Upgrading the SG position

[Mediocre Man]

I know, I know, but Jeryd Bayless would be a nice back up? Actually scratch that, he only dominates when he starts

So would Telfair, actually

 

[Hobbesarable]

I just don't think Jack is obtainable. The work he's been doing in Golden State has put his value to "overpay" to try and get him.

I'm not a big fan of Evans just because that team has had big issues with players distributing. I worry that Evans would screw up the distribution and flow.

What do you think Jack is wanting?

 

[magnifier661]

if all you offer is the MLE, redick isn't signing here over other places that can offer the same.

You think he's getting more than 5 mil? MaxMLE should be around that amount.

 

[magnifier661]

What do you think Jack is wanting?

Probably around 6.5-8 million. I maybe way off though.

 

[RR7]

It's just mle, no need to say max.
I don't know if he will get more, possibly. Just saying if he only gets that, he would go to anyone else that can offer it also. He wouldn't come here for the same money he can get in, say, Chicago.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Probably around 6.5-8 million. I maybe way off though.

Well, Golden State is over the cap and they may want to trade and/or release some players. Besides, Jack is familiar with the City of Portland. IMO, it's worth a shot.

 

[magnifier661]

It's just mle, no need to say max.
I don't know if he will get more, possibly. Just saying if he only gets that, he would go to anyone else that can offer it also. He wouldn't come here for the same money he can get in, say, Chicago.

Yes maybe Chicago would be a great destination as well; but he will be competing with about 4 other unrestricted shooters like Korver, Mo Williams, Foye, Martin, Brewer, Daniels, Morrow, Barbosa, Johnson, Webster, Bell, Jones, and Mason Jr.

 

[magnifier661]

Well, Golden State is over the cap and they may want to trade and/or release some players. Besides, Jack is familiar with the City of Portland. IMO, it's worth a shot.

I am a big fan of Jack. You would hear no complaints from me if we somehow were able to land him.

 

[blue9]

I worry that Evans would screw up the distribution and flow.

That's why you put him in a 6th man role where he can hog the ball and not screw with the flow of our starting unit.
(I can't believe I'm defending - nay, promoting - the idea of bringing Evans in.)

 

[RR7]

Yes maybe Chicago would be a great destination as well; but he will be competing with about 4 other unrestricted shooters like Korver, Mo Williams, Foye, Martin, Brewer, Daniels, Morrow, Barbosa, Johnson, Webster, Bell, Jones, and Mason Jr.

I'm saying why would he choose Portland over a better team who wanted him?

 

[drexlersdad]

I know, I know, but Jeryd Bayless would be a nice back up? Actually scratch that, he only dominates when he starts

the best season bayless has had is probably his second year in portland

that said he might turn into a player one of these years

 

[drexlersdad]

and obviously he would help the blazers bench, who wouldnt?

 

[BigGameDamian]

I like Wes. A 6th man of the year candidate type. Perfect spark off the bench. I've been a Matthews fan since his rookie year in Utah. I just think he'd be ideal sparking a bench unit.

Yes by all means if this team gives up Wes it's headed straight toward the shitter and will never be good again.

 

[Mediocre Man]

the best season bayless has had is probably his second year in portland

that said he might turn into a player one of these years

As a starter in his career, Bayless averages 16/5/3 in 32 MPG
Shoots 45% field/36 from 3pt
40 games

 

[BBert]

Absolutely!!!!

His numbers are better overall than Matthews, and he is the type of player who would allow Lillard to play off the ball a bit more

I'm down. I mean bullish on Evans.

 

[BBert]

I'd sign Evans. But I would not trade value for him.

That's good because we don't have any 'value' we can afford to trade. LOL

 

[drexlersdad]

As a starter in his career, Bayless averages 16/5/3 in 32 MPG
Shoots 45% field/36 from 3pt
40 games

a 40 game average over a 6 year career just isnt as impressive to me as it is to you, clearly

 

[Mediocre Man]

a 40 game average over a 6 year career just isnt as impressive to me as it is to you, clearly

Just saying, when he starts, he has always played well

 

[BigGameDamian]

The thought of trading Mathews reminds me of the days when Portland could have traded Kersey in a trade for Barkley they are both fans favorites and the fans so NO but would have been good for the team.

 

[e_blazer]

The thought of trading Mathews reminds me of the days when Portland could have traded Kersey in a trade for Barkley they are both fans favorites and the fans so NO but would have been good for the team.

Let us know who the current "Barkley" would be before we decide whether your analogy makes any sense. There's always somebody better out there to dream about, but it has to be someone who's actually obtainable and who would work better in the Blazers' lineup.

 

[e_blazer]

Another thing that others have commented on, SG is hardly the biggest issue for the Blazers. Center, second string PG and firepower off the bench come to mind before I start worrying about an upgrade for Wesley. Fill those holes, and I think the Blazers do just fine with him as their starting SG.

 

[drexlersdad]

Just saying, when he starts, he has always played well

im just saying, 40 interspersed games over a 6 year career isnt necessarily indicative of his hypothetical production over 40 (or 82) games starting in a row

lou williams has almost the same bump in his 47 games as a starter, as do many more players im sure

 

[Denny Crane]

I think the SG position is thin and difficult to fill. Wes is not a Dwyane Wade caliber SG, but there are few of his caliber at any position. Wes is actually so good that he's been the starting SG on every NBA team he's played for.

Your certainly not going to find as good a 2-way player to replace him.

The only guy that could be had that might be an upgrade is Mayo. You'd gain 2-3 PPG but lose a lot on defense. Mayo, though, is a capable #1 option and far more likely to put up 50 in a game.

 

[HailBlazers]

^Exactly, we need a 6th man SG, a la Jason Terry that can come off the bench for a spark and run with the first unit late in games when points are needed.

 

[Denny Crane]

Maybe the Bulls would do this deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=alawbl2

Only if it gets them under the LT though.

 

[RR7]

Maybe the Bulls would do this deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=alawbl2

Only if it gets them under the LT though.

I think if Chicago wants to save that much money, they'd need to offer incentive, personally.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think if Chicago wants to save that much money, they'd need to offer incentive, personally.

Nate Robinson is instant offense off the bench. Can play both guard positions. He has a 18.6 PER, and just won player of the week in the east. A bargain going forward, too.

Isn't that incentive?

 

[RR7]

Nate Robinson is instant offense off the bench. Can play both guard positions. He has a 18.6 PER, and just won player of the week in the east. A bargain going forward, too.

Isn't that incentive?

He's an expiring contract who we can sign in the offseason, meanwhile Rip takes away a million in our cap space to waive him. A tiny tiny bit of incentive for this season? Sure, I suppose. But not at all worth it. Memphis just sent out a first round pick and 3 young players to get under the tax. Nate Robinson expiring isn't incentive. Sorry.

 

[Denny Crane]

He's an expiring contract who we can sign in the offseason, meanwhile Rip takes away a million in our cap space to waive him. A tiny tiny bit of incentive for this season? Sure, I suppose. But not at all worth it. Memphis just sent out a first round pick and 3 young players to get under the tax. Nate Robinson expiring isn't incentive. Sorry.

If Rip signs anywhere for $1m, you're off the hook.

Memphis got rid of a guy with a ginormous contract running past this season. They had to offer more for that reason. If they needed to shed $1m to get under the LT, they certainly wouldn't offer a 1st and 3 players to provide incentive.

 

[RR7]

If Rip signs anywhere for $1m, you're off the hook.

Memphis got rid of a guy with a ginormous contract running past this season. They had to offer more for that reason. If they needed to shed $1m to get under the LT, they certainly wouldn't offer a 1st and 3 players to provide incentive.

I don't think that's the case with Rip's 1 million. That's guaranteed money for him, regardless.
As for Memphis, they moved Gay AFTER getting out of the LT. They traded Ellington, Speights, Selby and a 1st to get under the tax. I understand there is less savings for the Bulls, so the incentive doesn't have to be equal, but it sure as shit isn't going to be Nate.