OT Venting about some BS

[Natebishop3]

A recruiter contacted my wife about an opening at a company, she interviewed and they made her a verbal offer last week.

She had told them beforehand that her range was 80-85k. The recruiter said they were looking for 70-75k. This was before she interviewed.

The recruiter is the one who contacted her on Monday with the verbal offer. I thought that was weird. First, why continue to go through the recruiter? I have never negotiated through a third party before. Seemed strange. Second, why a verbal offer?

So my wife says she would need to see something in writing, but she was thinking based on what she knows about the job that she would accept 85 and she would want to see their PTO and stuff.

Recruiter comes back and says it's a hard no to 85. That 80 is above their pay range to begin with. So my wife asks if they're doing any kind of signing bonuses. Last communication was Wednesday I think. We heard nothing Thursday or Friday from anyone.

Today the recruiter comes back and says they pulled the offer. We're like..... wtf? Best I can think is that they're offended that they came in above their pay range and my wife tried to counter. But I think it's bullshit that they went through the recruiter, I think it's bullshit that they never sent over a written offer, and I think it's bullshit that basically she was met with hostility for even trying to negotiate.

Fuck corporations.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

A recruiter contacted my wife about an opening at a company, she interviewed and they made her a verbal offer last week.

She had told them beforehand that her range was 80-85k. The recruiter said they were looking for 70-75k. This was before she interviewed.

The recruiter is the one who contacted her on Monday with the verbal offer. I thought that was weird. First, why continue to go through the recruiter? I have never negotiated through a third party before. Seemed strange. Second, why a verbal offer?

So my wife says she would need to see something in writing, but she was thinking based on what she knows about the job that she would accept 85 and she would want to see their PTO and stuff.

Recruiter comes back and says it's a hard no to 85. That 80 is above their pay range to begin with. So my wife asks if they're doing any kind of signing bonuses. Last communication was Wednesday I think. We heard nothing Thursday or Friday from anyone.

Today the recruiter comes back and says they pulled the offer. We're like..... wtf? Best I can think is that they're offended that they came in above their pay range and my wife tried to counter. But I think it's bullshit that they went through the recruiter, I think it's bullshit that they never sent over a written offer, and I think it's bullshit that basically she was met with hostility for even trying to negotiate.

Fuck corporations.

Or the bonus comes out of what the recruiter is being paid. Who knows what this dude is saying to the company. If I were her I would contact the company directly.

 

[Natebishop3]

Or the bonus comes out of what the recruiter is being paid. Who knows what this dude is saying to the company. If I were her I would contact the company directly.

That's what I said. The recruiter said that she inquired about a signing bonus and the hiring manager replied back that they were pulling the offer.

 

[dviss1]

You're right. Fuck corporations. I'd even go as far as to say Fuck capitalism. It's in it's last throes as we speak IMHO.

How the fuck are they gonna tell your wife how much she's worth?

Find a better spot. With as many people quitting their jobs, corporations are finding they have to bend over backward now.

Hold on for what you want. They probably did y'all a favor. You're interviewing them just as much as they are you.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That's what I said. The recruiter said that she inquired about a signing bonus and the hiring manager replied back that they were pulling the offer.

Still, I would talk to the corporation directly.

 

[andalusian]

Every job offer is a 2 way street - the individual selling their skills to the employer and the company selling it's culture and opportunity to the individual. It does not always work out and sometimes it is about the compensation. Not a bad thing to go through it, imho. It's a good thing that she got the offer and it's a good thing that she believes she is worth more and is not willing to compromise. I have been on both ends of this - and there is nothing wrong with it imho. It might be frustrating short term, but it's a good thing and if you look at it as a process, it is still a worthwhile experience.

FWIW, there is usually some kind of a miscommunication when going through recruiters, but they do provide a service and you just need to go through it. Sooner or later, something will work well.

 

[Natebishop3]

Every job offer is a 2 way street - the individual selling their skills to the employer and the company selling it's culture and opportunity to the individual. It does not always work out and sometimes it is about the compensation. Not a bad thing to go through it, imho. It's a good thing that she got the offer and it's a good thing that she believes she is worth more and is not willing to compromise. I have been on both ends of this - and there is nothing wrong with it imho. It might be frustrating short term, but it's a good thing and if you look at it as a process, it is still a worthwhile experience.

Sure but to me, negotiations are both sides working to find common ground. When one side won't even talk, that's not negotiations and they need to be clear when they make an offer (which I mean... they never even sent over anything in writing.) If I'm looking to buy a car, and I am submitting my best and final, that's what I tell them. This is my best and final. I won't go above this. I don't know why people get offended by negotiating.

 

[andalusian]

Sure but to me, negotiations are both sides working to find common ground. When one side won't even talk, that's not negotiations and they need to be clear when they make an offer (which I mean... they never even sent over anything in writing.) If I'm looking to buy a car, and I am submitting my best and final, that's what I tell them. This is my best and final. I won't go above this. I don't know why people get offended by negotiating.

That just tells you that

1. They did not sell their company to your better half, so she did the right thing and chose not to continue with them

or

2. As Sly implied, it might be a miscommunication because of the recruiter - so worth contacting them directly if she is really interested in working with them.

If she does not want to do #2 - it means they did not impress her enough and it's good to move on. If she contacts them and they still are not willing to budge - it reinforces #1. Final option, found out there is a miscommunication with the recruiter.

My only suggestion is "don't let this frustrate you". This is just a normal part of the dance and everyone needs to go through it. If it does not work out, just file it under "experience" and look forward. Life is better that way.

 

[Sedatedfork]

A recruiter contacted my wife about an opening at a company, she interviewed and they made her a verbal offer last week.

She had told them beforehand that her range was 80-85k. The recruiter said they were looking for 70-75k. This was before she interviewed.

The recruiter is the one who contacted her on Monday with the verbal offer. I thought that was weird. First, why continue to go through the recruiter? I have never negotiated through a third party before. Seemed strange. Second, why a verbal offer?

So my wife says she would need to see something in writing, but she was thinking based on what she knows about the job that she would accept 85 and she would want to see their PTO and stuff.

Recruiter comes back and says it's a hard no to 85. That 80 is above their pay range to begin with. So my wife asks if they're doing any kind of signing bonuses. Last communication was Wednesday I think. We heard nothing Thursday or Friday from anyone.

Today the recruiter comes back and says they pulled the offer. We're like..... wtf? Best I can think is that they're offended that they came in above their pay range and my wife tried to counter. But I think it's bullshit that they went through the recruiter, I think it's bullshit that they never sent over a written offer, and I think it's bullshit that basically she was met with hostility for even trying to negotiate.

Fuck corporations.

The recruiter probably makes money for filling the position. That's probably why all the communications are going through the recruiter. As for the lack of a written offer, yeah that's kind of weird. As for pulling the offer, I mean maybe it's a blessing. It sounds like it would have been a bad fit.

 

[tester551]

Sure but to me, negotiations are both sides working to find common ground. When one side won't even talk, that's not negotiations and they need to be clear when they make an offer (which I mean... they never even sent over anything in writing.) If I'm looking to buy a car, and I am submitting my best and final, that's what I tell them. This is my best and final. I won't go above this. I don't know why people get offended by negotiating.

Sometimes you are just too far apart on numbers that it's not worth negotiating. Doesn't mean anyone is offended.....

Also it could be that they had 2-3 candidates that they felt could do the job equally well. They could have done an 'informal' verbal offer to each of them to see who was most interested in the position. Based on the reaction to the informal offer - they chose who to issue a formal offer to.

 

[calvin natt]

Sure but to me, negotiations are both sides working to find common ground. When one side won't even talk, that's not negotiations and they need to be clear when they make an offer (which I mean... they never even sent over anything in writing.) If I'm looking to buy a car, and I am submitting my best and final, that's what I tell them. This is my best and final. I won't go above this. I don't know why people get offended by negotiating.

Having worked for two really big corporations, like Fortune 500 (10) size, they usually do have a set amount, a very strict salary and that’s that. Especially in the 80k range. They fill those roles all day long. VP and up roles maybe they negotiate more and have a looser range. And when she said her desired amount, they did come back and say 85 was too high but 75 was the highest amount. And I’m not surprised it was all run through the recruiter either. I’m not saying I agree with any of this, just that it sounds 100% normal and not in any way some sort of thing that she should take personally.

 

[HailBlazers]

Bad recruiter. They sent her in to the company at a lower rate or without stating her expectations. Written offers don't come until the numbers are verbally agreed upon as it can take a lot of paperwork/approvals. Recruiter gambled with your wife, sorry man that sucks.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

A recruiter contacted my wife about an opening at a company, she interviewed and they made her a verbal offer last week.

She had told them beforehand that her range was 80-85k. The recruiter said they were looking for 70-75k. This was before she interviewed.

The recruiter is the one who contacted her on Monday with the verbal offer. I thought that was weird. First, why continue to go through the recruiter? I have never negotiated through a third party before. Seemed strange. Second, why a verbal offer?

So my wife says she would need to see something in writing, but she was thinking based on what she knows about the job that she would accept 85 and she would want to see their PTO and stuff.

Recruiter comes back and says it's a hard no to 85. That 80 is above their pay range to begin with. So my wife asks if they're doing any kind of signing bonuses. Last communication was Wednesday I think. We heard nothing Thursday or Friday from anyone.

Today the recruiter comes back and says they pulled the offer. We're like..... wtf? Best I can think is that they're offended that they came in above their pay range and my wife tried to counter. But I think it's bullshit that they went through the recruiter, I think it's bullshit that they never sent over a written offer, and I think it's bullshit that basically she was met with hostility for even trying to negotiate.

Fuck corporations.

Recruiters are bottom feeders and are taking a 30% cut on the real salary from the company. There was no room to negotiate, 75k was the top they were offering, it was take it or leave it. They will find someone who will take 70k.

 

[Natebishop3]

Recruiters are bottom feeders and are taking a 30% cut on the real salary from the company. There was no room to negotiate, 75k was the top they were offering, it was take it or leave it. They will find someone who will take 70k.

They offered 80.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

They offered 80.

They found someone to take 70k. Probably thought your wife was gonna be a headache to deal with.

Run the numbers!

 

[Natebishop3]

They found someone to take 70k. Probably thought your wife was gonna be a headache to deal with.

Run the numbers!

She wanted to counter. I wasn't going to argue with her. Personally I would have just taken the 80.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

She wanted to counter. I wasn't going to argue with her. Personally I would have just taken the 80.

Which they pulled anyway. Like I said, they found someone cheaper. Strung you along

 

[Natebishop3]

Bad recruiter. They sent her in to the company at a lower rate or without stating her expectations. Written offers don't come until the numbers are verbally agreed upon as it can take a lot of paperwork/approvals. Recruiter gambled with your wife, sorry man that sucks.

I think I didn't lay this out right.

Recruiter asked her in initial call what her range was - wife said 80-85

Recruiter said that company was looking in 70-75 range but thought it would be okay.

Company called and made verbal offer of 80. Wife countered and said she thought based on what she knew of the job that 85 would be more in line with what she was thinking.

Company came back and said 80 was firm. Wife asked if there was a signing bonus. Company pulled offer.

 

[HailBlazers]

I think I didn't lay this out right.

Recruiter asked her in initial call what her range was - wife said 80-85

Recruiter said that company was looking in 70-75 range but thought it would be okay.

Company called and made verbal offer of 80. Wife countered and said she thought based on what she knew of the job that 85 would be more in line with what she was thinking.

Company came back and said 80 was firm. Wife asked if there was a signing bonus. Company pulled offer.

Recruiter should have known if a sign on was even possible or not and demanded an answer from your wife sooner. Ask me how i know.

 

[Natebishop3]

Recruiter should have known if a sign on was even possible or not and demanded an answer from your wife sooner. Ask me how i know.

The whole thing just annoyed me. I have never had to go through a third party when I have negotiated.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The whole thing just annoyed me. I have never had to go through a third party when I have negotiated.

3rd parties suck ass. My fiance got rear-ended by a FED EX truck, and they had a 3rd party do the risk managment/claim (not an insurance company) and they fucking suck.

 

[crandc]

I am retired but I could write a fucking book about job hunting experience. And another about actually getting the job.
When I first retired I thought I might take an occasional short term gig for extra money but I am so damn glad to be done with them. I still get calls from recruiters and as Nancy Reagan out it just say no.

 

[Lanny]

A recruiter contacted my wife about an opening at a company, she interviewed and they made her a verbal offer last week.

She had told them beforehand that her range was 80-85k. The recruiter said they were looking for 70-75k. This was before she interviewed.

The recruiter is the one who contacted her on Monday with the verbal offer. I thought that was weird. First, why continue to go through the recruiter? I have never negotiated through a third party before. Seemed strange. Second, why a verbal offer?

So my wife says she would need to see something in writing, but she was thinking based on what she knows about the job that she would accept 85 and she would want to see their PTO and stuff.

Recruiter comes back and says it's a hard no to 85. That 80 is above their pay range to begin with. So my wife asks if they're doing any kind of signing bonuses. Last communication was Wednesday I think. We heard nothing Thursday or Friday from anyone.

Today the recruiter comes back and says they pulled the offer. We're like..... wtf? Best I can think is that they're offended that they came in above their pay range and my wife tried to counter. But I think it's bullshit that they went through the recruiter, I think it's bullshit that they never sent over a written offer, and I think it's bullshit that basically she was met with hostility for even trying to negotiate.

Fuck corporations.

It wasn't handled at all professionally. I would have been pissed and let them know it after that grade school exchange on their part.
Best consider yourself to have dodged a bullet by not working for an outfit like that.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]