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McCain because he's the better choice plus he's experienced.
 
Obama.


I hate when people make politics into some kind of rocket science, I prefer using common sense. So I'll keep this simple... Bush was a republican and had a pathetic run in office. McCain is also a republican, and voted with Bush 90% of the time. So therefore I'm voting for Obama because he at least can guarantee change, unlike McCain who appears to be ready to try the same things as Bush (which didn't work to begin with).
 
I will grant that Joe Biden just seems like a clown though.
 
There are thousands of reasons why we should vote for McCain but the first 2 are these:

1. McCain has been in politics well over 20+ years, he knows the system, he knows how to run the country, while Obama has something like 100+ days in the senate, and that's it, and yet we're supposed to trust him with running our country? (with 300million people)

2. Obama is a media created idol for people that know no better but to listen constantly to their lies and feed from their propaganda. He has done nothing in this country to make him a good choice for the president. There are at least 5000 men and women in this country that are better candidates than this Obama fella, who only has two things going for him, he's a good speaker, plus he's black* and everyone wants to break the record by voting for the first black president of the US.







* Just so everyone knows, I have nothing against African Americans ;)
 
Jacoby_Ellsbury said:
Obama.


I hate when people make politics into some kind of rocket science, I prefer using common sense. So I'll keep this simple... Bush was a republican and had a pathetic run in office. McCain is also a republican, and voted with Bush 90% of the time. So therefore I'm voting for Obama because he at least can guarantee change, unlike McCain who appears to be ready to try the same things as Bush (which didn't work to begin with).
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Agreed. The only reason this isn't a blowout is because some of America doesn't want a black man running the country.
 
CelticKing said:
There are thousands of reasons why we should vote for McCain but the first 2 are these:

1. McCain has been in politics well over 20+ years, he knows the system, he knows how to run the country, while Obama has something like 100+ days in the senate, and that's it, and yet we're supposed to trust him with running our country? (with 300million people)

2. Obama is a media created idol for people that know no better but to listen constantly to their lies and feed from their propaganda. He has done nothing in this country to make him a good choice for the president. There are at least 5000 men and women in this country that are better candidates than this Obama fella, who only has two things going for him, he's a good speaker, plus he's black* and everyone wants to break the record by voting for the first black president of the US.







* Just so everyone knows, I have nothing against African Americans ;)
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Playa hayta.

Biden has been serving delaware for 35 years.
 
CelticKing said:
There are thousands of reasons why we should vote for McCain but the first 2 are these:

1. McCain has been in politics well over 20+ years, he knows the system, he knows how to run the country, while Obama has something like 100+ days in the senate, and that's it, and yet we're supposed to trust him with running our country? (with 300million people)

2. Obama is a media created idol for people that know no better but to listen constantly to their lies and feed from their propaganda. He has done nothing in this country to make him a good choice for the president. There are at least 5000 men and women in this country that are better candidates than this Obama fella, who only has two things going for him, he's a good speaker, plus he's black* and everyone wants to break the record by voting for the first black president of the US.







* Just so everyone knows, I have nothing against African Americans ;)
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Don't lie. All republicans hate the brothers.
 
Legacy said:
Agreed. The only reason this isn't a blowout is because some of America doesn't want a black man running the country.
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The only reason why it isn't a blowout for McCain is because some of America doesn't want a white guy running the country.


The bolded part, was in the usa today article, I think I saw it yesterday or something like that talking about how 95% of African Americans will vote for Obama, and I bet 99% of them are doing it because he's black.
 
I love how Obama is half white, raised by his white mother and white grandparents, only met his black father a few times, yet people label him as "the black guy".
 
In all seriousness though...

CelticKing said:
1. McCain has been in politics well over 20+ years, he knows the system, he knows how to run the country, while Obama has something like 100+ days in the senate, and that's it, and yet we're supposed to trust him with running our country? (with 300million people)
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Well McCain seems to be of the exact same frame of mind as Bush, the village idiot who has put this country in such a bad spot to begin with. Plus Barack is relatively young though (47), compared to the fossils that usually dominate the government, so that's why he doesn't have that long a tenure in the Senate. I really would rather not trust a guy who thinks like Bush and voted with him to turn things around, when he thinks and generally agrees with the guy who has done such a shitty job as president.

CelticKing said:
2. Obama is a media created idol for people that know no better but to listen constantly to their lies and feed from their propaganda. He has done nothing in this country to make him a good choice for the president. There are at least 5000 men and women in this country that are better candidates than this Obama fella, who only has two things going for him, he's a good speaker, plus he's black* and everyone wants to break the record by voting for the first black president of the US.
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Or maybe people like his ideas and what he represents better than this McCain fella. Again, McCain is of the same frame of mind as the Bush clown. You're gonna tell me that Bush had anything right, are you? Why should we trust McCain then? They're basically the same guy. Taking the whole 'we'll try again with the same idea' approach is essentially playing with America. Do we really want to play with the U.S.A.'s fortunes like that? I don't.
 
CelticKing said:
The only reason why it isn't a blowout for McCain is because some of America doesn't want a white guy running the country.


The bolded part, was in the usa today article, I think I saw it yesterday or something like that talking about how 95% of African Americans will vote for Obama, and I bet 99% of them are doing it because he's black.
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Is this the only thing Republicans can hedge on? The fact that Obama's black (even though he's half-white like Thrilla stated), and that he's not a withered, senile fool who hasn't been in the Senate for 40 years and has great-grandchildren? I swear that's the only argument I ever hear. But then I tell this to the Republicans and they threaten to beat me up.
 
Obama, primarily because of the lack of transparency and openness of government operations under Bush; that the people chosen to lead agencies are not committed to their mission; that the white house has actively censored the work of scientists working in government agencies; that corruption and unethical behavior has run ramapant among republican congressmen. Oh, and also environmental issues are very important to me, and Bush has demonstrated no commitment to protecting it. Let me take that back, I applaud him for naming the northwest hawaii national monument. He deserves credit for that. Secrecy has abounded in the government over the past eight years, and that's not the way things should be. The government--including the decision-making process--belongs to us, the people, and it has been taken from us when covered in this black shroud of secrecy. I have no confidence that this will change at all under McCain.
 
Dumpy said:
Obama, primarily because of the lack of transparency and openness of government operations under Bush; that the people chosen to lead agencies are not committed to their mission; that the white house has actively censored the work of scientists working in government agencies; that corruption and unethical behavior has run ramapant among republican congressmen. Oh, and also environmental issues are very important to me, and Bush has demonstrated no commitment to protecting it. Let me take that back, I applaud him for naming the northwest hawaii national monument. He deserves credit for that. Secrecy has abounded in the government over the past eight years, and that's not the way things should be. The government--including the decision-making process--belongs to us, the people, and it has been taken from us when covered in this black shroud of secrecy. I have no confidence that this will change at all under McCain.
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The last administration wasn't exactly transparent. They were subpoenaed thousands of times and fought most of those. It was hugely scandal ridden from top to bottom. If it wasn't a cabinet level person quitting in disgrace after being investigated and goods found on them, it was the #2 man in the justice department, or it was some fall guy taking the rap. They lied to us; a good example is the economic team telling everyone in every venue that the "economy is in the sweet spot" while the fed chairman was saying at the same time "irrational exuberance" (Greenspan was right). $7T of peoples' wealth disappeared within months in 2000 when the NASDAQ crashed hard, making this congress' current mess look small. Enron and companies like it were made on their watch. AT&T, our oldest company and employer of 1% of the workforce was decimated and sold off in pieces (not the only one). He and his secretary of state repeatedly told us of the WMDs in Iraq and why we had to bomb them frequently. They got us into military actions in numerous places, including Haiti, Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Sudan (I'm surely missing a few). Osama Bin Laden planned the 9/11 attacks during the whole of the administration, and we suffered terrorist attacks at numerous embassies, hotels, and even a mighty battleship (the USS Cole).

I could actually buy into the "change" argument if Obama's advisors weren't the same people.

If this administration were censoring scientific data, how would you know? Seems they'd censor anyone who'd be a whistleblower, too.

I don't see any argument against another 8 years of Bush economics or foreign policy. Maybe it sucks, but maybe it would suck worse if Gore or Kerry were in office. "Change" means "different" not "better."
 
I'm referring to transparency in ALL levels of the government--not just the white house. Government agencies and departments are designed to operate with the input of stakeholders. Much of that has been emasculated. As far as censoring the scientific data, well, it is pretty well-established that the White House has been tampering with the conclusions, advice--and even congressional testimoy--of government scientists.
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't see any argument against another 8 years of Bush economics or foreign policy. Maybe it sucks, but maybe it would suck worse if Gore or Kerry were in office. "Change" means "different" not "better."
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That's the "devil you know" argument. I don't buy it. We can inspire our leaders to do better by continually replacing them. If Obama's record is marginally better than Bush's, I won't sit here and say: "hey! He was better than his predecessor!" He should then be voted out, too. We should expect excellence, not accept some minimum standard.
 
Things went down hill fast when Pelosi's gang took over and it was done with malice. They wanted the country to be fucked up so that another Republican wouldn't become President.

Both parties are equally to blame
 
Dumpy said:
I'm referring to transparency in ALL levels of the government--not just the white house. Government agencies and departments are designed to operate with the input of stakeholders. Much of that has been emasculated. As far as censoring the scientific data, well, it is pretty well-established that the White House has been tampering with the conclusions, advice--and even congressional testimoy--of government scientists.
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The last administration appointed people at all levels of government; it was corrupt top to bottom, from the travel office to the DoJ to HUD.

What's been established is there's been a disagreement over man made global warming, and all the data is there for everyone to see, including NASA findings, and that there are disgruntled Clinton appointees at all levels of government who whine or sabotage things to make the administration look bad.

As I said, the "change" isn't real change, it's "change back" and "back" isn't better.
 
Dumpy said:
That's the "devil you know" argument. I don't buy it. We can inspire our leaders to do better by continually replacing them. If Obama's record is marginally better than Bush's, I won't sit here and say: "hey! He was better than his predecessor!" He should then be voted out, too. We should expect excellence, not accept some minimum standard.
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The devil we know are Obama's supporters and advisors.
 
44Thrilla said:
I love how Obama is half white, raised by his white mother and white grandparents, only met his black father a few times, yet people label him as "the black guy".
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Cmon, its America. Even if ur like 2% black, they(white folks) gon call u black.:dunno:
 
Black Republican said:
Cmon, its America. Even if ur like 2% black, they(white folks) gon call u black.:dunno:
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I bet there's more 2% black people than you can shake a stick at. Probably most people whose families have been here since the 1800s or earlier.
 
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