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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th.../chernobyl-forest-fires-ukraine-nuclear-plant

At least seven fires are spreading within the Chernobyl exclusion zone. Fears are rising that the fires could spread towards the nuclear reactors there. Power lines that were recently repaired and that power the reactors could be destroyed, causing cooling waters to be evaporated and fuel rods to melt, releasing large quantities of radiation into the air. No Ukrainian staff remains at Chernobyl after being released a week ago. There are only soldiers who may or may not know how to run the power plant.

Smoke from the fires is feared to be radioactive as the ground it burns is contaminated. Radiation from it could spread. Ukrainians can't put the fires out because the area is under control of Russian soldiers.
 
Inside the Ukranian Refugee Crisis-w/ Andrew Kimmel from Moldova.

 
Chris Craig said:
Never. The only thing to do with the ass of a bully is to kick it.
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Inflicting more harm on a person that clearly needs mental help, is never the correct way to go.

Though, you were most likely talking about Putin in this sense.

In that sense: Telling a world leader, a nuclear armed world leader, a person that America currently sees as "crazy", and may very likely use those nukes. Telling this "crazy person" that they can no longer remain in power, is only, ironically, pouring fuel on the fire.
 
Road Ratt said:
Inflicting more harm on a person that clearly needs mental help, is never the correct way to go.

Though, you were most likely talking about Putin in this sense.

In that sense: Telling a world leader, a nuclear armed world leader, a person that America currently sees as "crazy", and may very likely use those nukes. Telling this "crazy person" that they can no longer remain in power, is only, ironically, pouring fuel on the fire.
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If Putin is truly "crazy" it does not matter what anyone says.

Putin is killing innocent people at a rate not seen in Europe since WWII.
 
A Tale of Two Wars: Biden Decries Russian Atrocities in Ukraine While Backing Saudi/UAE War in Yemen.

 
Road Ratt said:
Why Biden's off-script remarks are so dangerous.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...emarks-are-so-dangerous/ar-AAVynpY?li=BBnbcA1
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Lol... Putin is bombing an entire countries population and this is what concerns you? Stating the obvious? I just watched an interview of a young kid in a hospital explaining how his mom was still alive as the was on fire.

Putin has been over the edge for over a month. Putin will not agree to a ceasefire without getting his absurd demands that Ukraine will never agree to. This has zero effect on any of that.

So stupid to complain about an obvious comment that we all know is true while a young girl is getting shot in the face, dozens of elderly bombed in a nursing home, evacuation routes bombed, citizens rounded up and forced into Russia, sick children left without a hospital, etc. etc. etc.
 
Road Ratt said:
Inflicting more harm on a person that clearly needs mental help, is never the correct way to go.

Though, you were most likely talking about Putin in this sense.

In that sense: Telling a world leader, a nuclear armed world leader, a person that America currently sees as "crazy", and may very likely use those nukes. Telling this "crazy person" that they can no longer remain in power, is only, ironically, pouring fuel on the fire.
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I was speaking of Putin, but often a bully in most senses doesn't give you much choice. It's either be harmed by them or fight back to stop it.

Sure, you could walk away and be the better person, but alot of people who are bullied don't get that choice. They are harmed physically and perhaps mentally from bullies who keep attacking them.

I am not one who believes violence is ever a first option. It's a last option for me, but sometimes necessary.

Bullies project their shit on others. They are often abused at home. Could fighting them do them worse harm? It could. It could also help them potentially.

It sure helps those who are bullied. I had bullies try and mess with me in middle school. I tried to be the better man and walk away several times, but it doesn't always work that way. I had to end up kicking some ass. No one messed with me again after that.
 
I Interviewed Noam Chomsky About Russia-Ukraine & the Future.



Great interview.
 
Road Ratt said:
Inflicting more harm on a person that clearly needs mental help, is never the correct way to go.

Though, you were most likely talking about Putin in this sense.

In that sense: Telling a world leader, a nuclear armed world leader, a person that America currently sees as "crazy", and may very likely use those nukes. Telling this "crazy person" that they can no longer remain in power, is only, ironically, pouring fuel on the fire.
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I’m ready to call his bluff.
I’m ready to tell him Russia will be carpet bombed if he doesn’t pull out and if he threatens to push a button tell him “Your Fucken Choice”
He will flinch first! He’s already getting his ass handed to him. Why are we afraid of this man anymore?
 
This dude?
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oldmangrouch said:
Chomsky drives me crazy. His criticism of the US is often dead on...but then he turns around and defends people like Pol Pot. I just don't respect that kind of hypocrisy.
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He could give a shit about Ukraine being invaded and their freedom challenged. He's an anarchist that he doesn't want any government rule. And its ok for him to be worth millions.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Chomsky drives me crazy. His criticism of the US is often dead on...but then he turns around and defends people like Pol Pot. I just don't respect that kind of hypocrisy.
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Do you have a source on Chomsky defending Pol Pot? I'd like to read about that.
 
Hoopguru said:
He could give a shit about Ukraine being invaded and their freedom challenged. He's an anarchist that he doesn't want any government rule. And its ok for him to be worth millions.
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Advocating for rules for the rich doesn't mean one hates money or the ability to become wealthy.

It just means they believe there should be rules to prevent the rich from being too powerful. If he were to give up his fortune he'd would be less capable of furthering the goals he's advocated for.

Makes no sense to hold that against him, IMO.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Advocating for rules for the rich doesn't mean one hates money or the ability to become wealthy.

It just means they believe there should be rules to prevent the rich from being too powerful. If he were to give up his fortune he'd would be less capable of furthering the goals he's advocated for.

Makes no sense to hold that against him, IMO.
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Im 100% for people prospering and using the freedom we have in this country to do so. IMO, thats why people from all walks and location want to come to America. I have immediate family members that just just became citizens and I witness their happiness to be able to explore, work hard and achieve their goals. Hell no were not perfect as a country but we have the ability to choose and be free.
Chomski has the freedom to say what he wants, as I do. Ive never heard him say a positive thing about our country and people, yet he chooses to live here and prosper here.
He could come down hard on Russia for invading their neighbor, but he doesnt, he'd rather lint out that its NATO's fault and Putin is just naturally reacting.
He could a peace maker but I see him as a anarchist against our government.
 
Hoopguru said:
Im 100% for people prospering and using the freedom we have in this country to do so. IMO, thats why people from all walks and location want to come to America. I have immediate family members that just just became citizens and I witness their happiness to be able to explore, work hard and achieve their goals. Hell no were not perfect as a country but we have the ability to choose and be free.
Chomski has the freedom to say what he wants, as I do. Ive never heard him say a positive thing about our country and people, yet he chooses to live here and prosper here.
He could come down hard on Russia for invading their neighbor, but he doesnt, he'd rather lint out that its NATO's fault and Putin is just naturally reacting.
He could a peace maker but I see him as a anarchist against our government.
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I'm also 100% for people prospering in this country, and I think Chomsky is as well. I've never heard him say otherwise.

Understanding both sides of the disagreement, looking at ourselves and how our actions help lead to situations like these, isn't a bad thing.

Of course he is opposed to the Russian action, but to imply we aren't somewhat at fault for the situation as well is intellectually dishonest.

Chomsky makes some good points, but I agree, his perspective isn't the only one that matters.

He's advocating for ideals that if followed to the nth degree may be more predictable or put us at a disadvantage in respect to the despots of the world (Xi, Putin, Trump, etc).

But I don't think advocating for a more moral stance from our government (and wealthy) is a bad thing. Our leadership and NATO are quite hypocritical as well.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Do you have a source on Chomsky defending Pol Pot? I'd like to read about that.
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Not off the top of my head. This was years ago (obviously), but he went through the classic progression: 1) "it didn't happen", 2) "OK, it happened but it was exagerated". 3) "it happened and it was bad, but the US made him do it".
 
oldmangrouch said:
Not off the top of my head. This was years ago (obviously), but he went through the classic progression: 1) "it didn't happen", 2) "OK, it happened but it was exagerated". 3) "it happened and it was bad, but the US made him do it".
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This seems out of character to what I know of Chomsky. Without the ability to review what exactly was said, I'm reminded of something Chomsky said, which may (or may not) be relevant.

It doesn't enrage anyone when I say this about enemies of the United States. Then it's obvious. What outrages them is when I try to show how these patterns also exhibited in our own society, as they are. If I were talking to a group of Russian intellectuals, they would be outraged that I failed to see the idealism and commitment to peace and brotherhood of the Russian state. That's the way propaganda systems function.
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--Noam Chomsky
https://chomsky.info/reader01/
 
Roman Abramovich ‘poisoned during Kyiv meeting with peace negotiators’

The Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich was poisoned along with Ukrainian negotiators, it has been claimed.

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the Vladimir Putin ally and Chelsea FC owner was hit by symptoms after a suspected poisoning at a meeting in Kyiv earlier this month.

Abramovich, and two senior Ukrainian officials, are said to have developed peeling skin on their faces and hands, red eyes, and constant and painful tearing, the paper reported.

Quoting ‘people familiar with the matter’, it added that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who has met with Abramovich, was not been affected.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/28/russ...ed-along-with-ukrainian-negotiators-16359662/
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Roman Abramovich ‘poisoned during Kyiv meeting with peace negotiators’

The Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich was poisoned along with Ukrainian negotiators, it has been claimed.

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that the Vladimir Putin ally and Chelsea FC owner was hit by symptoms after a suspected poisoning at a meeting in Kyiv earlier this month.

Abramovich, and two senior Ukrainian officials, are said to have developed peeling skin on their faces and hands, red eyes, and constant and painful tearing, the paper reported.

Quoting ‘people familiar with the matter’, it added that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who has met with Abramovich, was not been affected.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/28/russ...ed-along-with-ukrainian-negotiators-16359662/
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Dammit Biden.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This seems out of character to what I know of Chomsky. Without the ability to review what exactly was said, I'm reminded of something Chomsky said, which may (or may not) be relevant.



--Noam Chomsky
https://chomsky.info/reader01/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial

There are some sources here to follow up.

I see this as a case of Chomsky not being willing/able to admit that 2 different things were both true at the same time. He was not the only anti-war activist to question the initial reports of Khemer atrocities. I can't blame him for being leery of propoganda. The difference is that when confronted with solid proof others changed their minds while he clung to the notion that even if it happened he was fundamentally correct. :huh: Sometimes there are no "good guys" in a conflict.
 
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