Event Uninsured Motorist insurance rates and the illegal population?

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MarAzul said:
Yes, very recent. Too many liberals in the way.

""The population explosion" was an openly discussed issue some 40 or more years ago. But in recent decades the whole idea of overpopulation and even the word itself have come into ill repute and are studiously avoided in public conversation...."

http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/06/immigration_driving_population.html
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You know how you stop illegals from driving, make it illegal to sell them a car. How many Mexican license plates do you see on cars here?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
How many Mexican license plates do you see on cars here?
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Nobody in their right mind would drive a car here from Mexico. They are worth far more there, than here.
Preventing them from buying a car here is beating about the wrong bush and a silly burden on people selling cars.
We have adequate laws, we have enforcement now, and Oregon should follow Federal law on immigration.
 
Denny Crane said:
There are plenty of other places to register. I registered outside a Target store.

The point being you don't hand non-citizens ID cards and then let them use those cards to register to vote.
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So, non-citizens don't shop at Target?

barfo
 
barfo said:
So, non-citizens don't shop at Target?

barfo
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Sure they do, and good for them.

It's not the same thing as handing someone an ID they can (potentially) use on the spot to register to vote (illegally).

The DMV is for motor vehicle and drivers license registration, not to be a marketing arm for the Democrat Party.
 
MarAzul said:
Nobody in their right mind would drive a car here from Mexico. They are worth far more there, than here.
Preventing them from buying a car here is beating about the wrong bush and a silly burden on people selling cars.
We have adequate laws, we have enforcement now, and Oregon should follow Federal law on immigration.
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Wait--it makes sense to discourage illegal immigration (something for which adequate laws already existed) by also making it illegal to employ illegal immigrants (thereby placing burden on private business to help with the enforcement and viability of the existing laws), but it doesn't make sense to discourage (uninsured) illegal immigrants driving (something for which adequate laws already exist) by making it illegal to sell a car to an illegal immigrant (without valid insurance) (thereby placing burden on private business to help with the enforcement and viability of the existing laws)?

Your logic doesn't seem...logical.
 
I hate to generalize, but too many (usually) Hispanics buy a car but steer very clear of the DMV because of the ID requirement. They are either here illegally or they don't want (or can't afford) to buy insurance. A lot of time they don't even bother to register the cars. So they drive the car without license, registration or insurance until they are pulled over by the police (legitimately or otherwise). When the cops discover they are driving illegally, they basically impound the vehicle and let the drivers walk away. Disposal of the car becomes the responsibility of the taxpayer and the former owners go on to purchase other vehicles and the cycle continues. Or so several cops have told me........
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I hate to generalize, but too many (usually) Hispanics buy a car but steer very clear of the DMV because of the ID requirement. They are either here illegally or they don't want (or can't afford) to buy insurance. A lot of time they don't even bother to register the cars. So they drive the car without license, registration or insurance until they are pulled over by the police (legitimately or otherwise). When the cops discover they are driving illegally, they basically impound the vehicle and let the drivers walk away. Disposal of the car becomes the responsibility of the taxpayer and the former owners go on to purchase other vehicles and the cycle continues. Or so several cops have told me........
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The two illegal immigrants living in my in-laws' house (wonderful people, BTW) confirm that to be the case.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Your logic doesn't seem...logical.
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It seems we have laws on the books now. Why add more? Especially in a State that does not enforce what it on the books.
If a person wants to sell a old car, uses ebay, craigslist or just puts a for sale sign in the car, how is a person to know the buyer is illegal? Is a person selling an item suppose to vet every potential buyer? By what document?? Is this only for cars? Or does the list get longer?
 
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UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I hate to generalize, but too many (usually) Hispanics buy a car but steer very clear of the DMV because of the ID requirement. They are either here illegally or they don't want (or can't afford) to buy insurance. A lot of time they don't even bother to register the cars. So they drive the car without license, registration or insurance until they are pulled over by the police (legitimately or otherwise). When the cops discover they are driving illegally, they basically impound the vehicle and let the drivers walk away. Disposal of the car becomes the responsibility of the taxpayer and the former owners go on to purchase other vehicles and the cycle continues. Or so several cops have told me........
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Exactly. Adding a bunch of laws making it unlawful to sell them something, when it is already unlawful for them to be here, while the State, Counties and Cities don't enforce that law is ridiculous. Most sellers have no way to comply.
 
MarAzul said:
It seems we have laws on the books now. Why add more? Especially in a State that does not enforce what it on the books.
If a person want to sell a old car, uses ebay, craigslist or just puts a for sale sign in the car, how is a person to know the buyer is illegal? Is a person selling an item suppose to vet every potential buyer? By what document?? Is this only for cars? Or does the list get longer?
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Right now we have a system that is similar to trying to stop illegal drugs by only going after the drug users but completely ignoring the drug dealers.

Our laws only punish the people illegally coming here but not punishing the people profiting off of him. That makes no sense.

An illegal can get a car loan and a home mortgage. An illegal can get a job. An illegal can rent an apartment.

And if you're personally selling a car to a private party and only signing over the title to them you're opening yourself to HUGE liability and potential legal problems. Say you sell that car to an illegal and they get the car impounded. Guess who the state comes after, the last registered owner on the books and that would be you. Some sloppily handwritten bill of sale won't mean shit. As far as the state is concerned you're still the registered owner.

Now think about if you sell your car and they do a hit and run, police find the car, run the plates and guess what.... it's still registered to you. *Knock Knock* "Hello Mr Azul, we need you to come with us..."

Pro tip: If you want to sell your car have them meet you at the DMV, make sure the new owner titles that car into their name.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Right now we have a system that is similar to trying to stop illegal drugs by only going after the drug users but completely ignoring the drug dealers.

Our laws only punish the people illegally coming here but not punishing the people profiting off of him. That makes no sense.

An illegal can get a car loan and a home mortgage. An illegal can get a job. An illegal can rent an apartment.

And if you're personally selling a car to a private party and only signing over the title to them you're opening yourself to HUGE liability and potential legal problems. Say you sell that car to an illegal and they get the car impounded. Guess who the state comes after, the last registered owner on the books and that would be you. Some sloppily handwritten bill of sale won't mean shit. As far as the state is concerned you're still the registered owner.

Now think about if you sell your car and they do a hit and run, police find the car, run the plates and guess what.... it's still registered to you. *Knock Knock* "Hello Mr Azul, we need you to come with us..."

Pro tip: If you want to sell your car have them meet you at the DMV, make sure the new owner titles that car into their name.
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I think your Pro tip: would be more than worth while. Especially if they began deportation of any illegal detected.

But, I thought if you follow this procedure, you were following the law.
https://dmv.odot.state.or.us/cf/vehiclesell/index.cfm
 
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MarAzul said:
I think your Pro tip: would be more than worth while. Especially if the began deportation of any illegal detected.

But, I thought if you follow this procedure, you were following the law.
https://dmv.odot.state.or.us/cf/vehiclesell/index.cfm
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Did you actually read that? It asks for you to enter the ODL number of the person who is buying the car. Which is something that you're arguing you shouldn't have to do.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Right now we have a system that is similar to trying to stop illegal drugs by only going after the drug users but completely ignoring the drug dealers.
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SlyPokerDog said:
It asks for you to enter the ODL number of the person who is buying the car
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No it doesn't. It asks for a Drivers License Number (If Available) Not necessarily Oregon. Could be Del Norte. In any case, the seller has no way to know if the number is valid or not.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Right now we have a system that is similar to trying to stop illegal drugs by only going after the drug users but completely ignoring the drug dealers.
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Heck of big difference here Sly.
The Drug dealers are selling an illegal substance. The guy selling a car is not.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Did you actually read that?
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Ha! BTW, that got a chuckle. Actually, not only read it, I did it.

I met a couple from New Zealand last fall up in Washington. They stop by down here for some time on their way South to Cal. I sold them an old beater for about three weeks and bought it back when they left. No profit, just a favor without risking my ass.
 
MarAzul said:
The last time I renewed my drivers license, was the first time I was ever required to show and ID like BC or Pass Port.
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Was great when i moved to sc i had to show my bc to get license then dmv lost my bc and i dropped my wallet in the parking lot that had my ssc cause i was job hunting. Ended up having to order a bc then had to get a new ssc then a new license since my bc wasnt enough i needed a bill with my name even though i lived with parents and had no bills. Needless to say i spent like 2 months not existing while illegals collected food stamps. Merica.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Right now we have a system that is similar to trying to stop illegal drugs by only going after the drug users but completely ignoring the drug dealers.

Our laws only punish the people illegally coming here but not punishing the people profiting off of him. That makes no sense.

An illegal can get a car loan and a home mortgage. An illegal can get a job. An illegal can rent an apartment.

And if you're personally selling a car to a private party and only signing over the title to them you're opening yourself to HUGE liability and potential legal problems. Say you sell that car to an illegal and they get the car impounded. Guess who the state comes after, the last registered owner on the books and that would be you. Some sloppily handwritten bill of sale won't mean shit. As far as the state is concerned you're still the registered owner.

Now think about if you sell your car and they do a hit and run, police find the car, run the plates and guess what.... it's still registered to you. *Knock Knock* "Hello Mr Azul, we need you to come with us..."

Pro tip: If you want to sell your car have them meet you at the DMV, make sure the new owner titles that car into their name.
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In Nevada we keep the plates. I also register the car on the DMV website as being sold.

Holding the prior owner liable for someone else's hit and run is idiotic and only seems like something Oregon would do.
 
They also have state bill of sale forms we fill out. No need to hand write anything.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
In Nevada we keep the plates. I also register the car on the DMV website as being sold.

Holding the prior owner liable for someone else's hit and run is idiotic and only seems like something Oregon would do.
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If you don't change over the title on your car how would anyone know it's not yours anymore?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you don't change over the title on your car how would anyone know it's not yours anymore?
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I released the vehicle in the state's eyes when I fill out an online vehicle release. I did so when I donated my last focus.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
Oops, worked fine.
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This is funny.

An old Ford Focus is what I transfered for short time to the Kiwi and German lady last fall.

She had an International permit. I have no idea whether it is good or not.
 
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MarAzul said:
This is funny.

An old Ford Focus is what I transfered for short time to the Kiwi and German lady last fall.

She had an International permit. I have no idea whether it is good or not.
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I gave mine to a vet who needed a car and had a veteran group to tinker with it. Needed some work but was a great car.
 
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