Unbelievable

[Denny Crane]

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[Denny Crane]

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

 

[BlazerWookee]

MY HEAD A SPLODE

 

[julius]

So...let me get this straight. You guys are upset that someone is suggesting that it's not just the parents who should do things to better their kids, but a community as a whole should to?

Really? That's upsetting or 'unbelievable'?

God forbid we, as a culture/country/community try to make things better for kids and think of others instead of just ourselves.

SERF...ooh wait, he hasn't posted yet.

 

[magnifier661]

So...let me get this straight. You guys are upset that someone is suggesting that it's not just the parents who should do things to better their kids, but a community as a whole should to?

Really? That's upsetting or 'unbelievable'?

God forbid we, as a culture/country/community try to make things better for kids and think of others instead of just ourselves.

SERF...ooh wait, he hasn't posted yet.

I think it goes a little further than that. It's that the community is willing to pull the weight for the parents that really don't give a shit. That it's now our responsibility to help everyone else; even when they don't want to work for bettering their lives.

I see it as another "Take care of those that don't want to work" mottos

 

[Denny Crane]

So...let me get this straight. You guys are upset that someone is suggesting that it's not just the parents who should do things to better their kids, but a community as a whole should to?

Really? That's upsetting or 'unbelievable'?

God forbid we, as a culture/country/community try to make things better for kids and think of others instead of just ourselves.

SERF...ooh wait, he hasn't posted yet.

"We have to kill the idea that kids belong to their families."

OMFG

I wouldn't want that woman or anyone else to somehow claim responsibility or the rights to raise my kids.

Keep your grubby hands away from me. All you want is to take, take, take. First it's the money, then it's the guns, and finally it's the children.

Just wow.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

"We have to kill the idea that kids belong to their families."

OMFG

I wouldn't want that woman or anyone else to somehow claim responsibility or the rights to raise my kids.

Keep your grubby hands away from me. All you want is to take, take, take. First it's the money, then it's the guns, and finally it's the children.

Just wow.

I don't really think that is exactly where she is going with that.

It sounds to me like more of a combination of "thrust your schools, they know what they are doing" and a veiled plea for more money for education. I'd like to know more the context of why she is saying what she is.

 

[Denny Crane]

Bullshit. She outright says we need to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their parents or to their families. Pretty much those exact words.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Bullshit. She outright says we need to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their parents or to their families. Pretty much those exact words.

I don't even have kids and I'm outraged by this.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I chose not to have kids. Your shitty brats are not mine.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I chose not to have kids. Your shitty brats are not mine.

Oh yes they are now. Apparently. You owe me some money for their upbringing. Shall I send you a bill?

 

[BrianFromWA]

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[The_Lillard_King]

I think this is being twisted up here.

The idea is too many people just want to say the problems kids have these days are the parents problem, not the community's problem. When the truth is that if kids are dealing with issues they can't overcome, then it does become a community problem. It will lead to more crimes, more violence and more cost to the community on the back end.

Let's start treating these issues kids are going through as a community issue rather than parental issues (which there is an argument for that) and watch how people start thinking about these bond measures and problems with schooling in a different light.

Problem with her thought process is I think most people are personally selfish when it comes to these kind of issues and if it hit them in the pocketbook, especially school bonds, when they have no children, and good luck trying to convince them they should vote to increase money in this area. Community issue . . . parent issue . . . doesn't matter, no more gov't spending!

 

[jlprk]

Nice try Denny, but no one is going to take your screaming brats off your hands.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think this is being twisted up here.

The idea is too many people just want to say the problems kids have these days are the parents problem, not the community's problem. When the truth is that if kids are dealing with issues they can't overcome, then it does become a community problem. It will lead to more crimes, more violence and more cost to the community on the back end.

Let's start treating these issues kids are going through as a community issue rather than parental issues (which there is an argument for that) and watch how people start thinking about these bond measures and problems with schooling in a different light.

Problem with her thought process is I think most people are personally selfish when it comes to these kind of issues and if it hit them in the pocketbook, especially school bonds, when they have no children, and good luck trying to convince them they should vote to increase money in this area. Community issue . . . parent issue . . . doesn't matter, no more gov't spending!

Watch the video again. She literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents.

There is no community issue.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Watch the video again. She literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents.

There is no community issue.

You are taking about one line, but it is used in the context is about investing in public education (her very first statement and where she is going with this).

And right after she says we need to break the notion of kids belonging to their families (and again take it in context of what she says before about notions people have and the lack of public funding), she says we "need to recognize kids belong to whole communities" . . . thus making it a community issue.

Troubled kids and kids barriers are a community issue

 

[tlongII]

I don't even have kids and I'm outraged by this.

I didn't even watch the video and I'm outraged by this.

 

[chevyrunssometimes]

Watch the video again. She literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents.

There is no community issue.

What should be done about her? After all, she literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents. And at least two people here are shocked. Don't know about you but it almost makes me want to devise a gun control bill just so I feel like we're doing something positive and useful. I'm with you -- someone should pay for the outrage we've suffered. I mean, she literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents. If I understand English at all, that's outrageous!

Clearly this woman is after our children.

I know that Treaty_of_Batum sounds reasonable, what with his context and meaning talk, but there's no getting around the fact that she literally says...we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents.

 

[Denny Crane]

What should be done about her? After all, she literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents. And at least two people here are shocked. Don't know about you but it almost makes me want to devise a gun control bill just so I feel like we're doing something positive and useful. I'm with you -- someone should pay for the outrage we've suffered. I mean, she literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents. If I understand English at all, that's outrageous!

Clearly this woman is after our children.

I know that Treaty_of_Batum sounds reasonable, what with his context and meaning talk, but there's no getting around the fact that she literally says...we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents.

How about her ad sponsors get a little pissed and stop paying to support her?

It's not like she just out and said it on the air. It was written, prepared, rehearsed, filmed, edited, reviewed, and put on the air. Rather deliberate.

 

[Natebishop3]

So...let me get this straight. You guys are upset that someone is suggesting that it's not just the parents who should do things to better their kids, but a community as a whole should to?

Really? That's upsetting or 'unbelievable'?

God forbid we, as a culture/country/community try to make things better for kids and think of others instead of just ourselves.

SERF...ooh wait, he hasn't posted yet.

I'm totally fine with community betterment.... what annoys me is when:

A) The community tries to tell someone how to parent

B) The parent does nothing and relies on the community/television/video games to do all the parenting.

 

[jlprk]

Watch the video again. She literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents.

There is no community issue.

She says it figuratively, not literally. Study this and get back to me for the quiz.

http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-figurative-and-literal/

 

[NOVoodoo]

I'm totally fine with community betterment.... what annoys me is when:

A) The community tries to tell someone how to parent

B) The parent does nothing and relies on the community/television/video games to do all the parenting.

I think she's just trying to espouse civic responsibility. Yes, it's a national spot, but Melissa Harris-Perry isn't necessarily speaking about your community. In New Orleans, where she lives, parenting is a huge issue, and the community should tell people how to parent, because the bad parenting has had a realistic effect on the local community. She was only misguided in not understanding that her message, which is relevant to New Orleans, is also going to be seen in Portland, Boise, Sacramento, etc. Otherwise, I have no problems with her message.

 

[Denny Crane]

She says it figuratively, not literally. Study this and get back to me for the quiz.

http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-figurative-and-literal/

She said it literally.

Read your own link.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Let's be precise here. I will transcribe the entire text of the video, so we can have our semantic arguments on a uniform basis.

"We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we've always had, kind of, a private notion of children. 'Your kid is yours, and totally your responsibility.' We haven't had a very collective notion of, 'These are our children'. So part of it is we have to break through our, kind of, private idea that, 'Kids belong to their parents,' or 'Kids belong to their families,' and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it's everyone's responsibility, and not just the household's, then we start making better investments."

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Watch the video again. She literally says we have to get rid of the notion that kids belong to their families and parents.

Actually, she doesn't say that. She says we need to "break through" the notion that kids belong to their families, not eliminate it. The individual responsibility of parents to raise their children should not be minimized, but it should also not be used as an excuse for others to be unwilling to invest in their betterment, because the development of those children will impact people outside their family as well.

In no way is she saying that people outside the family should be permitted to exert undue influence upon the upbringing of the child; she is simply saying that those outside the family should be willing to supplement the resources available for child development.

Long story short--she doesn't want her hands on my children; she wants them on your money.

 

[Denny Crane]

Actually, she doesn't say that. She says we need to "break through" the notion that kids belong to their families, not eliminate it. The individual responsibility of parents to raise their children should not be minimized, but it should also not be used as an excuse for others to be unwilling to invest in their betterment, because the development of those children will impact people outside their family as well.

In no way is she saying that people outside the family should be permitted to exert undue influence upon the upbringing of the child; she is simply saying that those outside the family should be willing to supplement the resources available for child development.

Long story short--she doesn't want her hands on my children; she wants them on your money.

We need to break through the notion that families can have more than one child. After all, we have the collective to place higher than human beings.

But I really am not suggesting forced abortions like they have in China.

I mean it figuratively!

 

[Denny Crane]

Did I need green font for my previous post? I mean she came very close to suggesting the same sort of thing. That we can only have children, like anything else, because govt. owns it all but allows us enough to keep us from rioting in the streets.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We need to break through the notion that families can have more than one child. After all, we have the collective to place higher than human beings.

But I really am not suggesting forced abortions like they have in China.

I mean it figuratively!

Poor analogy. Again, the "break through" statement does not suggest elimination of that concept, but tangential action in spite of it. I'm sorry that you're not grasping the difference.

 

[Denny Crane]

Poor analogy. Again, the "break through" statement does not suggest elimination of that concept, but tangential action in spite of it. I'm sorry that you're not grasping the difference.

Do children belong to their parents or families?

At what point does some neglected official have the right to force some method of parenting on you?

I say yes, and never.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Do children belong to their parents or families?

At what point does some neglected official have the right to force some method of parenting on you?

I say yes, and never.

I don't believe I disagreed with you at any point on either of those statements. Perhaps you should re-read post #25; seems like it didn't all sink in the first time.