OT Up to 16 shot at Texas church after gunman opens fire during service

[Rastapopoulos]

Rhetoric matters.

This reminds me of this.

 

[MARIS61]

No motive identified for for Vegas shooting.

No motive identified for today's shooting.

But sure, only conservatives go to country music concerts and church.

That's at least 90% true, which is better than CNN can manage.

 

[MARIS61]

I will never understand this. Nobody from outside the US can understand this:

Because you, and anybody outside the US, will never understand what Freedom is.

You've never truly experienced it, or even wanted it, so I don't see any hope for you to understand it.

 

[barfo]

Because you, and anybody outside the US, will never understand what Freedom is.

You've never truly experienced it, or even wanted it, so I don't see any hope for you to understand it.

Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose"...

barfo

 

[Further]

I am not against guns or people owning them. It's a Natural Right. By politicizing the gun issue and this awful killing, you are smearing hundreds of millions of law abiding people.

hundreds of millions? How many Americans are there? How many own guns? ~ 300M Americans, ~ 1/3rd of adults own guns.

And then theres the question of if we are all being smeared. I don't feel like I'm being smeared by Rasta even though I own guns but perhaps I am. I don't own any AR-15's or Military style assault weapons. Neither do the majority of other gun owners. So, how many people are really being smeared?

 

[MARIS61]

hundreds of millions? How many Americans are there? How many own guns? ~ 300M Americans, ~ 1/3rd of adults own guns.

And then theres the question of if we are all being smeared. I don't feel like I'm being smeared by Rasta even though I own guns but perhaps I am. I don't own any AR-15's or Military style assault weapons. Neither do the majority of other gun owners. So, how many people are really being smeared?

Probably at least 75% of all gun owners.

Most Americans who have served in the military have so-called military style weapons, as do their heirs. AR15's are one of the most widely owned firearms available.

 

[stampedehero]

Evil and sadistic. Why can't they keep their own demons to themselves and eliminate their existence?

 

[Further]

Probably at least 75% of all gun owners.

Most Americans who have served in the military have so-called military style weapons, as do their heirs. AR15's are one of the most widely owned firearms available.

AR'15's are far and away the most popular Military assault style rifles and it's estimated that there are about 5 million AR'15 owners. That's still a lot.

 

[MarAzul]

AR'15's are far and away the most popular Military assault style rifles and it's estimated that there are about 5 million AR'15 owners. That's still a lot.

How many Mini14's are there. It is, was called the Rancher's Rifle. Same round, as the AR, but availble before AR.
Millions as I recall, but I don't know for sure. Never hear it referred to as an assault rifle.
I have to admitt though, I did assault some coyotes with it that were trying to get at the young Canadian Geese I was protecting.

I guess it doesn't scare people like the AR which looks something like the M16. The Mini14 looks more like the old Marine 30 cal carbine.
Old fashion, therefore not scary.

 

[Further]

How many Mini14's are there. It is, was called the Rancher's Rifle. Same round, as the AR, but availble before AR.
Millions as I recall, but I don't know for sure. Never hear it referred to as an assault rifle.
I have to admitt though, I did assault some coyotes with it that were trying to get at the young Canadian Geese I was protecting.

I guess it doesn't scare people like the AR which looks something like the M16. The Mini14 looks more like the old Marine 30 cal carbine.
Old fashion, therefore not scary.

I've had fun a couple times with a Mini 14. No idea how many there are, I looked around briefly online for an answer but couldn't find one. I know they are quite common, but I not close to the AR-15 in popularity. Just from personal experience, you go to a rifle range, AR and AK's (or variants) but I almost never see anyone at a range with a Mini 14.

 

[MarAzul]

I almost never see anyone at a range with a Mini 14.

Not surprising. I can't think of time I ever went to a range with mine. They won't let you practice mowing down a pack of coyotes like you can on the ranch.
The range marshall would lose his mind when you dump a 30 mag in 8 seconds or so.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Don't know jack shit about guns but one of the most memorable experiences I remember having being a judgemental asshole was getting taken to a gun show by a friend 5 or 6 years ago.

I just couldn't stop looking around at all the Harley shirt wearing morons drooling over the neato guns.

I'm sorry but it is just stupid. This friend was a guy I worked with who wouldn't spend a few bucks to get his car on the road so his wife had to drop him off at work and pick him up after.

Then he cashed out an old 401k and bought more guns and he still kept on making her his chauffeur.

Full on crazy in my opinion.

 

[Further]

Not surprising. I can't think of time I ever went to a range with mine. They won't let you practice mowing down a pack of coyotes like you can on the ranch.
The range marshall would lose his mind when you dump a 30 mag in 8 seconds or so.

I used to shoot at a range in Vancouver and they let us shoot anything. I shot AK's and all sorts of rifles. Got to shoot an FN Scar there. Also a place Eastern WA. It depends on the place I guess.

 

[barfo]

Then he cashed out an old 401k and bought more guns and he still kept on making her his chauffeur.

I got a limo, ride in the back
I lock the doors in case of attack

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I got a limo, ride in the back
I lock the doors in case of attack

barfo

So far

 

[rasheedfan2005]

hundreds of millions? How many Americans are there? How many own guns? ~ 300M Americans, ~ 1/3rd of adults own guns.

And then theres the question of if we are all being smeared. I don't feel like I'm being smeared by Rasta even though I own guns but perhaps I am. I don't own any AR-15's or Military style assault weapons. Neither do the majority of other gun owners. So, how many people are really being smeared?

Picked mine up last year with tax money. 'Merica. It's yet to open my safe and shoot anyone though. Guess its good i didnt get a ruger.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I am not against guns or people owning them. It's a Natural Right.

Yes we have a "natural right" to guns because they grow around us in abundance and are essential for sustenance. Just like all the great political thinkers, Plato, Aristotle, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau et al always insisted.

By politicizing the gun issue and this awful killing, you are smearing hundreds of millions of law abiding people.

Oh shit, I never realized! Please give us a precise definition of "politicizing" so we will know how to avoid this in future. As a resident of Flint, I'm very afraid we have been "politicizing" the whole lead-in-the-water thing!

 

[jonnyboy]

The suspect was stopped by two armed citizens, one of which was an NRA weapons instructor. They lived nearby, heard the shots and immedately engaged the suspect, ending the shooting abruptly. The suspect fled, with more weapons and ammo and was pursued by the two men until he wrecked his car and succombed to injuries.

Thought that might be relevant. Surprised it hadn't been mentioned.

 

[dviss1]

For those of you concerned about the shooter's mental health....


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT???

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

For those of you concerned about the shooter's mental health....


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT???

My choice isn't viable.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

The suspect was stopped by two armed citizens, one of which was an NRA weapons instructor. They lived nearby, heard the shots and immedately engaged the suspect, ending the shooting abruptly. The suspect fled, with more weapons and ammo and was pursued by the two men until he wrecked his car and succombed to injuries.

Thought that might be relevant. Surprised it hadn't been mentioned.

Maybe because 26 people had already died by then? Like, yeah awesome work guys, but zero deaths is the number we're after. C- work.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Maybe because 26 people had already died by then? Like, yeah awesome work guys, but zero deaths is the number we're after. C- work.

Maybe he makes it to a school or shopping mall otherwise.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Maybe he makes it to a school or shopping mall otherwise.

Like I said, C- work. Not a failure, but don't be too proud, cause, y'know, 26 people still died.

 

[jonnyboy]

Like I said, C- work. Not a failure, but don't be too proud, cause, y'know, 26 people still died.

I don't think they were boasting about it. One of the witnesses inside the church basically said she was next in line when the neighbor engaged the suspect, taking the suspects attention off of her. I doubt she would have given them a C- grade. I didn't realize they were being tested. It takes a lot of balls to exchange gunfire with a murderer. He had no idea how many people were dead he just took it upon himself to risk his life trying to save whoever he could.

I give your shitty comment an F.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

One of the witnesses inside the church basically said she was next in line when the neighbor engaged the suspect, taking the suspects attention off of her.

Link? The reports I've heard and read is that the dipshit had emptied all 15 of his 30 round magazines and was running back to his car when the good guy with a gun engaged him.

 

[MarAzul]

The reports I've heard and read

Intresting take. Link?

 

[jonnyboy]

Link? The reports I've heard and read is that the dipshit had emptied all 15 of his 30 round magazines and was running back to his car when the good guy with a gun engaged him.

www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article183164321.html

Her name is Farida Brown. She looked to be next in line to die, and probably would not have been the last.

 

[theprunetang]

My new favorite mobile game:

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com

 

[Further]

My new favorite mobile game:

https://www.thoughtsandprayersthegame.com

thats hilarious

 

[MARIS61]

For those of you concerned about the shooter's mental health....


WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT???

I for one have repeatedly emailed my supposed reps quite a few times expressing my desire that they direct much more of my tax dollars to treating and funding research for mental illness. They have simply refused without reply and that is why I voted against all of them and will from now on. Drain the swamp!