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That's ridiculous. More ridiculous than what Maris said. I don't know if this guy got entrapped by a DEA agent or he wanted to be Escobar or where he is in between.

He could be a completely wannabe Drug Lord, you don't know. Being involved with 2 lbs of cocaine isn't stealing cheese
I’d say it’s closer to cheese than ordering the deaths of 5000 people and earning $55,000,000,000 (in today’s money) in drug crimes

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.quora.com/How-many-people-did-Pablo-Escobar-kill/amp
 
It compares transferring cocaine with a man who chopped people up, blew up jet liners, shot and ordered the murders of thousands, and sold more drugs than anyone in history to that point in time. There is no equivalency. It’s possible the guy was somewhere in the line of some deaths, but nothing to show intent and certainly nothing to show anywhere near the numbers. It’s like saying Simone who transmits the common cold is the same as someone who transmits AIDS knowingly, sure, it’s possible that one of the people who craggy the cold died, but there is just no equivilsncy.

Ah!
The granularity of your vision is finer than mine. I simply see drug dealers, two of them. Drug dealer are distributing the means to personal destruction and death.
It is simply a matter of when you catch them in their career that alters the toll of destruction they cause, it does not alter their guilt nor the just reward.
 
Ah!
The granularity of your vision is finer than mine. I simply see drug dealers, two of them. Drug dealer are distributing the means to personal destruction and death.
It is simply a matter of when you catch them in their career that alters the toll of destruction they cause, it does not alter their guilt nor the just reward.
I draw distinctions. A coffee purveyor is also selling drugs. It’s not the same.
 
Drug dealer are distributing the means to personal destruction and death.
Pharmacists and doctors do this too.....if drugs aren't illegal...junkies don't need to rob someone to get a fix...they can just go to the pharmacy and get some...the blackmarket drug market is just like prohibition alcohol.....violence is a product of the illegality....if someone wants to off themselves with pain killers they got from the dentist...so be it.....the Dutch proved legalization reduces drug crimes across the board. Most folks don't blink when a junkie overdoses or someone takes a fistful of pills to end their life. Any addiction is a death dance ...even if it's reckless driving or walking a tightrope in New York City....
 
Pharmacists and doctors do this too.....if drugs aren't illegal...junkies don't need to rob someone to get a fix...they can just go to the pharmacy and get some...the blackmarket drug market is just like prohibition alcohol.....violence is a product of the illegality....if someone wants to off themselves with pain killers they got from the dentist...so be it.....the Dutch proved legalization reduces drug crimes across the board. Most folks don't blink when a junkie overdoses or someone takes a fistful of pills to end their life. Any addiction is a death dance ...even if it's reckless driving or walking a tightrope in New York City....

Yes, what a wonderful improvement to our quality of life to have everyone having the right to sell dope anytime they are a little short of cash. Or even a little short on funding their pursuit of happiness. Of course they will need arms to protect their stash. It probably easier to make a deal down near the Jr. high, those 12 year olds will try any kind a shit if you entertain them a little, make um feel a little important. Quick and easy.
 
having the right to sell dope anytime
everyday people buy legal drugs and sell them that can kill you...in drugstores...you're just segregating the drugs...they'll sell them anyway...always have....just like booze...make it illegal, folks will make it and sell it or buy it. Pot is legal and in one year the price has already plummeted....cheaper it is, fewer people find a need to grow massive amounts of it.
 
everyday people buy legal drugs and sell them that can kill you...in drugstores...you're just segregating the drugs...they'll sell them anyway...always have....just like booze...make it illegal, folks will make it and sell it or buy it.

Of course you note, I strongly disagree. There is no good to be had with drug dealers on the street selling to where ever they can. None!
 
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I think most of you know how pro military I am. I have to read between the lines here. A general discharge is one step up from a dishonorable discharge. The guy was a problem while in the service, so they booted his ass out. Guy was doing drugs while in the service to the point that he was caught. So , not a casual user concerned about passing a piss test.
I have zero respect for those that would put others at risk.
Gets out over 15 years ago and works his way up to messing with serious weight..no, this is not a passing fancy or an innocent mistake. This guy is for real. P{lay stupid games, win stupid prizes. This shit is on him.
 
I think most of you know how pro military I am. I have to read between the lines here. A general discharge is one step up from a dishonorable discharge. The guy was a problem while in the service, so they booted his ass out. Guy was doing drugs while in the service to the point that he was caught. So , not a casual user concerned about passing a piss test.
I have zero respect for those that would put others at risk.
Gets out over 15 years ago and works his way up to messing with serious weight..no, this is not a passing fancy or an innocent mistake. This guy is for real. P{lay stupid games, win stupid prizes. This shit is on him.

I had exactly the same read. Just did not want to type that much.
 
Yes, what a wonderful improvement to our quality of life to have everyone having the right to sell dope anytime they are a little short of cash. Or even a little short on funding their pursuit of happiness. Of course they will need arms to protect their stash. It probably easier to make a deal down near the Jr. high, those 12 year olds will try any kind a shit if you entertain them a little, make um feel a little important. Quick and easy.

You don't have a clue.

When has prohibition worked in your lifetime?

The stupidity about your post is that it's amazingly shortsighted.
 
How close to Escobar does he have to be? Second in command?

Fifth?
How far away from Escobar does he have to be? Just sells pot? Owns a pharmacy?


My whole point is that “exactly like Escobar” is a ridiculous comparison. Is someone who spits on a Jew “exactly the same as Hitler”? I’d say no. That doesn’t mean he isn’t still a terrible person. It doesn’t mean that the man who got caught handing off 2 pounds of cocaine doesn’t deserve jail or isn’t also a bad personality, but to find the equivalence to Escobar is silly.
 
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You don't have a clue.

When has prohibition worked in your lifetime?

The stupidity about your post is that it's amazingly shortsighted.

Ha! You know, your are about a rude as a fucking @SlyPokerDog .
With insults to boot!.

I did not say a damn word about prohibition. We don't need a law against what ever shit you want to take. Hell, we never had a law saying you can't eat arsenic, nor do we need one any more than we need a law against crack.

But now if you sell the shit, I want your ass is the slammer or deported, depending on your status.
 
How close to Escobar does he have to be? Second in command?

Fifth?
To put it another way, when one uses terms that require specificity like “exactly the same” then the details matter. When those terms are used and the details are extremely different (murdered 5000 people vs didn’t) then the statement loses all credibility and becomes ridiculous.
 
To put it another way, when one uses terms that require specificity like “exactly the same” then the details matter. When those terms are used and the details are extremely different (murdered 5000 people vs didn’t) then the statement loses all credibility and becomes ridiculous.
I think it was an overstatement but not ridiculous. One could defend holding people accountable for participating in something that kills people. I'd say a better comparison would be murder.

This guy is like a road rager that caused an accident and killed someone but not on purpose. In this comparison Escobar is Jeffrey Dahmer.
 
How far away from Escobar does he have to be? Just sells pot? Owns a pharmacy?


My whole point is that “exactly like Escobar” is a ridiculous comparison. Is someone who spits on a Jew “exactly the same as Hitler”? I’d say no. That doesn’t mean he isn’t still a terrible person. It doesn’t mean that the man who got caught handing off 2 pounds of cocaine doesn’t deserve jail or isn’t also a bad personality, but to find the equivalence to Escobar is silly.

Ah well then, you may have your distinction. Since the distinction has zero effect, all is well!:smiley-beerchug:
 
Ha! You know, your are about a rude as a fucking @SlyPokerDog .
With insults to boot!.

I did not say a damn word about prohibition. We don't need a law against what ever shit you want to take. Hell, we never had a law saying you can't eat arsenic, nor do we need one any more than we need a law against crack.

But now if you sell the shit, I want your ass is the slammer or deported, depending on your status.

There's a law it's called PCS. Possession of a Controlled Substance. That's illegal and should be decriminalized.

And I'm rude to you within forum rules because I don't really like you. :dunno:
 
In 2010, he was convicted in Cook County, Illinois, on charges related to delivering more than 2 pounds of cocaine to an undercover officer. He was sentenced to 15 years and his green card was revoked. He had served half his sentence when ICE began deportation proceedings. He had been in the agency’s custody since 2016.

Perez has said he was surprised to be in ICE detention and mistakenly believed that enlisting in the Army would automatically give him US citizenship, according to his lawyer, Chris Bergin. His retroactive application for citizenship was denied earlier this month. While there are provisions for expediting troops’ naturalization process, a main requirement is that the applicant demonstrate “good moral character,” and the drug conviction was enough to sway the decision against his application, Bergin said.

Perez enlisted in the Army in 2001, just months before 9/11. He served in Afghanistan from October 2002 to April 2003 and again from May to October 2003, according to his lawyer. He left the Army in 2004 with a general discharge after he was caught smoking marijuana on base.

Joined the service because he thought it was an easy way to become a citizen.

Endangered fellow troops by getting stoned on base.

Made his living by causing Real Americans to become addicted to cocaine. Number who died from his actions unknown.

Convicted, sentenced and imprisoned by Obama's administration.

Fuck him.

LOL, do you realize that during the height of the Vietnam war more than half our troops smoked weed? My God man, it was everywhere in Vietnam. It's not even against State law in several States. I got two security clearances after admitting smoking weed, one was from the NSA.
 
I think it was an overstatement but not ridiculous. One could defend holding people accountable for participating in something that kills people. I'd say a better comparison would be murder.

This guy is like a road rager that caused an accident and killed someone but not on purpose. In this comparison Escobar is Jeffrey Dahmer.
All good and bad may be on a continuum but that doesn’t doesn’t mean equivalency.

We have a language that’s pretty damned good at conveying what one means. Maris is no dummy, he knows very well that he is stretching claims to provoke. Well, he stretched so far that the claim became ridiculous.
 
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a law it's called PCS. Possession of a Controlled Substance. That's illegal and should be decriminalized.

I would be ok with that. Replace it with one that really hammers your door shut if you are caught selling the shit or have quantities too great for personal use.
And just like guns, caught with the shit within the drug free zone of a school.
 
All good and bad may be on a continuum but that doesn’t doesn’t mean equivalency.

We have a language that’s pretty damned good at conveying what one means. Maris is no dummy, he knows very well that he is stretching claims to provoke. Well, he stretched so far that the claim became ridiculous.

It is a matter of character type of where your judgement is rooted. You obvioulsy feel the big drug lord is way more the evil force. No comparison or a ridiculous comparison.

I can not speak for Maris, just myself and I agree with Maris' choice of words. Once you cross the line into the dealing felony activity, it is all the same, I have no need to care about scale.
 
I would be ok with that. Replace it with one that really hammers your door shut if you are caught selling the shit or have quantities too great for personal use.
And just like guns, caught with the shit within the drug free zone of a school.

These laws are already in place.
 
These laws are already in place.

Well good. Except They let them loose, to do it again. Once you cross the line do what can really harm children before they can learn to protect themselves, there is no recovery. The flaw can and will be repeated.
 

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