect Europe, Russia, and Ukraine.

That would put NATO troops and air support in the region.
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But isn't the point that we don't want NATO troops and air support to be in the area?
 
Witkoff suggested Article 5 like protection. Whatever that means. Probably nothing.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Fuck Putin. Giving up Crimea is encouraging Russia to keep going. That is encouraging MORE war.

It is encouraging more countries to develop and keep nuclear stockpiles. It is dissuading any country from ever giving up nuclear weapons once developed (and several countries are mere weeks to months from having nukes).

We should do whatever we can to support Ukraine recovering all of the territory they have a right to by treaty. That includes Crimea.

We should only accept Ukraine giving up Crimea when Ukraine themselves determines they can no longer continue fighting. And even then we should try to talk them out of it.
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Yeah, fuck putin! So you really think the he will give up Crimea that Obama and Ukraine allowed to take with out a fight. That was the time to stand up to putin. You do realize that this war will go on and on with 1000's of more lives lost. I would 100% hope the russians would leave Crimea. It should be Ukraines call.
 
barfo said:
If you've got article 5, you have all the important benefits of being a NATO member. It's a pretty thin fig leaf to say that they'd have that and wouldn't be a member.

"My teenage daughter, she's going to have a baby in a couple of months. But don't worry, she's not pregnant!"

barfo
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no shit....
 
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Trump talked about the warm feeling he got when Putin stepped off the plane. Dictators make him hot.
 
Hoopguru said:
Yeah, fuck putin! So you really think the he will give up Crimea that Obama and Ukraine allowed to take with out a fight. That was the time to stand up to putin. You do realize that this war will go on and on with 1000's of more lives lost. I would 100% hope the russians would leave Crimea. It should be Ukraines call.
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That's what I said. Fuck Putin. It should be Ukraine's call.

But if he keeps Crimea he WILL come for more. That will guarantee thousands more lives lost. Or millions...
 
Phatguysrule said:
That's what I said. Fuck Putin. It should be Ukraine's call.

But if he keeps Crimea he WILL come for more. That will guarantee thousands more lives lost. Or millions...
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A few things I think are certain with putin.
1. He wont give up Crimea or any part he has gained.
2. He will continue his war on attrition to try and take all of Ukraine
3. He will no doubt Nuke Kyiv if he thinks it's necessary.

The only way he's eliminated is, if his people are starving and he's taken out either from one of his generals or one of the oligarchs. Hardcore sanctions are needed.
Or, troops are sent in as a peace keeping force by calling his bluff.
 
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Hoopguru said:
A few things I think are certain with putin.
1. He wont give up Crimea or any part he has gained.
2. He will continue his war on attrition to try and take all of Ukraine
3. He will no doubt Nuke Kiev if he thinks it's necessary.

The only way he's eliminated is, if his people are starving and he's taken out either from one of his generals or one of the oligarchs. Hardcore sanctions are needed.
Or, troops are sent in as a peace keeping force by calling his bluff.
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If he's going to keep trying to take Ukraine anyway then there is no reason to give up Crimea.

I don't believe he'll nuke Kyiv. Closest he'll come to it will be hitting a nuclear power plant, IMO.

If he were to use nuclear weapons the world would demand his removal. That's the end for him.

*Edit* Even blatantly hitting a nuclear power plant may be enough...
 
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putin is playing chicken with the US & NATO
He continues to bomb Kyiv and towns on NATO country borders.
This will go on and on till Moscow is hit hard....
 
SlyPokerDog said:
RUSSIA THREATENS MARCH TO PARIS
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Russia threatens to 'march on Paris' as all-out WW3 fears erupt
The full-blooded attack appeared to be in response to some unflattering comments recently made by the Élysée Palace resident about Vladimir Putin.

By John Varga, World News Reporter
10:28, Tue, Aug 26, 2025 Updated: 10:46, Tue, Aug 26, 2025
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Putin was left unamused by Macron's comments. (Image: Getty)

Russia has issued a terrifying warning to France as tensions between the two countries threaten to explode. The French President is the latest Western leader to be singled out for rough treatment by Kremlin propagandists and to become "public enemy number one".

The full blooded attack appeared to be in response to some unflattering comments made recently by the Élysée Palace resident about Vladimir Putin. During an interview with the French TV news network LCI, Emmanuel Macron called Putin "a predator and an ogre at our doorstep." The remarks seemingly went down like a lead balloon with the sensitive Kremlin tyrant, who unleashed his propaganda hounds on the unfortunate Macron.


Vladimir Solovyov has relished his role as the Putin regime's top attack dog, frequently laying into Donald Trump, NATO, and Western leaders in general with an undying zeal. Appearing on his TV show, he took aim at Macron and didn't hold back as he launched into yet another vicious rant.

Once again referencing deep Russian grievances about Nato expansion, the Kremlin stooge said: "Originally, back in December 2021, we stated that NATO moving closer to our borders was unacceptable.

"I remember the video where Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, after a hockey match, is talking to Pavel Zarubin (journalist) and says: 'Look, we understand what they're doing. They're building Nato infrastructure at our borders.'

"What if missiles are launched from Kharkiv?, asked the TV hack. "And now they're saying: 'We'll be at your borders, we'll send Nato troops there. That's why we'll be on Champs-Elysées. And Macron will be polishing the boots of a Russian officer."

NATO leaders have been discussing security guarantees for a postwar Ukraine, following Trump's Alaska summit with Putin.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2100085/russia-france-paris-macron-vladimir-putin
 
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