Unions, America's Backbone

[MickZagger]

Union employees worse than the kkk!!!

Lolz!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Union employees worse than the kkk!!!

True dat!

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Bunch of Union white folks tore down this man's business during this melee.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...og-guy-after-protesters-destroy-his-supplies/

Worse than the Klan. Some posters here fit right in ... bigots.

Wait who is a bigot on this forum? Besides Mediocre Man of course.

 

[jlprk]

Bunch of Union white folks tore down this man's business during this melee.

Worse than the Klan. Some posters here fit right in ... bigots.

You're right, your friends at breitbart.com should be jailed for creating the artificial riot. Don't we send terrorists to Guantanamo?

 

[blazerboy30]

All Stanford got you was $60k and a Dodge Stratus? No wonder your so miserable.

According to you, $60k a year is balla territory. I wouldn't even know how to spend all that cash.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

According to you, $60k a year is balla territory. I wouldn't even know how to spend all that cash.

Median household income in OR is like $50K, so $60K would be mini-balla.

 

[blazerboy30]

Median household income in OR is like $50K, so $60K would be mini-balla.

Slightly above median is mini-balla? There should be a lot more people driving Dodge Stratus then.

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[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Slightly above median is mini-balla? There should be a lot more people driving Dodge Stratus then.

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Sarcasm, homie.

 

[blazerboy30]

Sarcasm, homie.

I'm totally serious, homie.

 

[magnifier661]

Unions cost 8,000+ jobs working at the Hostess Factory. They, like the Republican's, must find a new way to get things done. The "Our way or the highway" thinking is destructive and can further destroy this economy.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Maxiep, your anti-union crusade is cute

Truth be told, it's kind of sexy.

 

[jlprk]

Unions cost 8,000+ jobs working at the Hostess Factory. They, like the Republican's, must find a new way to get things done. The "Our way or the highway" thinking is destructive and can further destroy this economy.

8000 crappy easily-replaced jobs, which the exhausted workers hated after giving up all benefits like pensions years ago to bail out the incompetent owners. The workers put the company to a well-deserved death. McDonald's jobs will be much more pleasant and probably pay more.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

8000 crappy easily-replaced jobs, which the exhausted workers hated after giving up all benefits like pensions years ago to bail out the incompetent owners. The workers put the company to a well-deserved death. McDonald's jobs will be much more pleasant and probably pay more.

hmmm, no these were jobs that paid very well...I dont remember exact figures but somewhere in the 50 per hour average. they were asked to take an 8 percent cut to offset the cost of higher health care benifits...etc ..union said no. No where have I read about the bakers nion " giving up pensions" and I have been in depth on this. If you can prove that statement, I would be interested in seeing that.

and as far as I know, no one at McDonalds makes anywhere near that kind of money.

 

[jlprk]

50 per hour! What are you talking about? The pay had been lowered contract after contract. Management kept demanding concessions, threatening to go out of business. Years ago, the workers gave back their accumulated pensions (which had been payroll deducted from their contracted pay for many years) and were never repaid, since the owners couldn't afford it. The future held only more concessions. They all said, we can do better elsewhere, let's put these loser owners out of their misery.

 

[magnifier661]

8000 crappy easily-replaced jobs, which the exhausted workers hated after giving up all benefits like pensions years ago to bail out the incompetent owners. The workers put the company to a well-deserved death. McDonald's jobs will be much more pleasant and probably pay more.

Good for them. And now they can be jobless for years; since they will be competing with 7,999 other people for the same jobs in a State where unemployment was 5.9% even before this shut down took place. And since the average income in Kansas is estimated at $34,000; that's a loss of $272,000,000 per year. YAY UNIONS!!!!!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

50 per hour! What are you talking about? The pay had been lowered contract after contract. Management kept demanding concessions, threatening to go out of business. Years ago, the workers gave back their accumulated pensions (which had been payroll deducted from their contracted pay for many years) and were never repaid, since the owners couldn't afford it. The future held only more concessions. They all said, we can do better elsewhere, let's put these loser owners out of their misery.

I recall an article recently that said a lot of the Twinkie workers were making $50+/hour. I solely remember this because I remember thinking, "I live in a place with higher cost of living. I got an edu-me-cation. I'm 10 years in a professional setting. And they make more than me? WTF?" I mean, I'm not hurting by any means, but I was still shocked.

 

[magnifier661]

I recall an article recently that said a lot of the Twinkie workers were making $50+/hour. I solely remember this because I remember thinking, "I live in a place with higher cost of living. I got an edu-me-cation. I'm 10 years in a professional setting. And they make more than me? WTF?" I mean, I'm not hurting by any means, but I was still shocked.

No the average pay was $33,823 per year or $16.87/hr

http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay...Outlet-Clerk-Hourly-Pay-E329177_D_KO15,34.htm

 

[jlprk]

Good for them. And now they can be jobless for years; since they will be competing with 7,999 other people for the same jobs in a State where unemployment was 5.9% even before this shut down took place. And since the average income in Kansas is estimated at $34,000; that's a loss of $272,000,000 per year. YAY UNIONS!!!!!

Except that these aren't McDonalds teenagers. They are skilled union workers with years of experience who will skim the cream off the top of whatever jobs are available. They were making $25-30,000 and will replace that income in no time.

They've spent years thinking about this decision, you're brand new to the Hostess situation, and you think you know more than they do.

 

[jlprk]

Good for them. And now they can be jobless for years; since they will be competing with 7,999 other people for the same jobs in a State where unemployment was 5.9% even before this shut down took place. And since the average income in Kansas is estimated at $34,000; that's a loss of $272,000,000 per year. YAY UNIONS!!!!!

Jobless for years. Don't make me laugh. They're very skilled.

The nonunion average is $34,000? And you just posted that these overpaid union members average exactly that. Kind of kills your argument that union members rip us off, eh?

 

[magnifier661]

Except that these aren't McDonalds teenagers. They are skilled union workers with years of experience who will skim the cream off the top of whatever jobs are available. They were making $25-30,000 and will replace that income in no time.

They've spent years thinking about this decision, you're brand new to the Hostess situation, and you think you know more than they do.

5.9% unemployement. Why aren't you seeing this figure?!?! That means 5.9% of all state people before Hostess liquidation were already out of work. So now you insert 8,000 more unemployed and you just assume they will find work? LMAO! You are so back assward sometimes.

 

[jlprk]

I recall an article recently that said a lot of the Twinkie workers were making $50+/hour. I solely remember this because I remember thinking, "I live in a place with higher cost of living. I got an edu-me-cation. I'm 10 years in a professional setting. And they make more than me? WTF?" I mean, I'm not hurting by any means, but I was still shocked.

Was this a conservative blog? They probably found that 5% of the workers made that much and reported only the extreme. Theory #2: Often, a few management types rose out of the union. That's probably who the 50 per hour overpaid fatcats are.

Did the conservative blog tell you what the Hostess fatcats are making? Must have forgotten.

 

[magnifier661]

Jobless for years. Don't make me laugh. They're very skilled.

The nonunion average is $34,000? And you just posted that these overpaid union members average exactly that. Kind of kills your argument that union members rip us off, eh?

Make you laugh? Um I live in the Antelope Valley; which 80% of their jobs in the 80's were from Northrop (150,000 jobs). Most of the workers were very skilled. Then when Clinton cut back military spending; northrop let 90% of their workforce go. I had many friend's dads that worked at Northrop. It took years for those people to find work. And if you look back on articles on the Northrop lay-offs; you will see how many skilled workers were without jobs and forced to leave their homes to work in other "lower paying jobs" out of state.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Good for them. And now they can be jobless for years; since they will be competing with 7,999 other people for the same jobs in a State where unemployment was 5.9% even before this shut down took place. And since the average income in Kansas is estimated at $34,000; that's a loss of $272,000,000 per year. YAY UNIONS!!!!!

What is wrong with these unions, they better let these businesses exploit labor or they will all lose their jobs. Shut up and work and make millions for the CEOs and shareholders. YAY COPORATIONS!

 

[jlprk]

5.9% unemployement. Why aren't you seeing this figure?!?! That means 5.9% of all state people before Hostess liquidation were already out of work. So now you insert 8,000 more unemployed and you just assume they will find work? LMAO! You are so back assward sometimes.

Do you understand that the 8000 skilled union people will easily find jobs? It's not part of their decision to worry about 8000 at the bottom who aren't looking hard because they live with someone employed, or whatever. Can't you understand that it's not the 8000 unionists' responsibility to take care of the whole economy? It's their job to escape a rotten employer.

 

[magnifier661]

What is wrong with these unions, they better let these businesses exploit labor or they will all lose their jobs. Shut up and work and make millions for the CEOs and shareholders. YAY COPORATIONS!

Yeah man cause these workers just don't have a backbone to quit on their own. And the State labor laws already have laws in place that protect employees. You are talking about the dinosaur ages when blue colar workers had zero rights. The State Board of Equilization and OSHA all govern safety and work related exploitation. The unions are really negotiating salaries and perks.

 

[jlprk]

Make you laugh? Um I live in the Antelope Valley; which 80% of their jobs in the 80's were from Northrop (150,000 jobs). Most of the workers were very skilled. Then when Clinton cut back military spending; northrop let 90% of their workforce go. I had many friend's dads that worked at Northrop. It took years for those people to find work. And if you look back on articles on the Northrop lay-offs; you will see how many skilled workers were without jobs and forced to leave their homes to work in other "lower paying jobs" out of state.

No comparison to Hostess. It's much easier to find another food job on a conveyor belt than it is to be a defense industry princess who will accept only an overpaid Federal contractor job.

 

[magnifier661]

No comparison to Hostess. It's much easier to find another food job on a conveyor belt than it is to be a defense industry princess who will accept only an overpaid Federal contractor job.

Wait you said they are skilled. Then you say they just watch food go through a conveyor? What is it? Oh I get it. You think it's gonna be fine because they can get a job at McDonald's! YAY! Take down the factory then, we got McDonalds!!!!

 

[jlprk]

So Mags, as the President of 4 companies is it, owned by your mother who placed you in those jobs, and who has lots of time to get stoned and misspell on this board, may I ask with all respect, how much do you make?

 

[magnifier661]

So Mags, as the President of 4 companies is it, owned by your mother who placed you in those jobs, and who has lots of time to get stoned and misspell on this board, may I ask with all respect, how much do you make?

two companies... And I don't think it's any of your business how much I make. We aren't a public company. And when I get stoned; I do that on my own time. I am never stoned at work, nor plan to be stoned at work. And, just because I was placed in the company doesn't mean I didn't deserve to be here. Since my arrival; our sales have increased 12% per year on average. So your condesending remarks are a joke and hold no relevance.

And before these companies, I actually purchased a printing and graphics company in 96. During the time of purchase; the company was barely pulling in sales of 12k per month. By the time I sold the company; it was averaging gross sales of 58k (took me 3 years to get to that point).

Other than how much I make; is there anything else you would like to know?

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63502.html

Now, one of the largest U.S. companies — which just invested nearly $1 billion and created more than 1,000 well-paying jobs in South Carolina — is entangled in what is sure to be a drawn-out legal process. They are being punished for investing in America.

Boeing’s expansion to the Palmetto State did not cost a single union job back in Washington state. In fact, Boeing has added 2,000 jobs in Washington since opening its North Charleston facility. At a time when 14 million Americans are out of work, the federal government should be commending this private company for creating jobs — not punishing it.

The NLRB’s action defies logic. This one case has the potential to disrupt the creation of more than 11,000 jobs (Boeing estimates 4,000 direct jobs and South Carolina estimates two created indirectly for every direct job) in South Carolina — which could support families and help pay mortgages.