Upgrading the SG position

[Hobbesarable]

He's a rookie so you have to make some allowances for that. Given that the prevailing wisdom around here is that the Blazers should aim not to make the playoffs, it seems to me that giving Barton a lot of burn the rest of the season makes sense. See if he improves before deciding on the game plan for the draft.

Are you depending upon that for next season as an impact bench player? Blazers better do a CYA!

 

[magnifier661]

Are you depending upon that for next season as an impact bench player? Blazers better do a CYA!

Barton's contract is cheap though

 

[Hobbesarable]

Barton's contract is cheap though

Once upon a time we said the same thing about Nolan Smith!

 

[Blazinaway]

Once upon a time we said the same thing about Nolan Smith!

well IMO barton has already shown more than Nolan ever did and he is significantly cheaper, he was a good 2nd rd pick IMO, Nolan was simple a terrible pick

 

[magnifier661]

Once upon a time we said the same thing about Nolan Smith!

Nolan smith is still cheap too. Nolan is being paid almost twice as much as Barton. 880k is chump change for a player.

 

[magnifier661]

well IMO barton has already shown more than Nolan ever did and he is significantly cheaper, he was a good 2nd rd pick IMO, Nolan was simple a terrible pick

Yeah he was a mid first rounder. There is a big difference between the two. Where our team really dropped the ball was the freeland signing. He is arguably the biggest based by performance.

 

[Hobbesarable]

well IMO barton has already shown more than Nolan ever did and he is significantly cheaper, he was a good 2nd rd pick IMO, Nolan was simple a terrible pick

I agree. I was being sarcastic, Surge.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Yeah he was a mid first rounder. There is a big difference between the two. Where our team really dropped the ball was the freeland signing. He is arguably the biggest based by performance.

Dropping the ball - trading for Felton and selecting Nolan instead of Faried.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Would you guys trade for or sign a young versatile back court player with a PER over 18, who shoots the ball well as well as rebounds and passes well?

 

[RR7]

Would you guys trade for or sign a young versatile back court player with a PER over 18, who shoots the ball well as well as rebounds and passes well?

sure. Who is your mystery player.

 

[illmatic99]

Reke?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Reke?

Absolutely!!!!

His numbers are better overall than Matthews, and he is the type of player who would allow Lillard to play off the ball a bit more

 

[blue9]

All of the beatwriters for this team have said that if Neil makes a trade it will be for a young backcourt mate for Lillard.

Does he not see Wes as a long-term answer next to Lillard or does he view Wes as instant offense/shooting off the bench in a 6th man role?

Looking at his numbers it's hard to find any young(er?) SG out there that would be an "upgrade."

I think it has more to do with the beat writers all being absolute morons.

 

[illmatic99]

I'd sign Evans. But I would not trade value for him.

 

[blue9]

I like Wes. A 6th man of the year candidate type. Perfect spark off the bench. I've been a Matthews fan since his rookie year in Utah. I just think he'd be ideal sparking a bench unit.

I disagree - he's far better suited to starting. He doesn't have the greatest handles, so he can't really be the guy to come in off the bench and run the second unit's offense. Also, he's a good/great defender and you want your best defensive players playing against the oppositions best offensive players.
We're not going to upgrade the starting SG position - it's just NOT gonna happen.

 

[blue9]

Can Lillard really do well as an off-ball SG?

I think we're seeing that he can, with Nic running the point quite often.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Absolutely!!!!

His numbers are better overall than Matthews, and he is the type of player who would allow Lillard to play off the ball a bit more

He would be the perfect 6th man with his versatility at the 1/2/3 spots.

 

[blue9]

I'd sign Evans. But I would not trade value for him.

Agreed. About all I'd give up for him is Nolan/Price/Williams.

 

[magnifier661]

I disagree - he's far better suited to starting. He doesn't have the greatest handles, so he can't really be the guy to come in off the bench and run the second unit's offense. Also, he's a good/great defender and you want your best defensive players playing against the oppositions best offensive players.
We're not going to upgrade the starting SG position - it's just NOT gonna happen.

Keep in mind that either Batum or Lillard will be in the game all the time. They are both good at the role you suggest. Having Wes come off the bench will provide solid defense, plus a much better scoring. We could find a starting quality SG that can shoot with more consistency like JJ reddick or find a defensive minded SF role player to start and move Batum at starting SG.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Keep in mind that either Batum or Lillard will be in the game all the time. They are both good at the role you suggest. Having Wes come off the bench will provide solid defense, plus a much better scoring. We could find a starting quality SG that can shoot with more consistency like JJ reddick or find a defensive minded SF role player to start and move Batum at starting SG.

I think a back-up pg is more of a priority than a back-up SG.

Of course, we need interior defense as well.

 

[magnifier661]

I think a back-up pg is more of a priority than a back-up SG.

Of course, we need interior defense as well.

The back up PG role is a big need, but I think adding the consistent outside shooter holds more value. It's pretty obvious that Stott's system is the inside out game for the most part. Aldridge needs as many shooters as possible to kick it out to. If Batum, Matthews and Lillard have off nights; it's soooo hard for this team to have any sort of success. JJ Reddick is as about as consistent as you can get from the perimeter. He has a very quick release so the defense really can't cheat off of him. That will open the game for Batum, Aldridge and Lillard.

Then if we add a player like Dalembert; we have someone that can protect the paint, rebound (offensive) and give you some post scoring. And if we get Dalembert, then we should keep Hickson as the big man rotation.

 

[Rhal]

Keep in mind that either Batum or Lillard will be in the game all the time. They are both good at the role you suggest. Having Wes come off the bench will provide solid defense, plus a much better scoring. We could find a starting quality SG that can shoot with more consistency like JJ reddick or find a defensive minded SF role player to start and move Batum at starting SG.

Blue9 is spot on. Wes is your starting SG because there isnt really an option to pick up a better defender who also knocks down threes like Wes. His inability to create for himself limits his 6th man potential.
The Blazrrs arent lacking a quality starting SG what we are lacking is a SG to come off the bench who can create his own shot. The sixth man SG in the mold of Mayo/crawchuck/lou williams/kevin martin/jj reddick/kyle korver is what we need.

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[RR7]

Evans off the bench would be a great addition. We tend to close games going small, we'd be able to go Lillard/Wes/Evans/Batum/Aldridge to close out most games.

 

[magnifier661]

Blue9 is spot on. Wes is your starting SG because there isnt really an option to pick up a better defender who also knocks down threes like Wes. His inability to create for himself limits his 6th man potential.
The Blazrrs arent lacking a quality starting SG what we are lacking is a SG to come off the bench who can create his own shot. The sixth man SG in the mold of Mayo/crawchuck/lou williams/kevin martin/jj reddick/kyle korver is what we need.

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I've been advocating JJ reddick pretty much all season. Regardless if he is the man off the bench or starting; him and Korver are the gusy we can obtain and not over-pay IMO. Martin, crawchuck and Mayo will all be over-paid this summer.

 

[Rhal]

I've been advocating JJ reddick pretty much all season. Regardless if he is the man off the bench or starting; him and Korver are the gusy we can obtain and not over-pay IMO. Martin, crawchuck and Mayo will all be over-paid this summer.

I Dont want martin/crawchuch/mayo they were just examples of the type of player it would be nice to have. Im a big fan of the skillset reddick brings to the table.

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[RR7]

I've been advocating JJ reddick pretty much all season. Regardless if he is the man off the bench or starting; him and Korver are the gusy we can obtain and not over-pay IMO. Martin, crawchuck and Mayo will all be over-paid this summer.

Redick is a career .400 3 point shooter. Matthews shoots .391. Is that small of a difference worth signing r?

 

[blue9]

Keep in mind that either Batum or Lillard will be in the game all the time. They are both good at the role you suggest. Having Wes come off the bench will provide solid defense, plus a much better scoring. We could find a starting quality SG that can shoot with more consistency like JJ reddick or find a defensive minded SF role player to start and move Batum at starting SG.

Not buying it. Nic's handles - while improved - aren't good enough to constantly bring the ball up-court and initiate the offense. Reddick is more suited to a back-up role than Wes is, and someone like Evans, Martin, or Ellis would make a better back-up than Reddick. I don't think Wes is the be-all, end-all of SGs, but there isn't a better starting option out there. He's a starter, pure and simple.

 

[Hobbesarable]

I've been advocating JJ reddick pretty much all season. Regardless if he is the man off the bench or starting; him and Korver are the gusy we can obtain and not over-pay IMO. Martin, crawchuck and Mayo will all be over-paid this summer.

Agreed. I also like Jarrett Jack and Tyreke Evans.

As for big men, I'm beginning to soften my stance on Dalembert.

 

[magnifier661]

Agreed. I also like Jarrett Jack and Tyreke Evans.

As for big men, I'm beginning to soften my stance on Dalembert.

I just don't think Jack is obtainable. The work he's been doing in Golden State has put his value to "overpay" to try and get him.

I'm not a big fan of Evans just because that team has had big issues with players distributing. I worry that Evans would screw up the distribution and flow.

 

[RR7]

I just don't think Jack is obtainable. The work he's been doing in Golden State has put his value to "overpay" to try and get him.

I'm not a big fan of Evans just because that team has had big issues with players distributing. I worry that Evans would screw up the distribution and flow.

if all you offer is the MLE, redick isn't signing here over other places that can offer the same.