UPS to drop 15,000 spouses from insurance; cites Obamacare

[MickZagger]

This was mentioned earlier in the thread.

Reading comprehension FAIL.

What's the point of the thread then? Corporate America being more greedy? Is this a surprise to you guys? Yet the same ones in this thread that bash unions and idolize the corporate world are up in arms about this?

I just skimmed through the thread on my paid break the first time so I missed where we covered that this is the corporate sheep being affected by this.

 

[PapaG]

I see the exact opposite. "Government" is a bogeyman, and corporations act only to further themselves.

I distrust both entities, which is why I left corporate America. I'm much more concerned about the power of government than I am corporations, though.

 

[PapaG]

So what?

No monopoly hurt anyone.

The only monopoly in this country is the federal government.

 

[Denny Crane]

The story is about UPS not being moronic in its decision making.

Enough said.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I distrust both entities, which is why I left corporate America. I'm much more concerned about the power of government than I am corporations, though.

Government might have control of the military, but corporations could just let out all the prisoners in private supermax prisons to battle them.

 

[mobes23]

I've got to admit I like some things about Obamacare...it's great that someone diagnosed with a bad disease like cancer, MS, etc. when they're 25 isn't uninsurable the rest of their lives. Similarly, I'm glad lifetime limits go away for cases like that. Obviously, there are some bad aspects too and this thread is full of those.

But, the one thing I don't get, is why is a universal healthcare system so impossible? Haven't other countries instituted it pretty successfully? Is it logistically/numerically impossible? Or do people not like the idea because it goes against the appreciation of each person pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps?

 

[PapaG]

Government might have control of the military, but corporations could just let out all the prisoners in private supermax prisons to battle them.

Tell me that's a joke, and that you really don't believe it. If not ... wow.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Tell me that's a joke, and that you really don't believe it. If not ... wow.

Yes that was definitely a joke.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

What's the point of the thread then? Corporate America being more greedy? Is this a surprise to you guys? Yet the same ones in this thread that bash unions and idolize the corporate world are up in arms about this?

I just skimmed through the thread on my paid break the first time so I missed where we covered that this is the corporate sheep being affected by this.

Fuck, I have no idea. It's a couple people bitching and up in arms over UPS making the cuts, calling them greedy. And the other side saying it's Obamacare, since that's who UPS is choosing to blame.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

No health insurance for the spouse . . . I kinda like that idea.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

At least get life insurance on it!

I kid. Actually, I didn't realize how important life insurance really is until recently. And there are all sorts of ways to structure it. Going to do something to make sure the fam is taken care of if/when something unexpected happens to me.

 

[Denny Crane]

I've got to admit I like some things about Obamacare...it's great that someone diagnosed with a bad disease like cancer, MS, etc. when they're 25 isn't uninsurable the rest of their lives. Similarly, I'm glad lifetime limits go away for cases like that. Obviously, there are some bad aspects too and this thread is full of those.

But, the one thing I don't get, is why is a universal healthcare system so impossible? Haven't other countries instituted it pretty successfully? Is it logistically/numerically impossible? Or do people not like the idea because it goes against the appreciation of each person pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps?

The government could buy and build hospitals and clinics, hire doctors and other staff, and simply give actual care to people for cost.

The VA does it. It works as well as government can do anything.

The doctors aren't incentivized by how many surgeries they do, but they get paid to do X surgeries a week. Like that.

 

[PapaG]

The government could buy and build hospitals and clinics, hire doctors and other staff, and simply give actual care to people for cost.

The VA does it. It works as well as government can do anything.

The doctors aren't incentivized by how many surgeries they do, but they get paid to do X surgeries a week. Like that.

Huh? You forgot to add "not very well".

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/inspectors-find-problems-at-decatur-va-hospital/nXgdK/

 

[Denny Crane]

Huh? You forgot to add "not very well".

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/inspectors-find-problems-at-decatur-va-hospital/nXgdK/

Overall, the VA has vastly improved over what it was.

If people want the govt to provide actual health care, this is how it's done.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Huh? You forgot to add "not very well".

http://www.myajc.com/news/news/local/inspectors-find-problems-at-decatur-va-hospital/nXgdK/

dunno about you, but they have taken great care of me and still do. but I go to OHSU, one of the finest teaching hospitals in the nation. Ihave had other guys I know say they have not had the quality of care that I recieve

 

[PapaG]

dunno about you, but they have taken great care of me and still do. but I go to OHSU, one of the finest teaching hospitals in the nation. Ihave had other guys I know say they have not had the quality of care that I recieve

I used to call on the VA when I was in pharma. I was never impressed, and I think veterans should receive even better care than members of Congress.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I used to call on the VA when I was in pharma. I was never impressed, and I think veterans should receive even better care than members of Congress.

hahahahaaa that will never happen, but it isa great idea..have them have to use the same system perhaps?

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

dunno about you, but they have taken great care of me and still do. but I go to OHSU, one of the finest teaching hospitals in the nation. Ihave had other guys I know say they have not had the quality of care that I recieve

When my daughter was in there it was one big snafu after another. I finally had to personally assail the head doctor to get anything done right. They gave her wring medications, left her passed out, left her over 48 hours with no food or water... it was a hell hole.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm a Kaiser member. Great Doctors, great surgeons. Dr. David Parsons at Kaiser Sunnyside is not only crafty on the operating table with a knife, but a helluva a guy that I chat with via email every couple months. Genuine people like that, let alone a surgeon is so rare.

 

[maxiep]

The incentives are aligned exactly the way the Democrats want them. In a few years, single payer will be the only viable option.

 

[PapaG]

I'm a Kaiser member. Great Doctors, great surgeons. Dr. David Parsons at Kaiser Sunnyside is not only crafty on the operating table with a knife, but a helluva a guy that I chat with via email every couple months. Genuine people like that, let alone a surgeon is so rare.

I'm glad your Kaiser experience has been great. It's been the same thing for my family, too. Competent people are working for that non-profit company without making piles of money that they would at a Legacy or Providence.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm glad your Kaiser experience has been great. It's been the same thing for my family, too. Competent people are working for that non-profit company without making piles of money that they would at a Legacy or Providence.

My moms an administrator at a Kaiser facility and people bitch and complain constantly about it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

My moms an administrator at a Kaiser facility and people bitch and complain constantly about it.

It does seem hit or miss; my parents love them, and one of their doctors saved my dad's life. But other people I talk to hate them with a fiery passion.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

It does seem hit or miss; my parents love them, and one of their doctors saved my dad's life. But other people I talk to hate them with a fiery passion.

Yeah, a I have a few different sets of friends that have Kaiser. Most of them seem to bitch and think they're being short-changed by being provided Kaiser through work versus something that offers access to Providence. The time or two I had to go through Kaiser, I had no issues whatsoever.

 

[magnifier661]

I had a talk with my attorney about this; whom is a registered republican. He and I agree that as a owner of a corporation, why wouldn't we want to bless those that helped bless us?

Our corporation offers health insurance to all our employees, and w match whatever they put in their retirement accounts. I don't need some government force me to do so. A dick will still be a dick and can bypass the mandate by the government "reducing hours and stuff like that".

Just like gun laws, it's really punishing those that do the right thing and the ones that are assholes now have the ability to bypass laws, legally or illegally because they want to cut government control.

So who actually wins? Not the poor...