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Remember when the Patriot Act was a big deal? Guess who expanded its power...

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GLAD WE HAVE SUSAN RICE TO CLEAN THIS MESS ALL UP.
 
MARIS61 said:
Congess, just like before.
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Here I was thinking the Dems could have ended the Patriot Act when they held the House and had a filibuster-proof Senate in the first few months of Obama's presidency. Instead, they crammed through the foolish "Stimulus Act".
 
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Yeah, Verizon? Just send all of your records to the new Utah data center, to be recorded forever. Thanks.

Go Blazers
 
Run against Bush, then expand on Bush's already abusive policies. And his idiotic voters lap it up. It's amazing to me.

Is it willful ignorance? Cognitive dissonance? The words of Obama do not match the actions, yet I see posters here view Obama's obvious lies as reality, no matter what is happening.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...ontinues-extends-some-bush-terrorism-policies

President Barack Obama has continued to pursue some of the same anti-terrorism policies as the Bush administration, and, in at least one instance, expanded upon them.

In the clearest example, Obama has authorized more than 300 overseas drone strikes against suspected terrorists as president – that’s compared to an estimate of roughly 50 such strikes under President George W. Bush – even as Obama has proposed new restrictions governing the policy.

And on Wednesday, it was revealed that the Obama administration has requested wholesale collection of data from Verizon related to routine phone calls many Americans make, a continuation of the FISA program passed under the Bush administration.
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Here's another obvious lie.

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Everyone thinks the internet is freedom, but really we've just let the government into our houses and our most private conversations, thoughts, and experiences. Very sad. All these companies sold us up the river.
 
I'm still very much against the Patriot Act.

STOMP
 
PapaG said:
Scary stuff...
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You didn't oppose this stuff while we had a Republican president, and you won't once we have one again.

In contrast, I have said several times about Obama: He was elected to reverse what Bush had done illegally. Instead he just codified Bush's evil into law, making it legal.
 
I'm just curious, what is the proposed answer? I think it's a safe assumption Mitt and McCain would have done this just as much.
 
westnob said:
I'm just curious, what is the proposed answer? I think it's a safe assumption Mitt and McCain would have done this just as much.
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This is just plain stupid. Instead of addressing the problem, you deflect and say that MAYBE Mitt and McCain would have done the same.

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blazerboy30 said:
This is just plain stupid. Instead of addressing the problem, you deflect and say that MAYBE Mitt and McCain would have done the same.

:crazy:
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you're right. I don't have a machine to travel between alternate realities where they were elected to prove my opinion. And that's why I said "I think."
 
westnob said:
you're right. I don't have a machine to travel between alternate realities where they were elected to prove my opinion. And that's why I said "I think."
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It's still irrelevant. We have a current reality. What Mitt or McCain MIGHT have done is meaningless and just used as a deflection tactic.
 
blazerboy30 said:
It's still irrelevant. We have a current reality. What Mitt or McCain MIGHT have done is meaningless and just used as a deflection tactic.
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as a Senator, McCain has been fully aware of of this for the 7 years it's reportedly been going on. Despite knowing all along, I haven't heard a peep out of him decrying this...

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
as a Senator, McCain has been fully aware of of this for the 7 years it's reportedly been going on. Despite knowing all along, I haven't heard a peep out of him decrying this...

STOMP
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No, only the guy who is in charge has decried the program he has utilized. I'm wondering how much impact all of this info, and the IRS targeting, actually had on those supporting Romney being able to organize for 2012. The overall vote was down from 2008...
 
blazerboy30 said:
It's still irrelevant. We have a current reality. What Mitt or McCain MIGHT have done is meaningless and just used as a deflection tactic.
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Haha... not only is McCain admitting he's known about this, he's chastising other Senators who're claiming to be upset about this past weeks revelations. Of course he voted for the Patriot Act (2001), voted for extending the Patriot Act's wiretap provision (12/2005), voted for reauthorizing the Patriot Act (3/2006), & voted for extending the Patriot Act's roving wiretaps (2/2011).

Reality is he helped implement this/make it law, so we don't have to speculate as to whether he'd have used it

“The Republican and Democrat chairs, and ... members of the Intelligence Committee have been very well briefed on these programs,” McCain said. “We passed the Patriot Act. We passed specific provisions of the act that allowed for this program to take place, to be enacted in operation. Now, if members of Congress did not know what they were voting on, then I think that that's their responsibility a lot more than it is the government's.”
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...should-have-known-about-snooping-says-mccain/

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STOMP said:
I'm still very much against the Patriot Act.

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As is roughly 80% of America. It was "passed" against our wishes, without our consent, without our input, by our political representatives who violated their sworn duty to represent our best interests. Nearly half of the patriot act is still secret, not only unknown to all of us but also unknown to most of congress. They voted it in and later expanded on it without ever being informed exactly what was in it.

It is illegal, unenforceable, and those who would abet in it's use are traitors to our country.
 
westnob said:
I'm just curious, what is the proposed answer? I think it's a safe assumption Mitt and McCain would have done this just as much.
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Yes they would have.

Our government has been owned and operated by the 1% since before I was born and it really doesn't matter who is president, they're all just a monkey on a leash serving their master.
 
MARIS61 said:
As is roughly 80% of America. It was "passed" against our wishes, without our consent, without our input, by our political representatives who violated their sworn duty to represent our best interests. Nearly half of the patriot act is still secret, not only unknown to all of us but also unknown to most of congress. They voted it in and later expanded on it without ever being informed exactly what was in it.

It is illegal, unenforceable, and those who would abet in it's use are traitors to our country.
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the quote I just relayed from McCain begs to differ

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
the quote I just relayed from McCain begs to differ

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McCain isn't in charge. Seems to be deflecting to not deal with the guys who ARE in charge of doing these things right now.
 
Denny Crane said:
McCain isn't in charge. Seems to be deflecting to not deal with the guys who ARE in charge of doing these things right now.
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Congress makes the laws for our country which largely makes them in charge. The Executive Branch enforces/acts on these laws. As McCain is pointing out, Congress set this specific course with their actions and whats happening shouldn't be catching any Congress member paying attention by surprise... he's calling out your boy Rand for Grandstanding again

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