Untouchables, Tradeables, and Keepables

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Every player on the team (with the exception of Dame) is expendable and replacable. Dame is our only player who is top 5 at his position. (IMHO he is the only one who is top 10, but I know the CJ partisans won't accept that) There is always room to improve!

As for Dame - there was a time people said Walton, or Clyde, or Roy, or even LMA was "untouchable". Look where that got us! The reality of the NBA is that players almost never spend their careers with one team.
Dame has said that he wants to be like Dirk and stick with one team his whole career as long as the Blazers want him. The only reason we traded Clyde is because he requested it. Dame is untouchable. I don't see us moving Nurk he's too good and young but obviously there are deals that would pry him away from us, I wouldn't want to see Gary go right now either so those two Nurk and Gary are in a class I'd put above expendable or replaceable because their upside and contracts make it very unlikely that we would get fair value in return... expendable is the wrong word to use for any player you wouldn't just let walk or any player that you wouldn't amnesty. I want to keep Zach because he's so athletic and energetic especially for his size, right now he's just rusty. If I was Neil and Jodi I wouldn't care about the luxury tax so I'd pick up Ariza's option and I don't think his trade value is as great as his practical value, so I'd keep him. I'd keep Nas because of obvious upside. Wenyen is an unknown but worth keeping around at like 2-3 mil a season for 3 years. Due to our cap situation, if Hassan is ready to come off the bench I'd re-sign him for up to 10 mil since we have Bird exception for him. Obviously Rodney is going to pick up his option so we've got to keep him. I would trade CJ for a 3 and D wing hopefully shedding salary. I would trade Ant for the best available prospect out there and see if someone else can develop him better. I'd pay Melo the vet min or let him walk, so he'd probably walk. If Rio wants to pick up that option cool but if he doesn't I'd let him walk.

I'd draft the best player available at our pick unless we can get an all-star level defensive stopper wing by including the pick with CJ. I'd pick up the best backup PG possible with the full MLE and fill the rest of the team with min players.
 
Dame has said that he wants to be like Dirk and stick with one team his whole career as long as the Blazers want him. The only reason we traded Clyde is because he requested it. Dame is untouchable. I don't see us moving Nurk he's too good and young but obviously there are deals that would pry him away from us, I wouldn't want to see Gary go right now either so those two Nurk and Gary are in a class I'd put above expendable or replaceable because their upside and contracts make it very unlikely that we would get fair value in return... expendable is the wrong word to use for any player you wouldn't just let walk or any player that you wouldn't amnesty. I want to keep Zach because he's so athletic and energetic especially for his size, right now he's just rusty. If I was Neil and Jodi I wouldn't care about the luxury tax so I'd pick up Ariza's option and I don't think his trade value is as great as his practical value, so I'd keep him. I'd keep Nas because of obvious upside. Wenyen is an unknown but worth keeping around at like 2-3 mil a season for 3 years. Due to our cap situation, if Hassan is ready to come off the bench I'd re-sign him for up to 10 mil since we have Bird exception for him. Obviously Rodney is going to pick up his option so we've got to keep him. I would trade CJ for a 3 and D wing hopefully shedding salary. I would trade Ant for the best available prospect out there and see if someone else can develop him better. I'd pay Melo the vet min or let him walk, so he'd probably walk. If Rio wants to pick up that option cool but if he doesn't I'd let him walk.

I'd draft the best player available at our pick unless we can get an all-star level defensive stopper wing by including the pick with CJ. I'd pick up the best backup PG possible with the full MLE and fill the rest of the team with min players.
Only parts of this I disagree with are keeping Hassan and using the MLE on a backup PG. If we could swing a deal sending CJ for a legit starting forward, I think the MLE would need to be used to get some scoring punch for the bench, since GTJ would now be starting at 2. If CJ isn't traded, that MLE should be used on a true stretch 4 (Collins isn't it). Either way, I think Zach needs to be in the "first big of the bench" role; I just don't trust him as a starter, which is one of several reasons why I wouldn't keep Whiteside.
 
I guess I'll be the first (only?) to say that with his combination of size, strength, shooting, defense, youth, and affordability, GTJ is basically an untouchable in today's NBA.
I hope he develops that way into that category. I wouldn’t move him based on his contract alone.
 
Only parts of this I disagree with are keeping Hassan and using the MLE on a backup PG. If we could swing a deal sending CJ for a legit starting forward, I think the MLE would need to be used to get some scoring punch for the bench, since GTJ would now be starting at 2. If CJ isn't traded, that MLE should be used on a true stretch 4 (Collins isn't it). Either way, I think Zach needs to be in the "first big of the bench" role; I just don't trust him as a starter, which is one of several reasons why I wouldn't keep Whiteside.
I think it's a simple difference of talent evaluation. I think Zach is going to be a very good starting PF in this league, his shot isn't falling but his mechanics are good and he wasn't able to get shots up while injured since it was a shoulder injury. Other than his outside shooting, he's really good. He has stellar footwork on defense, he is aggressive, hard working and very athletic for his size. So I think he only gets better and is already a good starter right now, just a little rusty. I think we should be able to get bench scoring from whoever we get for Ant, from the PG we get with the full MLE, some from Nas and if we don't use our pick in a CJ trade then we can get more bench scoring there. I don't know if Hassan will stay but if he doesn't then that would force us to get a backup big in the Ant trade or with the MLE which we could split between a backup big and a not quite as good backup PG or we give the full MLE to the PG and go smaller if Wenyen progresses to where he can be in a three man front court rotation with Zach and Nurk.
 
Every player on the team (with the exception of Dame) is expendable and replacable. Dame is our only player who is top 5 at his position. (IMHO he is the only one who is top 10, but I know the CJ partisans won't accept that) There is always room to improve!

As for Dame - there was a time people said Walton, or Clyde, or Roy, or even LMA was "untouchable". Look where that got us! The reality of the NBA is that players almost never spend their careers with one team.
If he's healthy, Nurk is a Top 3 center. I think health and consistency are the only things between he and Jokic/Embiid.
 
You don't think Nurk is easing into a top five center?

Id like to add, how was Portland's overall play before with Dame, but before Nurk?

If Dame is untradable, so is Nurk, for the mere fact of cohesion and a small and a big as a one two punch.

ala Kobe/Shaq

Walton got a title!

CLyde was traded....

Roys knees gave out.

LMA is soft.

None of these equate to Nurk.

Shaq was traded.
 
Shaq was traded.

Yes, after winning three rings in a row as a small/big duo and he wanted out. But look. Then he joined another small in Dwade and got 1 or 2 more?

When you have an all star small and an all star big.... You don't fuck with that if they have chemistry, in my opinion.
 
Yes, after winning three rings in a row as a small/big duo and he wanted out. But look. Then he joined another small in Dwade and got 1 or 2 more?

When you have an all star small and an all star big.... You don't fuck with that if they have chemistry, in my opinion.
if nurk can sustain this level of play while remaining somewhat free of injuries, and on THAT contract, you keep him at all costs. He's on exactly the same contract Curry was on that enabled GS to land KD. 4 yrs, 44 mil. For his level of production? that's absurd value and makes up for overpaying CJ.
 
I hope Nurk doesn't read this board. He might want to force a new contract. :(
 
If he's healthy, Nurk is a Top 3 center. I think health and consistency are the only things between he and Jokic/Embiid.
I love Nurk but he's not nearly as impactful as Jokic, Embiid or Gobert. It does seem he's in the best shape of his career now and is playing well, but he's still a tier bellow the top guys.

STOMP
 
I love Nurk but he's not nearly as impactful as Jokic, Embiid or Gobert. It does seem he's in the best shape of his career now and is playing well, but he's still a tier bellow the top guys.

STOMP
What? He's easily as impactful as Gobert. He's just as good defensively, and twice the offensive player. He might not be as good offensively as Jokic, but he's twice the defender. I call BS and stomp that nonsense out.
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I’d definitely start Trent if CJ got us a legitimate SF.
Trent doesn't get those wide open looks without CJ or Dame also on the court. Not sure he can carry the team the way CJ can and has done many times.
 
Trent doesn't get those wide open looks without CJ or Dame also on the court. Not sure he can carry the team the way CJ can and has done many times.
Well assuming CJ landed us a high quality forward, I think it would be fine.
 
Well assuming CJ landed us a high quality forward, I think it would be fine.
I agree with you on this. I do like CJ. Also his bond with the team and Lillard is strong. He is willing and fine with being second on the team. He steps up big in games when Lillard is out. He has really improved on defense, everyone who has been paying attention knows this. He wants to be in Portland. He is a tireless worker and has an impeccable moral standard (even likes wine). Well spoken and very well educated. Can make his own shot at the drop of a hat. Can score 40 on any given night and has scored 50 before in a game vs Denver. His numbers get better in the Playoffs and huge games. Has hit many game winners. This year is hitting over 38% from three and his career numbers from three are even higher at 39.8%.. Yep almost a career 40% 3 pt shooter.

You get me a "Quality Forward" that brings all that then I'm all for it. Sure.
 
I agree with you on this. I do like CJ. Also his bond with the team and Lillard is strong. He is willing and fine with being second on the team. He steps up big in games when Lillard is out. He has really improved on defense, everyone who has been paying attention knows this. He wants to be in Portland. He is a tireless worker and has an impeccable moral standard (even likes wine). Well spoken and very well educated. Can make his own shot at the drop of a hat. Can score 40 on any given night and has scored 50 before in a game vs Denver. His numbers get better in the Playoffs and huge games. Has hit many game winners. This year is hitting over 38% from three and his career numbers from three are even higher at 39.8%.. Yep almost a career 40% 3 pt shooter.

You get me a "Quality Forward" that brings all that then I'm all for it. Sure.

i think its possible When both Dame & CJ extended there is an understanding the two would be together through the extensions and Ive heard Dame Comment that was their position. Once the extensions are up they would readdress things.
I think they are signed through 23/24.
 
I've been thinking about this thread a lot lately during the scrimmages and first-half of the seeding games. I never wanted to answer after a win, because emotions are real and everything seems perfect. But after a loss, especially one that saw plenty of our players contribute to the result, I figured it was time. I also wanted to see if I was swayed by a win or a loss in regards to moving a player up or down a tier. I know personally, I tend to have knee-jerk reactions so it's going to be interesting to see the results.

Without further ado ..

(TRULY) UNTOUCHABLES

Damian Lillard
- Arguably Portland's best player in franchise history. Dame is locked into a long-term deal with the Blazers and is just now hitting his prime. It would be wrong to move Dame, even if the Lakers offered LeBron and Davis. We win with Dame. We lose with Dame. We ride with Dame. That's the bottom line.

UNTOUCHABLES

CJ McCollum
- This will probably surprise a few as CJ is the Blazer most seem willing to trade to upgrade the roster. I don't see it. CJ inked a long-term extension last summer, rather than test the open market this summer (err fall?). Like Lillard, McCollum is loyal to the Rose City ... that matters to me. Having another playmaker like CJ on the roster also opens up the floor for players like Gary Trent Jr. and takes on some of the playmaking load from Lillard. Two final points: His performance increases in the playoffs and he's been with us for seven years. I really want to win with Dame and CJ.

Jusuf Nurkic
- Assuming Nurk is able to stay healthy, he is arguably the best center in the league and he's under a team-friendly deal for two more seasons. Factor in age, chemistry with Lillard, and defensive impact ... there's not an upgrade available.

Bottom Line: Dame, CJ, and Nurk are Portland's Big 3. We're either winning a chip with them or not winning one at all. I think it's pretty clear we're going to ride with this Big 3.

Gary Trent Jr.
- Is this recency bias? You bet your sweet ass it is. Two-way wings are at a premium in today's NBA. Trent Jr. not only spaces the floor with his knock-down shooting ability, he's becoming Portland's best perimeter defender, and he plays with a chip on his shoulder.

KEEPERS

Carmelo Anthony
- Melo still has it. For the most part, I haven't been upset with his shot selection and he doesn't seem to stop the ball as much as anticipated. He's a beloved teammate, a vet, and a certified bucket, especially on the catch and shoot.

Wenyen Gabriel
- Love his defensive potential. He likely doesn't carry much trade value, so I'd love to see him develop under our coaching staff.

Nassir Little
- See above with the added notion that I think he's progressing nicely as an outside shooter.

Rodney Hood
- Love Rodney. Do not forget he shot nearly 50% from 3 before the injury. His ability to play post offense is another wrinkle the coaching staff can add to their gameplan. Also, he's coming off of an Achilles injury. He means more to us than he does to the rest of the league.

TRADE PIECES

Anfernee Simons
- Love Ant, but I do think too much was expected out of him this season. The hype train was a little out of control. He's still 20 years old with a ton of potential. In most normal Blazer seasons, you would hold onto a player like Ant but we need to go all-in to win now.

Trevor Ariza
- I want to make this crystal clear: this has nothing to do with Ariza not joining the Blazers in the bubble. If Ariza were just five years younger, I'd be all aboard keeping him. And, to be honest, I wouldn't mind if he kept him still, but his contract at $12 million (for 1 year if guaranteed) is an attractive trade piece to find a more long-term solution. Our roster clicked immediately after acquiring Trevor from Sacramento, but again, to get you must give.

Zach Collins
- This is a tough call for me. Zach has the potential to become everything we want in a modern NBA big but, similar to Ant, how long will it take? Zach's defense is still solid, but his foul habits are concerning as is his strength with the ball in his hands. I'd also like for him to be a better finisher around the rim.

Mario Henzonja
- A little too turnover prone for my liking, gets lost too often on help-side defense.

UNDECIDED

Hassan Whiteside
- Again, I love Hassan and his personality. From his social, it seems like he wants to be a Blazer for a long time. When he plays, it's difficult to tell if he's going 100% or if he's dinged up (I'm certain he played through injury this year because we had no other big bodies). A couple questions need to be answered: 1) Does he want to come off the bench here? 2) What type of salary is he looking for? 3) What other backup C options are out there? Remember, keeping Hassan does not deter us from using the MLE.
 
Can score 40 on any given night and has scored 50 before in a game vs Denver. His numbers get better in the Playoffs and huge games. Has hit many game winners. This year is hitting over 38% from three and his career numbers from three are even higher at 39.8%.. Yep almost a career 40% 3 pt shooter.

You get me a "Quality Forward" that brings all that then I'm all for it. Sure.
In 3 quarters, no less. I'm behind you 100%
 
I'd trade CJ for Khris Middleton.

well yeah, no wonder, Middleton is better than CJ. That would be a great trade for Portland except for Middleton's contract. I question if either player is worth their deal but I guess that's the way the league is heading
 
What? He's easily as impactful as Gobert. He's just as good defensively, and twice the offensive player. He might not be as good offensively as Jokic, but he's twice the defender. I call BS and stomp that nonsense out.
Just as good as Gobert defensively??? Other then your silly ass, does anyone think this? Certainly the stats & professionals who recognize game don't agree. Rudy has been voted on the All NBA Defensive 1st team three times and is the two time reigning Defensive Player of the Year while Nurk hasn't made a 1st or 2nd team. In his 7 seasons in the league, only his rookie year was Gobert not in the top 10 in Defensive Win Shares while Nurk only once finished in the top 10 with a 9th place finish in 2017-8. As to Nurkic being "twice the offensive player", he has a career scoring average of 0.1 points more then Gobert who consistently sits atop the league in TS%. Rudy has made two All NBA teams & is an All Star. Despite being in the league a year longer, Nurk hasn't received either of those honors once yet he's "easily as impactful" Oooookay!

Good grief man, what a joke of a post. Hopefully you were making a funny, if not you should sign your posts HOMER.

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